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Plebe said:
No, he almost certainly has us as the #9 overall, which by strict S-curve would put us in Greensboro.
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You are right but I still don't get it. The overall #1 seed plays the worst #2 (8th overall) , but the best #3 ( 9th overall) ??
 
my2cents said:
You are right but I still don't get it. The overall #1 seed plays the worst #2 (8th overall) , but the best #3 ( 9th overall) ??
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No, the worst #2 plays the best #3. The overall #1 only has to play one of them. This is the essence of the S-curve. Just like the best #2 plays the worst #3.

By the same token, the #8 seeds play the #9 seeds in the first round, not the #16 seeds.
 
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my2cents said:
Creme has us as the worst three which is joke
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UConn now ranked 5th in both NET & Massey, and 7th in both AP & Warren Nolan's ELO. ESPN's Michelle Voepel has UConn 7th & The Athletic's Chantelle Jennings 9th in their respective weekly rankings columns.

As I asserted in my initial 2/25 post within this thread (not the follow-up that still appears), I still think UConn ends up as the #2 seed in Wichita when the dust settles after conference tournament play.

Restating my argument: (1) The recent UConn bias allegation affecting media, recruiting, & national perception by a prominent WBB figure provided a spearhead for this notion that has gained traction apparent in follow-up such discussion, including on the #1 ranked team coach's podcast; (2) institutions like ESPN & the NCAA Committee are hyper-sensitive to such allegations & do not want to seem hamstrung by them, so my anticipation is that they are/will go out of their way to appear the opposite; (3) given player caliber/extent of UConn injuries & effect on its record, this is the year to have this UConn bias pendulum swing the other way to "disprove"; and (4) the most effective way of doing so is to remove UConn from the Bridgeport quadrant while still allowing the highest probability of having the 3 best teams on paper get to the Final Four (SC, Stanford, UConn). Since NC State has edged Louisville H2H & sits atop the ACC with a better overall record, I expect them to be the #1 seed in Bridgeport, sending Louisville to #1 in Wichita & a potential Elite 8 perennial titans season rematch.

Finally, three notable points in discussing anticipated Tournament draw:

1. ESPN owns & operates both the SEC & ACC Networks, so they have a vested interest in promoting both conferences. This may or may not influence Charlie Creme in putting 9 SEC teams & 8 ACC teams in his field. I personally think he is incrementally over-stating both at the expense of quality bubble teams in lesser conferences, e.g. Villanova;

2. Creme has not appeared to factor in Paige Bueckers absence nor return in his #3 UConn seeding in South Carolina's bracket. Yes, all teams have injuries, but this is the reigning NPOY & Top 5 player in ANY reasonable assessment. And UConn has suffered a litany of injuries on top of Paige, which has played into 4 of their losses. His oversight seems irresponsible, particularly given Committee seeding criteria clearly outlined within this thread;

3. Nolan's ELO rates UConn's old conference, the American AC, as better than the Big East, which seems counterintuitive & does not help the Huskies SOS optics. They are already fighting an uphill battle in this regard vis-a-vis elite Power 5 programs.
 
nomdoux said:
UConn now ranked 5th in both NET & Massey, and 7th in both AP & Warren Nolan's ELO. ESPN's Michelle Voepel has UConn 7th & The Athletic's Chantelle Jennings 9th in their respective weekly rankings columns.

As I asserted in my initial 2/25 post within this thread (not the follow-up that still appears), I still think UConn ends up as the #2 seed in Wichita when the dust settles after conference tournament play.

Restating my argument: (1) The recent UConn bias allegation affecting media, recruiting, & national perception by a prominent WBB figure provided a spearhead for this notion that has gained traction apparent in follow-up such discussion, including on the #1 ranked team coach's podcast; (2) institutions like ESPN & the NCAA Committee are hyper-sensitive to such allegations & do not want to seem hamstrung by them, so my anticipation is that they are/will go out of their way to appear the opposite; (3) given player caliber/extent of UConn injuries & effect on its record, this is the year to have this UConn bias pendulum swing the other way to "disprove"; and (4) the most effective way of doing so is to remove UConn from the Bridgeport quadrant while still allowing the highest probability of having the 3 best teams on paper get to the Final Four (SC, Stanford, UConn). Since NC State has edged Louisville H2H & sits atop the ACC with a better overall record, I expect them to be the #1 seed in Bridgeport, sending Louisville to #1 in Wichita & a potential Elite 8 perennial titans season rematch.

