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It's not just another STAT. It's a milestone for a player in their careers.
Correction - it’s a milestone according to YOU, not to Bueckers. A bigger milestone for her are probably a Big East Championship and an NCAA title. Not everyone thinks a triple double is as big of achievement as other goals they are chasing.
 

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This may be a little bit of a controversial topic. Like no hitters in baseball, triple doubles in basketball are rare. They become career milestones for players. They are even rarer for guards.
Last night Paige Bueckers had a great chance to get one, but didn't play the last 13 minutes of the game.
I understand the 'self-sacrifice' mantra of UConn women's basketball that has resulted in 11 National Championships. Nobody has exemplified that more than Bueckers.
All of our HOF UConn grads could have scored more points, had more assists and rebounds but do not play much after the scores get out of hand.
However, I do believe that a player that has exemplified that philosophy like Bueckers, when given a chance to that milestone, should have been allowed to get that.

It would have been nice but I guarantee you she cares a lot less about those things than we do.
 
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I like the OP's comparison of the triple-double to the no-hitter.

The triple-double is kind of an artificial thing. Ten (points, rebounds, assists, etc.) isn't much different than nine. If someone has triple-doubles consistently like Ionescu, Alyssa Thomas, Clark, that indicates a well-rounded player. How many people know Grace Berger led the nation in triple-doubles the year after Ionescu graduated? I didn't think so (she had three, btw).

And the no-hitter is largely a matter of luck. The umpire who called Roger Clemens's first 20-strikeout game had called, I think, seven no-hitters but said Clemens's game was the best pitching performance he'd seen. Jerry Grote said the same thing when he caught Tom Seaver's 19-strikeout game in 1970. Thing is, if one guy hits the ball off the end of the bat to where nobody can get to it, there goes the no-hitter and nobody remembers anything. Same thing happens when you're going for 20 strikeouts, you still have 19 strikeouts, which has still happened fewer times than no hitters.

In Kelly Faris's senior year against, I think, Maryland, UConn looked pretty flat in the first half. Kelly turned the game around. She finished with something like 10 points, 8 rebounds, 9 assists, and 7 steals. Not a quadruple-double, but pretty close, and in my eyes, way better than 90% of the triple-doubles I've seen.
Your discussion regarding Kelly Faris is most apt for this thread. For those of you that don’t remember, Kelly had a quadruple double when she was in high school. I have to go back and check, but I’m pretty sure that another Indiana high school player had a quintuple double just a few days ago.
 
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Your discussion regarding Kelly Faris is most apt for this thread. For those of you that don’t remember, Kelly had a quadruple double when she was in high school. I have to go back and check, but I’m pretty sure that another Indiana high school player had a quintuple double just a few days ago.

You are correct. The youngest of the Reynolds bunch from Purdue.
 
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Correction - it’s a milestone according to YOU, not to Bueckers. A bigger milestone for her are probably a Big East Championship and an NCAA title. Not everyone thinks a triple double is as big of achievement as other goals they are chasing.
And Paige -- being Paige -- probably gets more of a kick watching her benchwarming teammates getting their minutes in.
 
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I have always believed that a triple double, like hitting for the cycle in baseball is only notable because of its mathematical infrequency. In basketball, what would be the better stat line 40/9/9 or 10/10/10? In baseball is it better to hit for the cycle (single, double, triple, and home run) or three home runs and a single? They are both only notable because of the uniqueness.
 

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That was the notorious Nykesha Sales incident in 1998, from which Geno learned an embarrassing lesson.
I don't think so. I think he was happy that he did it. And would have done it again. I think his only regret was the crap Sales got for it. But that was everyone else's problem. Not Sales, Bascom's or UCONN's.
 
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I can only think of one time Geno put a player on the floor in order to get her a stat line achievement, and it was in the closing moments of a blowout win in an NC game.
He started a game with Nykesha sales making a basket to set, at that time , a UConn scoring record.
 
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I had 3 impressions. One, before Paige had her ankle and knee rolled, she had been scuffling for a bunch of games. She just didn't look 100%. Two, she was a lot more aggressive offensively. Three, she seemed to be playing more of a point position than usual, with Chen and Fudd as wings. Fudd had a not-great game, but Chen being off-ball more often seemed to work for her. Her best game at UConn, I think.
 
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That was the notorious Nykesha Sales incident in 1998, from which Geno learned an embarrassing lesson.
That lesson looms a lot less important now that several players have eclipsed that mark. It would be different if it was still the UConn scoring record.
 
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Juju played 36 minutes this week in a game the other starters played 20. They are clearly leaving her on the court when other players are coming out. Why would they do such a thing? If it was me I would also want to play regardless of the score because I loved to play but the coach does need to trump the player and do what is best for the team.
Do they have a decent backup PG?

Geno can rest his starters this year because he has KK. In some previous years the offense would be a disaster without the lead PG, so he’d have to leave a starter on the floor.
 
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The Triple Double is and will always going to be huge. No matter if it is points, rebounds, assists. Or points, blocks, steals. The Triple Double is a huge accomplishment for a player. Now I disagree with leaving Paige out there so that she could get a triple double especially when you are up 30-40 points, there is no point in leaving her out there to earn whatever she needed to get that triple double. Every second on that court, she runs the risk of, well you know. If the game was a lot closer, I could see her being out there because you are trying to secure the game and you need your best player on the floor. And yes, I know something can happen at practice or during the early stages of the game or any point in the game. However, when you are in a game, up 30 plus points, it takes on a totally different meaning vs being in practice or sitting in study hall and something happens.
 
