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And AP #17 BYU not even a mention....
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No changes in top 16. At this point, regardless of B12 tourney, even if Baylor runs the table, I'm skeptical if anything else changes. As Geno said (paraphrasing) "wherever they send us we go and play"
"Kentucky's run continued Sunday with an improbable comeback against No. 1 South Carolina and the Wildcats' first SEC tournament title since 1982. Kentucky has climbed another seed line, to No. 7, less than a month after the Wildcats had a sub-.500 record and weren't even in NCAA tournament consideration. The rise of Kentucky and Miami has also created a logjam in the bracketing. Three SEC teams are No. 7 seeds. That requires a few teams to be moved one seed line, which the rules of bracketing, as established by the NCAA, allow to prevent teams from the same conference from playing each other in the first two rounds. As a result, Colorado and Miami have "moved down" to No. 10 seeds. Each has earned a 9-seed but had to shift one seed line to make the bracketing work. The committee never reveals when this happens, but it likely occurs every year."
"Kentucky's run continued Sunday with an improbable comeback against No. 1 South Carolina and the Wildcats' first SEC tournament title since 1982. Kentucky has climbed another seed line, to No. 7, less than a month after the Wildcats had a sub-.500 record and weren't even in NCAA tournament consideration. The rise of Kentucky and Miami has also created a logjam in the bracketing. Three SEC teams are No. 7 seeds. That requires a few teams to be moved one seed line, which the rules of bracketing, as established by the NCAA, allow to prevent teams from the same conference from playing each other in the first two rounds. As a result, Colorado and Miami have "moved down" to No. 10 seeds. Each has earned a 9-seed but had to shift one seed line to make the bracketing work. The committee never reveals when this happens, but it likely occurs every year."
If Charlie Creme is to be believed and he is following what he thinks is the S curve, the top 8 teams as of Sunday morning are:
Should not the team be higher rated than LSU and Iowa State who have both stumbled recently?
Does Charlie Creme (or the Committee) want to do its utmost to make certain that UConn does not reach its 14th straight Final Four? Interesting questions to think about as we await both the Big Twelve tournament and the selections show.
- South Carolina
- Stanford
- North Carolina State
- Louisville
- Baylor
- LSU
- Iowa State
- UConn
Should not the team be higher rated than LSU and Iowa State who have both stumbled recently?
Does Charlie Creme (or the Committee) want to do its utmost to make certain that UConn does not reach its 14th straight Final Four? Interesting questions to think about as we await both the Big Twelve tournament and the selections show.
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This year, more than any I can remember in WBB, has provided the selection committee with more late season upsets as well as hot teams to consider when they determine their final brackets next Sunday. In past seasons, Creme has often been spot on, mostly because WBB was so very predictable. Not so this year.
UConn still has to take care of business today. The Big12 tournament is yet to be played. I will be absolutely stunned if Creme’s most recent prediction does not change significantly.
UConn still has to take care of business today. The Big12 tournament is yet to be played. I will be absolutely stunned if Creme’s most recent prediction does not change significantly.
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So SC just lost to an unranked team for the 2nd time and stays the top seed? Both Louisville and LSU have this past weekend lost to either low ranked or unranked teams and keep their seeding? Something stinks with the NCAA and ESPN. Teams, players and yes fans would like real objective seedings
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So Charlie is making UConn technically the worst of the #2 Seeds. Then placing them in the Greensboro Region, which South Carolina will be the overall #1 One Seed. That should not change even though they lost yesterday in their conference finals to KEntucky.. UConn still has a tough matchup against Villanova this evening.
Stanford is the overall # 2 One Seed. This they deserve and I look forward to watching them play in the tournament.
The overall #3 and #4 One seeds bother me. Louisville is still listed at the Third and NC State Fourth by Charlie. That is insane because the Cardinals lost early in the ACC Tournament and the Wolfpack won. If anything the two should be reversed.
Also, this is where Baylor's case comes in. If they win the Big 12 do they rate high enough for the Fourth #1 Seed. I would think so. Send them to Bridgeport as the overall Fourth #1 Seed.
Greensboro -- South Carolina -- Iowa -- Texas -- BYU (why not)
Spokane -- Stanford -- LSU -- Texas -- Ohio State
Wichita -- NC State -- UConn -- Iowa State -- Maryland
Bridgeport -- Baylor -- Louisville -- Indiana -- Kentucky
Stanford is the overall # 2 One Seed. This they deserve and I look forward to watching them play in the tournament.
