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alternative title- "why the aac is not a power conference"

reassuring to read that while the P5 wants to create a 4th division and separate FBS football from the NCAA, they also agree it's "essential" to keep all current DI schools in the same men's basketball tournament.

so while not being able to compete with the P5 would hurt the other BE sports, at least the D1 bball landscape wouldnt change. i'm assuming that would apply for women's bball as well.
 
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Two of the standard criteria are questionable at best. OK--use KenPom. But then you go by "earning seeding." The AACs are always going to get seeded worse, many times with little respect to overall record. And then you look at number of tourney wins. Well, if your seeding is really good, your first game i against Hampton. You should win that one.

Might make more sense to simply eliminate the second criteria and to then look at total wins after the round of 64, or even the round of 32.

Or why not look at conference strength head-to-head?
 
upstater said:
But then you go by "earning seeding." The AACs are always going to get seeded worse, many times with little respect to overall record. And then you look at number of tourney wins. Well, if your seeding is really good, your first game i against Hampton.
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perception is reality and the aac is perceived as a dumpster fire behind a Bojangles
 
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Palatine said:
Perhpas but the AAC beat UConn like a drum. We owe them some respect.
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as if the conference ever gave us any respect... we really dont owe them anything but scorn. the program was in shambles compared to where we came from and where we are now. we wouldnt have done much better in the A10
 
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Palatine said:
Perhpas but the AAC beat UConn like a drum. We owe them some respect.
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They did a great job tearing down our athletic department, I give them that. They were even screwing up women's hoop. Look how both hoop teams are thriving after just a year away.
 
bendm said:
as if the conference ever gave us any respect... we really dont owe them anything but scorn. the program was in shambles compared to where we came from and where we are now. we wouldnt have done much better in the A10
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2014 aside, did we earn any respect on a consistent basis? I agree, we don't owe them anything, just as they don't owe us.
 
Palatine said:
Perhpas but the AAC beat UConn like a drum. We owe them some respect.
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It's true because even though we had great teams all those AAC years and dominated everyone outside the conference, those in conference teams still beat us
 
bendm said:
perception is reality and the aac is perceived as a dumpster fire behind a Bojangles
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I agree with you. That’s why I call the NBE a legacy league. Only 1 ( hopefully now 2) real major team but voters etc assume it is the same league that won National Championships in 1999, 2003, 2004, 2011, 2013. It isn’t. Not even on the same planet.
 
Palatine said:
Perhpas but the AAC beat UConn like a drum. We owe them some respect.
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And yet UConn is the only school to do anything of note in March with a championship in 2014. Did any other AAC team even make the sweet 16?

Plus, UConn did take the AACT in 2016, which was during their darker times (2015-2019)...
 
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freescooter said:
I agree with you. That’s why I call the NBE a legacy league. Only 1 ( hopefully now 2) real major team but voters etc assume it is the same league that won National Championships in 1999, 2003, 2004, 2011, 2013. It isn’t. Not even on the same planet.
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being the legacy to the best college bball conference ever is a good thing. only 2 of those 5 chips werent ours and Nova has won 2 of their own since then.
 
Right. Villanova is the only other serious program. They deserve credit. Yet they are less well known than Gonzaga.
 
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freescooter said:
Right. Villanova is the only other serious program. They deserve credit. Yet they are less well known than Gonzaga.
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So....a program in a top conference, that is in the middle of the Northeast megalopolis of over 50 million people, one with 3 national championships, 2 of them being in the last 4 years, is less well known than a program in eastern Washington state on the Idaho border, 300 miles from a major city, in a mid-major conference, with no national championships and 1 Final Four?

Do you do this stuff just to get a rise out of people? If not then I wonder what is wrong with you. :confused:
 
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UCSouth said:
2014 aside, did we earn any respect on a consistent basis? I agree, we don't owe them anything, just as they don't owe us.
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Ignoring the natty we won in a league that has won 0 nattys without us seems kind of dumb idk
 
CallMeBruce said:
Ignoring the natty we won in a league that has won 0 nattys without us seems kind of dumb idk
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Do you not understand what 2014 aside was implying? It was acknowledging the National Championship. The rest of the years in that conference, we didn't do enough to earn respect. But we know what opinions are worth on the BY.
 
UCSouth said:
Do you not understand what 2014 aside was implying? It was acknowledging the National Championship. The rest of the years in that conference, we didn't do enough to earn respect. But we know what opinions are worth on the BY.
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It wasn't "implying" anything. It was expressly stating that, if we ignore the year we won the national championship while in the AAC, we didn't do anything of import while in the AAC. While technically true, it is not particularly interesting information, because we did win a title while in the AAC, and our tenure in the AAC included 7 of the total 17 NCAA tournament wins.
 
CallMeBruce said:
It wasn't "implying" anything. It was expressly stating that, if we ignore the year we won the national championship while in the AAC, we didn't do anything of import while in the AAC. While technically true, it is not particularly interesting information, because we did win a title while in the AAC, and our tenure in the AAC included 7 of the total 17 NCAA tournament wins.
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Good thing I'm not here to keep you supplied with interesting information.
 
