The Timeout?

[oldude]

I've forgotten more than you'll ever know. Go away Junior.

And I’ll bet you never once made a mistake when the game was on the line in the 4th qtr.......

 

[Huskygamble19]

My biggest problem with this game was that they were passing the ball around and most of the time it was set up for CW to get the shot. she had been missing almost every time and Evina was on fire. why were they setting up CW when she was ice cold. I also would have liked to see Paige do more shooting in these circumstances. all those missed shots from CW led to them getting a substantial lead that we had to grind our way back from.

 

[BobbyJ]

And I’ll bet you never once made a mistake when the game was on the line in the 4th qtr.......

Of course I have. That’s one of the reasons why it’s not hard to recognize.

 

[oldude]

Of course I have. That’s one of the reasons why it’s not hard to recognize.

When you came up short, were there also a bunch of old guys on a fan forum second guessing you?

 

[BobbyJ]

When you came up short, were there also a bunch of old guys on a fan forum second guessing you?

No, and it wouldn’t have mattered to me anyway. Would it have bothered you?

 

[oldude]

No, and it wouldn’t have mattered to me anyway. Would it have bothered you?

Not particularly, but I never much concerned myself with people who didn’t know what they were talking about.

 

[CocoHusky]

Not particularly, but I never much concerned myself with people who didn’t know what they were talking about.

One would never be able to tell that from this thread you started and the 8 paragraphs you wrote to get this pity party started. Christyn Made a mistake, Geno make a mistake- it happens! 8 more paragraphs or attacking the people pointing that out is not going to make it go away.

 

[oldude]

One would never be able to tell that from this thread you started and the 8 paragraphs you wrote to get this pity party started. Christyn Made a mistake, Geno make a mistake- it happens! 8 more paragraphs or attacking the people pointing that out is not going to make it go away.

Not sure what your point is. But if this thread bothers you that much, please feel free to ignore it.

 

[CocoHusky]

Not sure what your point is. But if this thread bothers you that much, please feel free to ignore it.

Here you go suggesting again.

 

[Martin]

They really could have extended the game by fouling. You are down three and the team you’re playing is shooting lights out from three for crying out loud don’t let them take the shot if it goes in game over. Foul them see if they can make free throws when it really matters. Gino gift wrapped that game for Arkansas with his coaching decisions in the last 30 seconds.

 

[BobbyJ]

Not particularly, but I never much concerned myself with people who didn’t know what they were talking about.

Same here.

 

[oldude]

Here you go suggesting again.

Well, if you want to hang around that’s up to you, but I have to tell you, this cut and paste stick is getting old.

 

[CocoHusky]

Well, if you want to hang around that’s up to you, but I have to tell you, this cut and paste stick is getting old.

 

[oldude]

So this is like a thing for you. I guess if you only have the one move, you might as well stick with it.

 

[CocoHusky]

So this is like a thing for you. I guess if you only have the one move, you might as well stick with it.

 

[cbraarj]

As I commented elsewhere, Christyn was not the only UConn player on the court who could have glanced at the shot clock and called for a timeout.

This is really a moot point. The close games in the last few years they just weren't prepared for. Dating back to the Stanford game in 2014. UConn has been so dominate my question is. How much situational basketball does the team work on?

 

[oldude]

This is really a moot point. The close games in the last few years they just weren't prepared for. Dating back to the Stanford game in 2015. UConn has been so dominate my question is. How much situational basketball does the team work on?

I think it depends on the players each year. I know the Huskies work on end of game situations in practice, but there is something to be said about having faced the fire before in real games.

For instance, Arkansas has been involved in no less than 6 x two or less possession games this season prior to the UConn game. 3 of those games were against ranked teams and Arkansas was 4 & 2 overall in those games, including a win vs Baylor.

So when it came to crunch time, Arkansas had been there a lot more than UConn this season, and it showed down the stretch.

