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LOL, poor Geno can’t win no matter what he does
You play the hand you were dealt. Jana is a year away, Paige, Azzi and Aubrey have been diminished by injury. Ash has a confidence issue in big games, the rest are freshman or sophmores. All that said, there still is a path to the FF, albeit solely dependent on the draw/pairing as we would beat USC or TN if played again. The outliers are ND,SC,UCLA and LSU and anyone can have a key injury or bad game in the tournament. That's why they play the games...
 

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The best rim protector on UConn is probably Strong at this point. She has over double the blocks of Jana in less than double the minutes.
LOL, poor Geno can’t win no matter what he does

Dawn has been just as stingy about playing her SCar superbigs to her detriment too.
In SCar's game against Texas, Vic didn't hesitate to take advantange of it.
6"6" Oldacre took control of the game to put Texas over the top at the end.
The Texas superbigs combined scored a bunch of points.

I recently posted a comparison of Jana's stats to ND's Kate Koval and on paper they have surpisingly similar stats.
Some of Jana's stats were actually better than Koval's but that doesn't stop ND from playing Koval.
That's why I was kind of disappointed that Jana only played 11 minutes against Tenn while Sarah played 38.
That didn't work out very well for UConn which only goes to show that UConn has nothing to lose by playing Jana more and probably cannot win without her playing more in March.
 

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Dawn has been just as stingy about playing her SCar superbigs to her detriment too.
In SCar's game against Texas, Vic didn't hesitate to take advantange of it.
6"6" Oldacre took control of the game to put Texas over the top at the end.
The Texas superbigs combined scored a bunch of points.

I recently posted a comparison of Jana's stats to ND's Kate Koval and on paper they have surpisingly similar stats.
Some of Jana's stats were actually better than Koval's but that doesn't stop ND from playing Koval.
That's why I was kind of disappointed that Jana only played 11 minutes against Tenn while Sarah played 38.
That didn't work out very well for UConn which only goes to show that UConn has nothing to lose by playing Jana more and probably cannot win without her playing more in March.
I understand what you’re saying but those are averages. In a standalone game, if Geno thinks that a player isn’t giving the team what it needs, he’ll try another player. He can’t choose lineups or determine playing time based on stats.
 

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I understand what you’re saying but those are averages. In a standalone game, if Geno thinks that a player isn’t giving the team what it needs, he’ll try another player. He can’t choose lineups or determine playing time based on stats.
Playing Jana is the only way to neutralize the superbigs of our potential opponents.
I didn't even mention Betts or any of the other superbigs that potential opponents have sitting unused on their bench.
Opposing coaches watch these games and analyze our weaknesses.
You can see some of SCar's weaknesses that led to their slipping in the polls.
If a team is able to play 2 superbigs at a time then beware of them.
 

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yet teams who do not neutralize "superbigs" somehow manage to win at times. it's amazing. dare i say magic ... or the winner's combo of great guards, forwards, coaching -- and gumption.
 

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yet teams who do not neutralize "superbigs" somehow manage to win at times. it's amazing. dare i say magic ... or the winner's combo of great guards, forwards, coaching -- and gumption.

For sure that's true.
But look at the 2 teams that beat SCar, both had superbigs, as does ND.
Meanwhile, after all is said and done UConn stumbled against Tenn.
It would seem that a team without a superbig has less of a margin for errors in order to achieve victory against those elite teams that do have a superbig.
It may not be the only factor but it's still a "relatively" important factor.
 

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It's not ideal to play at a height disadvantage, but it is much more problematic to play at a skill disadvantage, which is what the heavy use of Jana would produce.
That was a very thorough post, and made the argument I have made since game 3.

Even if our opponent is 6'7" Lauren Betts, I would rather guard her with athletic and quick Aubrey and Sarah, rather than tall and slow Jana (and Ice). Defensive skill is more important than height.

The old frontcourt of Gabi and Phees comes to mind here. Short on height, but tall on skill.

I have long term faith in Jana and Ice, my concern only for this year.

Jana: Easy to forget her injury was an achilles! She really ran better v St Johns than any game so far. She appears also very coachable and she improves game to game.

I also agree that Sarah w/KK&Chen is a wash with Edwards/Muhl. The current team gives better offense, but worse defense. What's sorely missed from Edwards/Muhl is leadership, experience, rebounding, defense and toughness. They were two of my favorite UConn players!

Sarah's defense gets better every game and soph KK has been a revelation, so some of this gap is closing rapidly.

Geno gets to make the real call here, so I'm curious to see how many minutes he gives Jana v SC. The Feagin, Kitts, Dauda, Edwards group are quick, but not intimidating. Aubrey and Sarah actually match up well with this group.
 
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At what height does a tall player become a "superbig?"

And does "super" refer simply to height, or does it imply they're also really good players? For example, would Amara DeBerry be considered a "superbig?"

How good does Jana need to be to earn that moniker?

