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whaler11 said:
Beating the MAC is better than beating the CAA - but we are in the AAC and neither is acceptable.

My lord. How low have y'alls standards gotten that competing with FCS teams is acceptable.
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We used to recruit kids with offers from our peers- Rutgers, Pitt, Cuse, BC, etc.

Now our peers are freaking Tulane and ECU and we are routinely getting out-recruited. Houston and Temple... TEMPLE... are running circles around us.

And we are supposed to do a dance every time we beat Fordham out?!

It's over.
 
I'm curious as to who it was we beat out when we landed Rugg, Samra and Schaffenaker.
 
whaler11 said:
Beating the MAC is better than beating the CAA - but we are in the AAC and neither is acceptable.

My lord. How low have y'alls standards gotten that competing with FCS teams is acceptable.
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Dude you're not going to convince people on here that there's a problem with the talent we're recruiting. They think since Edsall did it (he recruited higher rated classes) that a coach who everyone admits can't tell the difference between his a sshole and his earhole could do it. What sense does that make? The results of our poor talent level and awful coaching are literally on display each week.
We have the worst coaching staff and the worst recruiting class each year in the AAC yet some fans expect our players to compete with teams with better coaching and better talent?
You can find a few hidden gems here and there for sure yet it's crystal clear that the other AAC schools find a ton more gems hidden or in plain sight.
 
Edsall showed a consistent ability to find diamonds in the rough and coach them up. So far Diaco hasn't shown an ability to do either.

Offers matter. Sure its possible to find under the radar players and turn them into good players. But its not like any 6'6 300 pounder and be coached into a FBS lineman.
 
CTMike said:
We used to recruit kids with offers from our peers- Rutgers, Pitt, Cuse, BC, etc.

Now our peers are freaking Tulane and ECU and we are routinely getting out-recruited. Houston and Temple... TEMPLE... are running circles around us.

And we are supposed to do a dance every time we beat Fordham out?!

It's over.
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We have such a great coaching staff we can just coach em up right?
 
kemba said:
Edsall showed a consistent ability to find diamonds in the rough and coach them up. So far Diaco hasn't shown an ability to do either.

Offers matter. Sure its possible to find under the radar players and turn them into good players. But its not like any 6'6 300 pounder and be coached into a FBS lineman.
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Thats been on display here for quite a while, for some reason people still hold onto hope.
 
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whaler11 said:
Beating the MAC is better than beating the CAA - but we are in the AAC and neither is acceptable.

My lord. How low have y'alls standards gotten that competing with FCS teams is acceptable.
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Do you not think I want to be competing with P5 regional schools for recruits? Do you think I'm doing backflips because beating BGSU and Toledo is my ideal? That's patently false.

MAC-quality kids are objectively better than CAA-quality kids. It is not ideal at all to be trotting them out on the field at this level, but it is considerably better than the alternative, which we have been witnessing on the OL the past few years.

It's a commentary on the state our recruiting is in, but the Tunstall kid has a better offer list than every OL on the roster not named Cam DeGeorge. He should be measurably better than most of the people in his unit. If you don't think that will lead quality of play to improve, I don't know what to tell you.
 
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FartMan69 said:
Dude you're not going to convince people on here that there's a problem with the talent we're recruiting. They think since Edsall did it (he recruited higher rated classes) that a coach who everyone admits can't tell the difference between his a sshole and his earhole could do it. What sense does that make? The results of our poor talent level and awful coaching are literally on display each week.
We have the worst coaching staff and the worst recruiting class each year in the AAC yet some fans expect our players to compete with teams with better coaching and better talent?
You can find a few hidden gems here and there for sure yet it's crystal clear that the other AAC schools find a ton more gems hidden or in plain sight.
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What do you want us to do, talk the kids who commit to the best program that offers them? Honest question, would you prefer they told our coaches "Thanks but not thanks, I'm not good enough for you"?
 
Stairmaster said:
Do you not think I want to be competing with P5 regional schools for recruits? Do you think I'm doing backflips because beating BGSU and Toledo is my ideal? That's patently false.

MAC-quality kids are objectively better than CAA-quality kids. It is not ideal at all to be trotting them out on the field at this level, but it is measurably better than the alternative, which we have been witnessing on the OL the past few years.