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And that game was against Villanova. Harry Peretta was the head coach and he was all for it. Nykesha had torn her Achilles tendon and her season was over.
And for you younger folks who may not remember - Geno 1st checked with Bascolm to see if she was ok with what he planned to do. Then, after Sales’ basket, he let a Villanova player get a layup. No harm, no foul!
 
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The Triple Double is and will always going to be huge. No matter if it is points, rebounds, assists. Or points, blocks, steals. The Triple Double is a huge accomplishment for a player. Now I disagree with leaving Paige out there so that she could get a triple double especially when you are up 30-40 points, there is no point in leaving her out there to earn whatever she needed to get that triple double. Every second on that court, she runs the risk of, well you know. If the game was a lot closer, I could see her being out there because you are trying to secure the game and you need your best player on the floor. And yes, I know something can happen at practice or during the early stages of the game or any point in the game. However, when you are in a game, up 30 plus points, it takes on a totally different meaning vs being in practice or sitting in study hall and something happens.
And, it was not just Paige that came out of the game; it was a hockey line change. Every single starter came out together with about 2-min left in the Third. UConn up by 38-pts at the time, 80-42, and on a big run.

Would Bueckers have been able to get another assist and two more rebounds with the second squad; probably, even likely! But, the game was out of reach already. From that point on, leaving the starters in would have been blatantly running up the score, and that just doesn’t seem to be Geno’s mantra against his conference foes.

I think he genuinely thinks of those other coaches as friends, he respects them and their programs. He wants those teams to be competitive, he wants them to succeed. He has no problem coming right out and telling the world that it bothers him that those other programs lose their best players to the transfer portal, etc. In his younger years, he certainly had no problem with adversarial relationships with other coaches. But I just don’t see it in him in modern times, particularly when it comes to the Big East.
 
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Paige getting hurt makes no sense to me. She could get hurt in the first minute against Creighton. ( God forbid). How many minute will she play against Tenn, or South Carolina? 38?
Paige injured her knee with about a minute and a half remaining in a game that was already won. She was gassed at the end of the game and I believe that caused the misstep that led to the injury. So yes, injuries can happen at any time, but exhaustion makes the odds worst. We will never see Paige in the final minutes of a game that is already won, and that is a good thing.

About the discussion concerning personal records please review Sales last 2 points of her career. Geno took so much heat over that, I betcha he'll never do that again. Live and learn, I guess.
 
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IMO, there have been several times this year that had the team been focused on having a player achieve a triple double, there were the opportunities, particularly multiple times for Paige and Sarah.

Personally, I love that Geno & CD are playing the entire bench and giving the starters lots of rest time. I think this has the potential to pay dividends on several levels come tournament time.

Beyond that, given what I expect will be a long arc of success for Paige and Sarah continuing beyond their UConn careers, I don't think NOT achieving a triple double will in any way tarnish their legacies. So far as I can tell, Taurasi, Bird & Moore never accomplished a triple double but I doubt anyone considers this a ding on their overall records.
An NC is worth a whole bunch of triple doubles, in my opinion. Talk about milestones...

A triple double is a rare oddity, as mentioned above. An NC is a lifetime achievement.
 
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And for you younger folks who may not remember - Geno 1st checked with Bascolm to see if she was ok with what he planned to do. Then, after Sales’ basket, he let a Villanova player get a layup. No harm, no foul!
All the crap was from outside the university. None of their business as it was a UConn record, not an NCAA record. It's pretty hard to break any records at UConn, as star players don't usually play a lot in the fourth if they are way ahead. There is a reason why there are not UConn players near the top of NCAA scoring records. This was an unusual circumstance, and I thought it was pretty great that Geno, Harry, and of course, Kerry signed off on it.
 
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Paige getting hurt makes no sense to me. She could get hurt in the first minute against Creighton. ( God forbid). How many minute will she play against Tenn, or South Carolina? 38?
It's not just about getting hurt. It's also about rest. Down the stretch the starters will play more and more minutes. When they can rest, the staff should give them every opportunity to do it. Also Geno rarely leaves the starters in when it's a blow out as a courtesy to the opponent. And, it gives the bench an opportunity to get valuable minutes which can also come in handy come March if the starters get in foul trouble. There's a lot of positives to taking them all out, not just Paige. If the bench is really struggling to maintain then he still has the option of putting one or two starters back in to calm the young bench players.
 

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Paige injured her knee with about a minute and a half remaining in a game that was already won. She was gassed at the end of the game and I believe that caused the misstep that led to the injury. So yes, injuries can happen at any time, but exhaustion makes the odds worst.
Yep, I did a lot of trail running, with exposed roots, knobs, and rocks. I'd take a spill probably a couple of times a year. It was never in the first couple of miles, almost always after 5 or so and heat and fatigue began to set in.
 
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Just think of all the screams of anguish had Bueckers stayed in the game and gotten hurt. I don't know if other BYers saw comments posted on other websites when she went down a few games ago. People criticizing the "old man" for leaving her in too long. Observations that UConn was ahead by a bunch and she was risking her health for no reason. And on and on.

I think that when you make it a binary question: Let her play so she MIGHT be able to achieve a minor milestone of some note or MAYBE get injured, I vote for taking her out every time.
 

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I don't believe she'll be around long enough to accomplish that milestone.
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Where’s she going? She’s 19 years old, required to play 4 years of college basketball before she is eligible for the draft, and currently making some very nice NIL money at USC.
 

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