And when the heck did that term creep into common usage? I'd be just as happy if it would just as quickly disappear...:rolleyes:
 

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I've noticed how well that Jana has been effectively battling & bruising with the opposing players in the paint which helps to keep them off balance & out of position to be as much of a scoring threat.
I do not see Sarah doing that nearly as much or as effectively in the paint.
SCar attacks the lane a lot & whoever plays center will most likely committ some fouls.
So UConn will need extra bodies to absorb fouls.
Does UConn want to put Sarah at risk of getting 2 quick fouls and needing to sit down for much of the first half?
I don't see Aubrey as being able to bang in the paint as effectively as Jana either.
Clearly, Geno has been starting Jana to get her more comfortable to meet the challange of playing center.
She seems to be able to battle fiercely at times for rebounds and when trying to score.

Last year UConn was very dependent on Edwards for much of it scoring. Perhaps too much. And then look what happend when Edwards got 2 early fouls such as in the Iowa game IIRC.
 
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I'm curious to see how many minutes he gives Jana v SC. The Feagin, Kitts, Dauda, Edwards group are quick, but not intimidating. Aubrey and Sarah actually match up well with this group.
I agree with your entire post except the assessment of the quickness of SC’s front court. Feagin and Edward’s have excellent quickness for bigs and run the court well. They’re also both strong and effective shot blockers. Dauda is not particularly quick, but doesn’t get a lot of minutes off the bench so it may not matter. Kitts is not noticeably quick or strong. But she has excellent post moves and is a crafty scorer and passer, a bit reminiscent of Caroline in her offense. Jana can stay with Dauda and probably Feagin in terms of quickness and definitely in terms of strength. But Feagin has a lot more experience and is not “figuring out her role” like Jana still is.
 
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Now we're getting to the heart of the matter. Both of you (and many on the Boneyard) want Geno to "settle" for Jana, whatever her level of development, seemingly just because she is 6-5. This is because you believe that her size (again, with little attention to her level of play) will be needed against the big teams that UConn will supposedly face in March and April.

Do you remember the Texas game about a year ago? Geno, apparently against his better judgment, started Ice and Aaliyah in that game to counter Texas's size, and it didn't work at all, because Ice at that time was just not up to the challenge. By the fourth quarter, he took Ice out and played four guards with Aaliyah (with Paige as the de facto "4") and they did much better, causing as many problems for Texas defenders as the Texas bigs posed to UConn when the Longhorns were on offense. After that game, "Aaliyah+4" became the starting lineup for the rest of last season, and Ice came off the bench to back up Aaliyah.

Now both of you, along with @Rowdy831 , are adopting the view that "Sarah+4" is an untenable lineup in the NCAA tournament, because of opponents' presumed size. But isn't this disproven by the fact that "Aaliyah+4" was in fact UConn's lineup in last year's NCAA tournament, and that lineup got with in one basket and one referee's call of the NCAA Finals?

@oldude , whom I usually agree with, says that Aaliyah could match up with opposing star centers, but Sarah can't. I would love to see a statistical comparison of senior Aaliyah vs. freshman Sarah, and I bet that Sarah would look better in that comparison than many here think. I don't think we know what Sarah can or can't handle, but her performance against Tennessee showed that she was quite able to deal with their size (which isn't all that great, nor is South Carolina's). But the question is whether she would do better than Jana against those opponents, and everything we have seen of Jana recently suggests that Sarah would do better. Neither of them is probably going to stop Lauren Betts, but who would do better against her? I think Sarah would.

That's why we are not seeing major minutes for Jana against Big East opponents. Geno has already decided, or is on the verge of deciding, that she isn't going to be UConn's starting center in the NCAA tournament, and he is trying to give major minutes to the Sarah+4 configuration that he expects to take into that tournament, for as far as it will go. I think his judgment about this is correct.

It is not true by definition that taller always wins in basketball. I'm old enough to remember the 1970's Celtics who had 6-9 Dave Cowens as their center, going against Kareem and the other enormous centers of that era, and doing so with reasonable success. The Celtics kept 7-1 Henry Finkel on the bench as Cowens's backup, which is where he belonged because of his limited skill.

In more recent times, what about 6-9 Adama Sanogo being very successful against 7-0 Kalkbrenner and other centers of similar size on the men's side?

And I remember an NCAA game in Stef Dolson era when Geno had to take Stef out in the fourth quarter against a Georgetown team that was very fast but had no one taller than 6-1, and UConn came from behind to win the game with some fast play by 5-4 Laurin Dixon.

It's not ideal to play at a height disadvantage, but it is much more problematic to play at a skill disadvantage, which is what the heavy use of Jana would produce.
To confirm the comment about " not true that taller always win in Basketball".
Check the stats of the UCLA vs USC game last night. Betts did well (not great), and in case you missed it USC "closed it out" for the "W". No more undefeated UCLA!
 
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I understand what you’re saying but those are averages. In a standalone game, if Geno thinks that a player isn’t giving the team what it needs, he’ll try another player. He can’t choose lineups or determine playing time based on stats.
Wish that were 100% accurate. Off what I'm seeing this year with a certain player who shall remain nameless, it has not been. Post-game box scores of the losses suggest otherwise.
 
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