 

[MD#12Fan]

This is really a moot point. The close games in the last few years they just weren't prepared for. Dating back to the Stanford game in 2015. UConn has been so dominate my question is. How much situational basketball does the team work on?

Good teams and coaches spend the end of practice on it everyday. If you watched the HBO series, it showed the team working on situations.

 

[Alydar]

Last night I, and many other BY’ers, assumed that Christyn should have called a timeout immediately after securing a rebound with a little over 3 seconds left in the game in order for UConn to advance the ball to half court and draw up a last play to tie the game. Some have also suggested that the bench or Christyn’s teammates could have called the timeout.

At that point in the game, a timeout was certainly warranted and everyone on UConn could have called it immediately, but didn’t. Why not? Listening to Geno’s take after the game, the answer is a little more complicated.

The first question put to Geno in the postgame presser was about that play. At first he said, “It was going to be a timeout.” But he went on to say, “We talked about it in the huddle and if there was enough time it was going to be a breakaway.” If I understand what Geno was getting at it sounds like he may have overcoached the situation.

The initial thought appears to be that if Arkansas took a shot with enough time on the clock, UConn would not call timeout, but would push the ball up the court with a much better opportunity to get an open look from the arc. This makes sense. But the problem was that AR is an experienced, well coached team that was not going to take a shot until the last possible second. In fact it was so close to the shot clock expiration that the referees really couldn’t tell on the replay, and they ended up sticking with the call on the floor, that the AR player had released the shot before the shot clock expired.

That being the case, Plan B was for UConn to call timeout immediately. The problem with this two-tiered plan is that it puts enormous responsibility on the players on the court, specifically Christyn, to play tough defense, box out, secure the rebound and be aware of exactly how much time was left on the clock to be able to determine whether to push the ball up the court or immediately call timeout.

I know UConn has some really intelligent basketball players but that’s a lot to put on a player at the end of an intense game. So I for one don’t hold Christyn responsible. Geno needed to keep it simple. “Get the rebound and call timeout.”

With that said, one play doesn’t determine whether you win or lose the game, and there was no guarantee that if UConn had immediately called a timeout they would have been able to knock down a 3 to tie the game....and they still would have needed to win it in OT.

Geno is the one who should have called TO. But those officials .... If it was Neighbors' team an official would have been standing right next to him, ready to blow a whistle. Shame on Geno for not being ready.

 

[cbraarj]

Good teams and coaches spend the end of practice on it everyday. If you watched the HBO series, it showed the team working on situations.

Then how come they have stunk at it for a while now. Don't question anyone on what they watched because have watched alot of film of Genos teams and applied alot of it to my teams when I coached! When you see that caliber of a program make terrible plays at the end of games on a consistent basis. Guess what, the players weren't getting it or not getting enough practice in those situations.

 

[cbraarj]

I think it depends on the players each year. I know the Huskies work on end of game situations in practice, but there is something to be said about having faced the fire before in real games.

For instance, Arkansas has been involved in no less than 6 x two or less possession games this season prior to the UConn game. 3 of those games were against ranked teams and Arkansas was 4 & 2 overall in those games, including a win vs Baylor.

So when it came to crunch time, Arkansas had been there a lot more than UConn this season, and it showed down the stretch.

Example on how they don't get it. Stanford 2014. UConn needs a last shot so who do you have pushing it up the floor? Answer would have been Moriah and you set screens for KML and Stewie to hopefully take the last shot but it ended with Kaleena bringing it up with no last shot taken. They practice against the guys so saying it's not real game is an excuse especially for a team that supposedly goes over all the little details for everything.

 

[oldude]

Example on how they don't get it. Stanford 2014. UConn needs a last shot so who do you have pushing it up the floor? Answer would have been Moriah and you set screens for KML and Stewie to hopefully take the last shot but it ended with Kaleena bringing it up with no last shot taken. They practice against the guys so saying it's not real game is an excuse especially for a team that supposedly goes over all the little details for everything.