The overall #3 and #4 One seeds bother me. Louisville is still listed at the Third and NC State Fourth by Charlie. That is insane because the Cardinals lost early in the ACC Tournament and the Wolfpack won. If anything the two should be reversed.
Also, this is where Baylor's case comes in. If they win the Big 12 do they rate high enough for the Fourth #1 Seed. I would think so. Send them to Bridgeport as the overall Fourth #1 Seed.
Greensboro -- South Carolina -- Iowa -- Texas -- BYU (why not)
Spokane -- Stanford -- LSU -- Texas -- Ohio State
Wichita -- NC State -- UConn -- Iowa State -- Maryland
Bridgeport -- Baylor -- Louisville -- Indiana -- Kentucky
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Two things are plainly true. UConn did not play their way into the Bridgeport regional this season. And there are not seven teams in the country that are better than UConn right now.
How much the Committee takes into account injuries and the eye test from late season play will be at their complete discretion. These judgmental factors apply to us more than ever this year, and so the Committee will legitimately be able to do whatever they want with respect to the Huskies. I know I won't be the only one anxiously watching ESPN next Sunday night.
How much the Committee takes into account injuries and the eye test from late season play will be at their complete discretion. These judgmental factors apply to us more than ever this year, and so the Committee will legitimately be able to do whatever they want with respect to the Huskies. I know I won't be the only one anxiously watching ESPN next Sunday night.
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Baylor and/or Iowa State will lose in the Big 12 Tournament, that's guaranteed. Just like NC State and Louisville but the Selection Committee, and Charlie, know this beforehand and will most likely not change the seeding because of it.
Unlike Creme, I think the committee will take into account attendance regarding the Bridgeport Region, and will factor in what the team is now, and that they clearly are better than their season long results.
If you look at where teams are now, a case could be made for Uconn as the last number 1 seed. Other rating systems like Massey and Her Hoops Stats have us in that range now, and they do not factor in injuries. When you factor in we have had far more impact from injuries on our results this season, and that except for Aubrey we are now as healthy as we have been all year, it might justify an even higher rating.
Yes I understand that the NET and AP etc. don't have us that high, but most ratings are based on the entire season. There are many ways that you could look at the process. Base it strictly on performance over a season regardless of injuries, adjust for the impact of injuries and current status, factor in momentum, or maybe pick what you think are the best teams with the best chances heading into the tournament.
Charlie said SC could lose their last game by 40 and still have the number 1 overall seed. Suppose they lost a close one like yesterday but Boston went down with an ACL injury, and would miss the NCAA tournament. In that case, should SC keep an overall number 1? If you think they should drop a few notches, then we should move up a few based on Paige and Azzi missing so much time and being back now.
Should the brackets reflect the betting odds? Maybe not, but if the seeds were based on the probability of success in the tournament Uconn would be closer to a 1 seed than the last of the 2 seeds if more current play and injuries were taken into account. It's debatable, but I personally feel that injuries and more recent play should be a significant part of the evaluation.
From that perspective I think Uconn should be in the Bridgeport region before even considering extra financial reasons, and they deserve a 2 seed that avoids SC and Stanford in their bracket, in other words an overall 5 or 6 seed.
If you look at where teams are now, a case could be made for Uconn as the last number 1 seed. Other rating systems like Massey and Her Hoops Stats have us in that range now, and they do not factor in injuries. When you factor in we have had far more impact from injuries on our results this season, and that except for Aubrey we are now as healthy as we have been all year, it might justify an even higher rating.
Yes I understand that the NET and AP etc. don't have us that high, but most ratings are based on the entire season. There are many ways that you could look at the process. Base it strictly on performance over a season regardless of injuries, adjust for the impact of injuries and current status, factor in momentum, or maybe pick what you think are the best teams with the best chances heading into the tournament.
Charlie said SC could lose their last game by 40 and still have the number 1 overall seed. Suppose they lost a close one like yesterday but Boston went down with an ACL injury, and would miss the NCAA tournament. In that case, should SC keep an overall number 1? If you think they should drop a few notches, then we should move up a few based on Paige and Azzi missing so much time and being back now.
Should the brackets reflect the betting odds? Maybe not, but if the seeds were based on the probability of success in the tournament Uconn would be closer to a 1 seed than the last of the 2 seeds if more current play and injuries were taken into account. It's debatable, but I personally feel that injuries and more recent play should be a significant part of the evaluation.
From that perspective I think Uconn should be in the Bridgeport region before even considering extra financial reasons, and they deserve a 2 seed that avoids SC and Stanford in their bracket, in other words an overall 5 or 6 seed.
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