Finally, three notable points in discussing anticipated Tournament draw:

1. ESPN owns & operates both the SEC & ACC Networks, so they have a vested interest in promoting both conferences. This may or may not influence Charlie Creme in putting 9 SEC teams & 8 ACC teams in his field. I personally think he is incrementally over-stating both at the expense of quality bubble teams in lesser conferences, e.g. Villanova;

2. Creme has not appeared to factor in Paige Bueckers absence nor return in his #3 UConn seeding in South Carolina's bracket. Yes, all teams have injuries, but this is the reigning NPOY & Top 5 player in ANY reasonable assessment. And UConn has suffered a litany of injuries on top of Paige, which has played into 4 of their losses. His oversight seems irresponsible, particularly given Committee seeding criteria clearly outlined within this thread;

3. Nolan's ELO rates UConn's old conference, the American AC, as better than the Big East, which seems counterintuitive & does not help the Huskies SOS optics. They are already fighting an uphill battle in this regard vis-a-vis elite Power 5 programs.
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But what Charlie is doing is putting on paper what is happening NOW. He can't just put UConn on the 1 line because he thinks they are a top 4 team. I agree I think they can be a top 4 team but Paige hasn't played more than 13 minutes in a game in months and the teams they are beating won't even get chosen for the WNIT. I think they end up on the 2 line in the end but you have to be patient and let them earn their way back up.
 
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Plebe said:
No, the worst #2 plays the best #3. The overall #1 only has to play one of them. This is the essence of the S-curve. Just like the best #2 plays the worst #3.

By the same token, the #12 seeds play the #13 seeds in the first round, not the #16 seeds.
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got it, it changes based on who wins
 
nomdoux said:
UConn now ranked 5th in both NET & Massey, and 7th in both AP & Warren Nolan's ELO. ESPN's Michelle Voepel has UConn 7th & The Athletic's Chantelle Jennings 9th in their respective weekly rankings columns
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nomdoux said:
... I still think UConn ends up as the #2 seed in Wichita when the dust settles after conference tournament play.
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TC22 said:
But what Charlie is doing is putting on paper what is happening NOW. He can't just put UConn on the 1 line because he thinks they are a top 4 team...
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TC22-- As stated above & supported empirically, my contention is that UConn should presently be a Top-8 ranked team & therefore a #2 seed in any reasonable Bracket projection.

My assertion was devoid of any #1 seed claim & also included moving UConn out of their comfortable, proximal Bridgeport quadrant.
 
Louisville was ahead after 1 period 31-3 against Notre Dame, in South Bend. That game was over before halftime. Talk about getting crunched!
 
TC22 said:
But what Charlie is doing is putting on paper what is happening NOW. He can't just put UConn on the 1 line because he thinks they are a top 4 team. I agree I think they can be a top 4 team but Paige hasn't played more than 13 minutes in a game in months and the teams they are beating won't even get chosen for the WNIT. I think they end up on the 2 line in the end but you have to be patient and let them earn their way back up.
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It would be laughable if he puts “UConn on the 1 line because he thinks they are a top 4 team”. Everyone knows that’s not true, and everyone knows who the top 4 teams are. Those teams records say they each get positioned on the top line, while UCONN’s record indicates a tilt off the mountain top this year.
 
Creme claims the NCAA takes into account how teams have played recently. In which case, putting Michigan (3 losses in last 5) ahead of Connecticut is certifiable.
 
nomdoux said:
3. Nolan's ELO rates UConn's old conference, the American AC, as better than the Big East, which seems counterintuitive & does not help the Huskies SOS optics. They are already fighting an uphill battle in this regard vis-a-vis elite Power 5 programs.
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Massey, who is the most accurate analyst in my view, also has the American ahead of the Big East. The Big East is dragged down badly by three teams worse than any in the American. (It's probably a mercy that Connecticut did not reschedule their postponed game against Butler; the way they are playing now they might have won by 70 or 80.)
 
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From today's Braketology...

