The sheer stupidity of the coaching staff on full display

[upstater]

I agree with you 100% but you forgot to factor in P's clock mismanagement. Add 45 seconds.

LOL, I think I was being disingenuous then, because even I criticized them for snapping the ball with 12 seconds left on the clock on the interception play.

So, add 24 seconds at least.

 

[upstater]

... Or does this team ever have a game locked down this year.

They have the game locked down, but they spin the hammer around and pry the nails up.

 

[huskymedic]

They have the game locked down, but they spin the hammer around and pry the nails up.

I'm glad you remain that confident after the past 10 games. In my eyes - no game is won with this team till the clock hits 00:00 and we have at least one more point than the other team.

 

[MilliniumPrince]

Very late to the party here but as one who cuts GDL/P zero slack I liked the idea of the throw to RG. would have put the game away and gotten another TD for a very deserving player. Horrendous throw, but CW made up for it w/game-clinching pass to Phillips.

Haven't gone through the previous 4 pages here, but I was more mortified by the fact there were two handoffs when all that needed to be done was take a knee.

Those handoffs left me stunned

 

[FfldCntyFan]

You are trying to compare 2 situations that have zippo in common.

True, a second down pass with no chance of pressure on the QB (due to a feigning play action) where an incomplete is harmless vs a third a ling where an incomplete hurts us both due to forcing us to punt while also stopping the clock at a point where keeping the clock running is the best thing we could do.

People are acting as if the play call was a pass out of our own end zone on a flea flicker. It wasn't a high risk pass play. It was merely a (very) bad throw by a QB who had been throwing well at a point where even the worst possible scenario (the interception in the end zone) left the opponent two TDs behind, eighty yards from the end zone. Anyone who is being intellectually honest cannot state that there was less risk in the third and nine pass to Phillips than there was in the pass to Griffin that was intercepted in the end zone and from everything that I have read, supposedly the reason the pass that was intercepted was evidence of the stupidity of our play calling was that it was too risky a play.

Seriously, if that play call was the worst decision GDL had made since he got here, we would have won ten games last season and we might still be unbeaten this year.

 

[Nostical]

No problem with the call. Hated the fact we didn't milk the clock. The folks in my section were all saying "let the play clock run before you snap it". But no-one was hating on the passing call. I actually liked it. The problem is really this. If the call was an attempt by GDL to surprise the D, i.e.,to go against our prior tendencies in that situation, then I applaud it (notwithstanding the INT). But if it was a sheer blunder because GDL and PP did not recognize that running, draining the clock and kicking a FG would suffice, then fire them both.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

True, a second down pass with no chance of pressure on the QB (due to a feigning play action) where an incomplete is harmless vs a third a ling where an incomplete hurts us both due to forcing us to punt while also stopping the clock at a point where keeping the clock running is the best thing we could do.

People are acting as if the play call was a pass out of our own end zone on a flea flicker. It wasn't a high risk pass play. It was merely a (very) bad throw by a QB who had been throwing well at a point where even the worst possible scenario (the interception in the end zone) left the opponent two TDs behind, eighty yards from the end zone. Anyone who is being intellectually honest cannot state that there was less risk in the third and nine pass to Phillips than there was in the pass to Griffin that was intercepted in the end zone and from everything that I have read, supposedly the reason the pass that was intercepted was evidence of the stupidity of our play calling was that it was too risky a play.

Seriously, if that play call was the worst decision GDL had made since he got here, we would have won ten games last season and we might still be unbeaten this year.

I respect your opinion and usually see eye to eye with you. Just agree to disagree here.

 

[EdgewoodNHV]

This thread is the equivalent of UConn fans complaining about a blemish on Jessica Alba's inner thigh. We won an actual football game. I don't know about you, but given how this team has played so far, I'm gonna go ahead and give them a pass on this one.

 

[Palatine]

Very late to the party here but as one who cuts GDL/P zero slack I liked the idea of the throw to RG. would have put the game away and gotten another TD for a very deserving player. Horrendous throw, but CW made up for it w/game-clinching pass to Phillips.

Haven't gone through the previous 4 pages here, but I was more mortified by the fact there were two handoffs when all that needed to be done was take a knee.

This is a very bad misreading of the game situation. A FG puts the game away with virtually no risk.

If putting the game away was the goal. The pass was the worse possible route to get there.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

This is a very bad misreading of the game situation. A FG puts the game away with virtually no risk.

If putting the game away was the goal. The pass was the worse possible route to get there.