It's a commentary on the state our recruiting is in, but the Tunstall kid has a better offer list than every OL on the roster not named Cam DeGeorge. He should be measurably better than most of the people in his unit. If you don't think that will lead quality of play to improve, I don't know what to tell you.
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I think you are more worried about which thread we are in than what I said.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
I'm curious as to who it was we beat out when we landed Rugg, Samra and Schaffenaker.
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Here you go:

Rugg: 3* Buffalo, UConn, Ohio, Temple, Villanova
Samra: 3* UConn only offer
Schaffenaker: 3* USF, Cincinnati, FAU, Marshall, SMU, South Carolina, Western Michigan
 
businesslawyer said:
But here is the thing -- I don't like any more than you that his best offers are from the MAC. Why isn't complaining about that good enough for you?
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That's fair. And I hope the kid is awesome. Being an OL, you can find a gem anywhere.

I just have no confidence that this staff can coach him up to that level. Even if the talent is there.
 
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I'm not saying this kid will become a star (or even that our current staff is capable of developing any linemen into stars), nor am I saying that this kid can't become a quality player at this level (which many seem to believe is a foregone conclusion).

I am saying however that this kid is not only something we absolutely need in this recruiting class, but that we need a few more like him. We need bodies, many bodies, balanced throughout all recruiting classes on our offensive line. We haven't had this in years and coincidentally we haven't had a line that qualified for even mediocrity in years. Anyone who believes a can't miss, immediate starter would consider coming here is kidding himself. We can land projects, that's pretty much it for now so we will need to learn how to land enough if them that some will hit and we need to learn how to develop them. It is that simple.
 
UConnJim said:
Here you go:

Rugg: 3* Buffalo, UConn, Ohio, Temple, Villanova
Samra: 3* UConn only offer
Schaffenaker: 3* USF, Cincinnati, FAU, Marshall, SMU, South Carolina, Western Michigan
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Interesting. I remember people on this board raving about the quality of recruits those three were (and remember in each case having guarded optimism, telling a few people that until we actually see them block someone on this level we can't claim they are better than kids who have).
 
FfldCntyFan said:
I'm curious as to who it was we beat out when we landed Rugg, Samra and Schaffenaker.
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Samra didn't have many (Bucknell?) and he got the most burn of the three. Rugg had offers from Temple and a few others and had played in the Big 33 if I recall correctly, but didn't play much. Shafenacker had offers from South Carolina, USF, and Cincy but he almost never saw the field (if at all?). Funny how that worked out.

Here's my take; does it make me feel excited to see that we beat out Alabama and LSU for a kid? Absolutely! But if a player says "UCONN is the place I want to be", then I say welcome aboard and please prove to the world that you're ready to punch someone in #$king mouth...
 
And, btw, lets get a new OC in place before we go nuts over any recruits on that side of the ball that we bring in from this point on.
 
Stairmaster said:
What do you want us to do, talk the kids who commit to the best program that offers them? Honest question, would you prefer they told our coaches "Thanks but not thanks, I'm not good enough for you"?
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Where did i say we should talk the kids?
This has nothing to do personally with the kids committing here and 100% to do with people thinking this staff can "coach up" the talent we're bringing in. I want a staff who can recruit with the rest of our conference. You all complain our program isn't big time and can't compete on the field yet are completely fine with below mediocre recruiting year after year.
 
Diamonds in the rough works out when you've proven you can polish them. Current staff hasn't done that. Then you just have... rough.
 
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At this point yes I'm happy warm bodies are committing here just so that we have enough players to field a team. That's also the worst recruiting strategy of all time. There in lies the problem. Welcome aboard, we'll cheer you on and try not to be completely ruined by this clown show we call a coaching staff
 
CTMike said:
Diamonds in the rough works out when you've proven you can polish them. Current staff hasn't done that. Then you just have... rough.
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FartMan69 said:
At this point yes I'm happy warm bodies are committing here just so that we have enough players to field a team. That's also the worst recruiting strategy of all time. There in lies the problem. Welcome aboard, we'll cheer you on and try not to be completely ruined by this clown show we call a coaching staff
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Do you not think this "warm body" is a noticeable step up from other "warm bodies"?

