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Message: [QUOTE="nwhoopfan, post: 2167863, member: 7894"] Carnac, can you list the top 8 programs? I'm going to assume several of those have not won a Championship any time recently. Notre Dame must be one of those 8, correct? They haven't cut down the nets since '01. Is Tennessee in the top 8? Haven't been to a Final 4 in about a decade. Stanford? Gets to the Final 4 more often than anybody other than UConn, but no Championship since '92! Baylor? Can't even get to the Final 4 recently, last Title was in '12. Maryland? Keep losing earlier than expected and have only one Title in their history, more than 10 years ago. If you want to all but GUARANTEE yourself a Championship, the list of schools to consider is less than 8. CONTENDING gets into gray area, but if getting to a Final 4 isn't considered contending for a Championship, I don't know what is. And recent years are showing many more teams capable of getting to the last weekend of the season than the top 8, whoever those 8 might be. It kind of seems like you blow apart your own theory about having to pick a top 8 team if you really look at those teams and what they've done over however many years. [/QUOTE]