You point back to 2014. That was an entirely different group of players than the team that just lost to Arkansas, playing their 2nd game of the season on the road against a very good Stanford team. That UConn team only lost that one game, went on to win the National Championship and didn’t lose again the entire season thereafter and the year after that the Huskies didn’t lose until the National semifinal. In the process UConn set the all time consecutive winning record for WBB.

As for practice, it doesn’t matter if UConn practices against the Seattle Storm, there is something different about doing it during the pressure of a real game, and through the years, UConn has had precious few games that game down to the last possession, precisely because they executed their offense & defense down the stretch.

During the 2016-17 season there were at least 3 regular season games that were back and forth that could have gone either way: Baylor, ND & SC. In all 3 games, UConn’s 4th qtr execution at both ends of the court was exceptional, so they never came down to a last possession.

This year’s team may not have executed down the stretch vs Arkansas, but how about looking at the TN game. In the last minute of a one possession game, UConn used the entire shot clock passing the ball around the perimeter against TN’s zone until E fired a pass to an open Paige to knock down the 3 that put the game out of reach.

Most teams come up short during end of game situations when they are behind. UConn has had so few of them, that we as fans tend to overemphasize their significance. Consider, if you will, that the game you are focused on took place over 6 years ago.

 

[MD#12Fan]

I agree.
2 schools of thought. IMO you can argue for both.
1 way- what they did. Trust your D to get a stop and use the 4 remaining seconds to tie the game. They score, game over. We muffed that 4 seconds as has been covered ad nauseum.
2nd way- lengthen the game by fouling, sending them to the line. So we do that and they hit one of 2 FT's, now we're down 2 possessions. Gotta keep fouling, hoping for misses, and you have to convert on our end. They make their FT's it's over anyway, we miss on our end it's over anyway. A lot has to go right.
Depends on the game and who you're playing. We weren't getting many stops which to me would have made you inclined to foul and lengthen the game. Plus they had missed FT's. (Geno showed some trust in his defense. Too bad we muffed the 4 seconds we had left)

 

[cbraarj]

You point back to 2014. That was an entirely different group of players than the team that just lost to Arkansas, playing their 2nd game of the season on the road against a very good Stanford team. That UConn team only lost that one game, went on to win the National Championship and didn’t lose again the entire season thereafter and the year after that the Huskies didn’t lose until the National semifinal. In the process UConn set the all time consecutive winning record for WBB.

As for practice, it doesn’t matter if UConn practices against the Seattle Storm, there is something different about doing it during the pressure of a real game, and through the years, UConn has had precious few games that game down to the last possession, precisely because they executed their offense & defense down the stretch.

During the 2016-17 season there were at least 3 regular season games that were back and forth that could have gone either way: Baylor, ND & SC. In all 3 games, UConn’s 4th qtr execution at both ends of the court was exceptional, so they never came down to a last possession.

This year’s team may not have executed down the stretch vs Arkansas, but how about looking at the TN game. In the last minute of a one possession game, UConn used the entire shot clock passing the ball around the perimeter against TN’s zone until E fired a pass to an open Paige to knock down the 3 that put the game out of reach.

Most teams come up short during end of game situations when they are behind. UConn has had so few of them, that we as fans tend to overemphasize their significance. Consider, if you will, that the game you are focused on took place over 6 years ago.

I was talking about end of game plays. It doesn't matter who did it in 2014. Crunch time plays Stanford 2014 slowest player bringing it up the court didn't get a shot off! 2017 Chong takes it to the hoop shoots an airball from 10 feet. It's been a pattern for a while. As far as Paiges shot that was great but it was at the end of the shot clock made by UConns 2 best players ( Paige and Evina ). Paige was open and nailed it!
Here you go on one rants with a history like nobody on the boneyard doesn't know already. Which you do when you don't like someones opinion.