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Message: [QUOTE="Plebe, post: 2167793, member: 6927"] The statement to which I was responding was that "if a recruit wants a chance of contending for a NC, they MUST join a program that is contently [[I]sic[/I]] in the top 4 to even have a realistic chance" (I assume "contently" was a typo for "consistently"). I just gave you three examples of programs that in the past two years have either won the national championship or reached the title game even though they were most decidedly not in the top 4 at the time when their star players committed as recruits. I could have given more. Your verbiage was "a chance of contending for a national championship." If you're now moving the goalposts to "winning," then UConn's dominance skews that standard beyond usefulness. But let's look at the last three non-UConn teams to win the NC, and where they were four years before winning the title: [LIST] [*]South Carolina (2017) finished the 2013 season ranked #17/14. [*]Baylor (2012) finished the 2008 season ranked #15/15. [*]Texas A&M (2011) finished the 2007 season #14/14. [/LIST] And if we go back further to the Baylor and Maryland championship teams of 2005 and 2006, both were completely unheralded at the time when their players committed as recruits. The same can be said, I'm sure, of Notre Dame's 2001 championship team. Is that enough counterexamples? [/QUOTE]