Aren't you the guy who a few minutes ago in another thread was lamenting the impact a missed FG had on one of ND's recent opponents?

 

[cohenzone]

Because of the time clock. A 2 or 3 score lead with 3:20 to go is much more secure than a 7 point lead with 2:30 to go. You don't convert there and Pitt gets the ball with a chance to tie.

I really don't understand why this is so difficult.

Utterly disagree, but that's the fun of hindsight. The pass that was completed to ice the game was on the surface far riskier than the intercepted pass and if incomplete would have stopped the clock when a run would have kept the clock going, and, absent a fumble, would at least have resulted in a punt putting Pitt with a long field, and no TOs. We won the damn game is the bottom line and our maligned (fairly) OC finally does the unexpected, the play was perfect but the QB makes a horrendous throw, and GDL gets chopped up by some of you. The third quarter is what he should get chopped up for.

 

[upstater]

Utterly disagree, but that's the fun of hindsight. The pass that was completed to ice the game was on the surface far riskier than the intercepted pass and if incomplete would have stopped the clock when a run would have kept the clock going, and, absent a fumble, would at least have resulted in a punt putting Pitt with a long field, and no TOs. We won the damn game is the bottom line and our maligned (fairly) OC finally does the unexpected, the play was perfect but the QB makes a horrendous throw, and GDL gets chopped up by some of you. The third quarter is what he should get chopped up for.

What do you disagree with? I really don't get it. Was it a riskier throw? No question. I wasn't even arguing that.

But how can you possibly disagree that it's better to be up 3 scores with 3:20 remaining than 1 score with 2:3o remaining?

 

[huskymedic]

This thread is the equivalent of UConn fans complaining about a blemish on Jessica Alba's inner thigh. We won an actual football game. I don't know about you, but given how this team has played so far, I'm gonna go ahead and give them a pass on this one.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

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I though he said 'inner thigh'.

 

[cohenzone]

What do you disagree with? I really don't get it. Was it a riskier throw? No question. I wasn't even arguing that.

But how can you possibly disagree that it's better to be up 3 scores with 3:20 remaining than 1 score with 2:3o remaining?

Did I disagree that being up 3 scores is better? Um, no. I disagree that it was a bad call. Caught Pitt totally by surprise, Griffin was as wide open as the Texas prairie, and the bad luck on a bad throw was that the interceptor was way out of position. Tell me how you are sure that if we run a) we don't fumble or b) we definitely make the FG? That pass if done right was an easy score. With the clock running down, and the fact that it had become a 1 score game, that last pass was a far worse decision that turned out okay. The tale of 2 passes.

We won, and if nothing else, I hope that the intercepted pass makes us harder for future opponents to predict and does not shove GDL totally into his overly-conservative ways. BTW, if we we have such a good D, being up 2 scores with just under 5 shouldn't be that big a problem, should it. And again, yes, 3 scores probably eliminates any issue. A touchdown is a score last I knew.

 

[upstater]

Did I disagree that being up 3 scores is better? Um, no. I disagree that it was a bad call. Caught Pitt totally by surprise, Griffin was as wide open as the Texas prairie, and the bad luck on a bad throw was that the interceptor was way out of position. Tell me how you are sure that if we run a) we don't fumble or b) we definitely make the FG? That pass if done right was an easy score. With the clock running down, and the fact that it had become a 1 score game, that last pass was a far worse decision that turned out okay. The tale of 2 passes.

We won, and if nothing else, I hope that the intercepted pass makes us harder for future opponents to predict and does not shove GDL totally into his overly-conservative ways. BTW, if we we have such a good D, being up 2 scores with just under 5 shouldn't be that big a problem, should it. And again, yes, 3 scores probably eliminates any issue. A touchdown is a score last I knew.

The fact we were up 2 scores and had a 90% chance for 3 scores has everything to do with the horridness of that call. That's the whole point we're making. The fact it caught Pitt by surprise is totally irrelevant. It caught Pitt by surprise because their coaching staff was shocked that anyone would attempt something that stupid.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

The fact we were up 2 scores and had a 90% chance for 3 scores has everything to do with the horridness of that call. That's the whole point we're making. The fact it caught Pitt by surprise is totally irrelevant. It caught Pitt by surprise because their coaching staff was shocked that anyone would attempt something that stupid.

Pretty much sums it up.

 

[Waquoit]

The fact we were up 2 scores and had a 90% chance for 3 scores has everything to do with the horridness of that call. That's the whole point we're making. The fact it caught Pitt by surprise is totally irrelevant. It caught Pitt by surprise because their coaching staff was shocked that anyone would attempt something that stupid.