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freescooter said:
Right. Villanova is the only other serious program. They deserve credit. Yet they are less well known than Gonzaga.
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I respectfully disagree about your take on the Big East and Villanova. Nova has THREE titles. Zags have competed for one. Villanova is very well known.

Louisville, Notre Dame, Pitt, and Syracuse 100% cannot be replaced. I'm not even putting Boston College into the conversation for this.

So me being a realist AND optimist I say this.

UConn = UConn
St. Johns = St. Johns
Seton Hall = Seton Hall
Providence = Providence
Depaul = Depaul
Marquette = Marquette
Georgetown = Georgetown
Villanova = Villanova

Those eight programs are now all back together in the Big East with us rejoining.

Now to the teams we've upgraded from.

Xavier > Cincy. (Especially this last decade + We'll see how they end up after Mack but I expect them to be fine).
Creighton > Rutgers. (Not even a discussion).
Butler > South Florida (Again, not even a discussion).

So while we don't have 5-6 title contending programs every season, we will have 2-3. We will also have an additional 2-3 that are capable of making good runs in the NCAA Tournament.

The Big East's worst team last season was Depaul who was .500 overall. (Georgetown was 15-17 but they would have been better without the issues).

Depaul was 16-16 but 15 of those losses came in the Big East.
Georgetown even with the issues was 15-17 with 13 losses come in the Big East.
St. Johns was 17-15 with 13 losses coming in the Big East.
Xavier was 19-13 with 10 losses coming in the Big East.
Marquette was 18-12 with 10 losses coming in the Big East.

So the bottom half of the conference took care of business OOC. Suffering no more than 1-4 losses OOC and doing what they needed to do to prop up the top half.

I know things change season to season, but the programs in the "NBE" as people like to call it, are all stepping up and getting better. There is also the potential of adding a 12th program. Which I am sure will also be quality or have the potential to be quality.

So while I personally wish none of this realignment crap had ever happened, it's not all doom and gloom. I am perfectly happy exactly where we are now. I would love to play Syracuse, Pitt, Notre Dame, and Louisville OOC when we can (Syracuse and Pitt every season if possible), but outside of that, this is a very good conference that will compete at the highest level every single season.

We will get 4-6 teams in the NCAA Tournament every year and that number could very easily be 7 some seasons.
 
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UCSouth said:
What do testicles have to do with anything I said?
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Why do we have to play dumb? We didn’t suck in the AAC for any reason other than bad coaching. It was quite obvious the second Dan Hurley walked through the door that we were competitive again.
 
Mike9904111 said:
I respectfully disagree about your take on the Big East and Villanova. Nova has THREE titles. Zags have competed for one. Villanova is very well known.

Louisville, Notre Dame, Pitt, and Syracuse 100% cannot be replaced. I'm not even putting Boston College into the conversation for this.

So me being a realist AND optimist I say this.

UConn = UConn
St. Johns = St. Johns
Seton Hall = Seton Hall
Providence = Providence
Depaul = Depaul
Marquette = Marquette
Georgetown = Georgetown
Villanova = Villanova

Those eight programs are now all back together in the Big East with us rejoining.

Now to the teams we've upgraded from.

Xavier > Cincy. (Especially this last decade + We'll see how they end up after Mack but I expect them to be fine).
Creighton > Rutgers. (Not even a discussion).
Butler > South Florida (Again, not even a discussion).

So while we don't have 5-6 title contending programs every season, we will have 2-3. We will also have an additional 2-3 that are capable of making good runs in the NCAA Tournament.

The Big East's worst team last season was Depaul who was .500 overall. (Georgetown was 15-17 but they would have been better without the issues).

Depaul was 16-16 but 15 of those losses came in the Big East.
Georgetown even with the issues was 15-17 with 13 losses come in the Big East.
St. Johns was 17-15 with 13 losses coming in the Big East.
Xavier was 19-13 with 10 losses coming in the Big East.
Marquette was 18-12 with 10 losses coming in the Big East.

So the bottom half of the conference took care of business OOC. Suffering no more than 1-4 losses OOC and doing what they needed to do to prop up the top half.

I know things change season to season, but the programs in the "NBE" as people like to call it, are all stepping up and getting better. There is also the potential of adding a 12th program. Which I am sure will also be quality or have the potential to be quality.

So while I personally wish none of this realignment crap had ever happened, it's not all doom and gloom. I am perfectly happy exactly where we are now. I would love to play Syracuse, Pitt, Notre Dame, and Louisville OOC when we can (Syracuse and Pitt every season if possible), but outside of that, this is a very good conference that will compete at the highest level every single season.

We will get 4-6 teams in the NCAA Tournament every year and that number could very easily be 7 some seasons.
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Only three of those programs have mattered for any stretch in the last 30 years, the others have a new lease on life as the NBE is still 3 shades lighter than the OBE or the expanded BE of the 2000's. When WV and CIncy or Miami () leaving gives your program a chance to crack the top half of the conference, you don't get to claim some sort of legacy. All these schools passed ahead of the STJ/SH/PC's of the world in the EBE. Marquette (without D Wade) and Depaul (ever) get a shot at the NCAA. That alone says volumes.

As for XCB, they earned their chances to play in a better league. We'll see how they do long term.
 
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