I get your complaints, but it seems pretty misplaced to get this worked up over a kid who has a better pedigree than all but one current OL on roster.
 
Stairmaster said:
Do you not think this "warm body" is a noticeable step up from other "warm bodies"?

I get your complaints, but it seems pretty misplaced to get this worked up over a kid who has a better pedigree than all but one current OL on roster.
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How can you tell that? If you haven't noticed the trend with our OL recruits around here is there stock is highest before they step foot on the field. That is completely unacceptable. If we're using our current OL as a standard than we'll be in the basement for the rest of this regime. We can't take raw talent with awful coaching when every week we face a team with more developed talent coupled with superior coaching. That's been the standard around here and that's why we lose.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
Interesting. I remember people on this board raving about the quality of recruits those three were (and remember in each case having guarded optimism, telling a few people that until we actually see them block someone on this level we can't claim they are better than kids who have).
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Because some cared as much about the stars that a service gave them as the other offers.
 
FartMan69 said:
How can you tell that? If you haven't noticed the trend with our OL recruits around here is there stock is highest before they step foot on the field. That is completely unacceptable. If we're using our current OL as a standard than we'll be in the basement for the rest of this regime. We can't take raw talent with awful coaching when every week we face a team with more developed talent coupled with superior coaching. That's been the standard around here and that's why we lose.
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Did you even check to see that this kid had FBS offers than our entire starting OLine on opening night combined? Or was your knee-jerk reaction just "Hurr Durr, Diaco recruited a guy, ergo he's automatically just as bad as everyone else!"?

The whole point is, this is not some kid we beat out Maine and Fordham for. I don't see how improving the talent level on the team works towards "keeping us in the basement". Christ, I swear this whole place has a terminal case of Diaco Madness.
 
Welcome James!! Work hard and get ready to build that wall and open holes in the trenches. Help us win that battle! Go Dogs!
 
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My take is this. Be greatful that a kid wants to play here and treat him with respect. I hope he turns into a huge asset. I wouldn't want to see these comments, but if I did it would just motivate me all the more.

As far as recruiting goes, it's awful hard to compete for kids when the program is on the skids with an HC that is a total bust and an atrocious record. At best we get projects here and off radar kids. The problem is we won't be flexible in bringing in academic projects. We think we are entitled to the cream of the crop but won't get our hands dirty. We think we are entitled to the best but we won't spend to get rid of the worst coach in FCS.

We get what we deserve.
 
We need to improve the line play on both sides of the ball. I'd like to see Cummings go because of the end results of the past seasons. We need to get a coach that takes kids and elevates their skills, Cummings hasn't shown that ability. Better coaches, better recruits, better results!
 
BlueDogs said:
My take is this. Be greatful that a kid wants to play here and treat him with respect. I hope he turns into a huge asset. I wouldn't want to see these comments, but if I did it would just motivate me all the more.

As far as recruiting goes, it's awful hard to compete for kids when the program is on the skids with an HC that is a total bust and an atrocious record. At best we get projects here and off radar kids. The problem is we won't be flexible in bringing in academic projects. We think we are entitled to the cream of the crop but won't get our hands dirty. We think we are entitled to the best but we won't spend to get rid of the worst coach in FCS.

We get what we deserve.
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I agree, I'm glad James choose us and I wish him success. We need to make changes to staff and stop rewarding bad coaches. Someone like Cummings, needs to go based on his coaching responsibilities. Find someone better or continue failing.
 
Stairmaster said:
Did you even check to see that this kid had FBS offers than our entire starting OLine on opening night combined? Or was your knee-jerk reaction just "Hurr Durr, Diaco recruited a guy, ergo he's automatically just as bad as everyone else!"?

The whole point is, this is not some kid we beat out Maine and Fordham for. I don't see how improving the talent level on the team works towards "keeping us in the basement". Christ, I swear this whole place has a terminal case of Diaco Madness.
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He had offers from Toledo and Bowling Green, a number of SWAC and MEAC programs. We play in the best G5 conference in the country. Our offensive line is the worst in the country coupled with the worst coaching staff in the country.Do you trust this staff to develop this kid? And yeah I have a terminal case of Diaco Madness because he has given this program a terminal disease. You are the dog in the everything's fine fire.
 
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