Right, it was unnecessary risk. Stupid. It's the kind of call that fails to see the big picture.

 

[cohenzone]

Right, it was unnecessary risk. Stupid. It's the kind of call that fails to see the big picture.

So is your take on the 3rd down pass on our last drive was a smart risk? If you didn't like the first call, you certainly can't like the second one.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

So is your take on the 3rd down pass on our last drive was a smart risk? If you didn't like the first call, you certainly can't like the second one.

Huh? The last call was not an unnecessary risk. You run there you punt the ball to Pitt who has a chance to tie the game. There are more similarities in peanut butter and Clorox than there are in those two scenarios. I really have a hard believing that people can't see this.

 

[cohenzone]

Huh? The last call was not an unnecessary risk. You run there you punt the ball to Pitt who has a chance to tie the game. There are more similarities in peanut butter and Clorox than there are in those two scenarios. I really have a hard believing that people can't see this.

Hmm, the clock is running down, we use a play that could save Pitt 45 seconds and the pass was pretty well defended. Is 3 scores ahead better than 2, yes. Is getting a first down better than not, yes, but is stopping the clock a good alternative.? Me thinks you would have been woofing at that last pass if it had been incomplete and turned the ball over to Pitt. Why anyone can't see that is beyond me.

 

[Waquoit]

So is your take on the 3rd down pass on our last drive was a smart risk? If you didn't like the first call, you certainly can't like the second one.

If you did the 1st, you wouldn't have put yourself in the position of needing the second.

But this is a false comparison. In the first case, you take more time off the clock with less risk and still make it a 3 score game by running. You actually do better by running.

For the second call, of course you try for the 1st down. If you succeed, it's game over (unless you hand off twice before taking a knee). The other team gets the ball next play whether you punt or throw a pick.

 

[cohenzone]

If you did the 1st, you wouldn't have put yourself in the position of needing the second.

But this is a false comparison. In the first case, you take more time off the clock with less risk and still make it a 3 score game by running. You actually do better by running.

For the second call, of course you try for the 1st down. If you succeed, it's game over (unless you hand off twice before taking a knee). The other team gets the ball next play whether you punt or throw a pick.

You really think that this board would have said great call if the pass was incomplete and gave Pitt an extra 45 seconds? Easy to say not after the fact.

 

[Dougsts]

You really think that this board would have said great call if the pass was incomplete and gave Pitt an extra 45 seconds? Easy to say not after the fact.

I am finding that my play calling has been running about a 99% success rate the day after the game.

 

[Waquoit]

You really think that this board would have said great call if the pass was incomplete and gave Pitt an extra 45 seconds? Easy to say not after the fact.

I don't care what this board says. The 2nd pass was the right call, the 1st pass wasn't; which was the answer to your question.

 

[upstater]

So is your take on the 3rd down pass on our last drive was a smart risk? If you didn't like the first call, you certainly can't like the second one.

What is it that we're saying that isn't getting through?

In one instance, UConn is up by 2 scores and has an excellent chance at 3.

In the other, UConn is only up by 1 score.

This means it is entirely reasonable to like the second call but not the first.

 

[cohenzone]

What is it that we're saying that isn't getting through?

In one instance, UConn is up by 2 scores and has an excellent chance at 3.

In the other, UConn is only up by 1 score.

This means it is entirely reasonable to like the second call but not the first.

And vice versa. What is not getting through to you is that if that 2nd pass is incomplete (forget intercepted) and Uconn punts to even inside the 20 somewhere, but Pitt has an extra 45 seconds and scores to tie, you can tell me with a straight key board that that pass would not have been ripped on this board?

 

[Sean]

Wow - this thread helps me understand how PP and GDL can make mistakes that even the average fan wouldn't make - because apparently some average fans really would make the same mistakes.

Yikes.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

I don't care what this board says. The 2nd pass was the right call, the 1st pass wasn't; which was the answer to your question.

 

[upstater]

And vice versa. What is not getting through to you is that if that 2nd pass is incomplete (forget intercepted) and Uconn punts to even inside the 20 somewhere, but Pitt has an extra 45 seconds and scores to tie, you can tell me with a straight key board that that pass would not have been ripped on this board?

I don't think it would be ripped, but nor is it relevant. The only thing that matters is good football decision-making.

Up 2 or 3 scores with 3:20 left makes the first throw horrible.
Up 1 score with 2:30 remaining makes the second throw a good one.