"... Iowa moved into the top 16, which now includes four teams from the Big Ten and four from the Big 12. That makes bracketing a challenge and is the main reason UConn was once again placed outside the geographically friendly Bridgeport Regional. The Huskies' best chance to be placed there is to improve their seed. UConn was No. 9 overall on the committee's list Monday after being No. 11 in the reveal two weeks ago. With Paige Bueckers back, the Huskies are big favorites in the Big East tournament. Don't be surprised if UConn is a No. 2 seed and in the Bridgeport Regional after Championship Week."

We may have keep out foot on the gas this weekend and run up the score as much as possible
 
I would like to know from one of our SC posters, what the consensus is from SC fans on the prospect of having UConn in their NCAA bracket.
 
UConn will be in Bridgeport and the committee will do everything to have Iowa in SC's region.
 
TeamFirst! said:
Louisville was ahead after 1 period 31-3 against Notre Dame, in South Bend. That game was over before halftime. Talk about getting crunched!
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With 2.5 minutes left in the half, the score was 48-6. A 17-3 run after the debacle of the first qtr, a double debacle. Maybe the worst half of basketball ever played by a ranked team, and at home!
 
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The assignments are not final.
But even if UConn's assignment remains the same, UConn was fortunate that the earlier SC rematch was cancelled which gave Paige time to rehab. so that she could play.
Beating SC needs to be done whether it's a game earlier or a game later.
Meanwhile, there's other teams that are going to be eliminating each other in Bridgeport that we won't need to beat because we will be focused on playing SC.
If UConn takes out #1 in an upset then that will be a tremendous boost for the team and its fanbase.
It will bring the team momentum and draw a lot of national attention back to UConn as being a bona fide powerhouse team this year.
That's the silver lining built in to this assignment, and UConn will simply need to execute.
 
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ucbart said:
Agree-

Why would you have the only two fan bases that travel by the thousands, in the same region?
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That's what I'm thinking. Assuming we both made it to the Regional final it would be like the Championship game....but the Committee has done some crazy things before.
 
Bald Huskie said:
I would like to know from one of our SC posters, what the consensus is from SC fans on the prospect of having UConn in their NCAA bracket.
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I think it's crazy that they would do it but if we are going to win the National Championship I think we'll have to go through UConn one way or the other. TBH I haven't seen anybody fussing about it, which is rare because we like to fuss about everything (except what banners other teams hang ;) ).
 
TC22 said:
I think it's crazy that they would do it but if we are going to win the National Championship I think we'll have to go through UConn one way or the other. TBH I haven't seen anybody fussing about it, which is rare because we like to fuss about everything (except what banners other teams hang ;) ).
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You also fuss about which ball is used.
 
Bald Huskie said:
We'll let Dawn decide, we will play with any ball she wants. LOL
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Pretty sure the Wilson ball is the official ball of the NCAAW tournament games. It’s one of the reasons we’ve always used it.
 
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Creme has Villanova as 'First 4 Out' in his latest release dated 1-Mar.

Who was the last team to beat UConn and not make the NCAA Tournament the same season?

Exclude 2020, as no tournament was held.

Syracuse in 1995-96 beat UConn 62-59
 
Question for all fans (UConn and not): Is UConn one of the top seven teams in women's college basketball this year?

If so, is there a reason they should be matched against #1 South Carolina in the same bracket? Maybe, maybe not. But I don't think UConn deserves to be placed in the Bridgeport regional, on the basis of their record. It is an indictment of the women's game that the NCAA has to emphasize attendance in placement of the first/second rounds and regionals.

The marketplace speaks.
 
Viet Vet said:
Question for all fans (UConn and not): Is UConn one of the top seven teams in women's college basketball this year?
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In yesterday's Boneyard poll (which is open to all regardless of fan loyalty), UConn was ranked #7.

Out of 19 ballots, 12 had UConn ranked 7th or higher; seven had UConn ranked 8th or lower.
 
TC22 said:
I think it's crazy that they would do it but if we are going to win the National Championship I think we'll have to go through UConn one way or the other. TBH I haven't seen anybody fussing about it, which is rare because we like to fuss about everything (except what banners other teams hang ;) ).
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TC22, you’re funny :)
 
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