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The Official 2023 Mets Thread

You know Buck is in trouble when all the TV and radio commentators are quoting Yogi Berra . . .
 
dvegas said:
You know Buck is in trouble when all the TV and radio commentators are quoting Yogi Berra . . .
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It's too late to fire Buck this season. You don't want to waste the karma that comes with sacking him. Wait until October 2nd.
 
It's the bullpen. Losing Diaz was something almost impossible to overcome. Robertson has pitched lights out, Ottavino has been good, but that's the 8th and 9th now and ALL of those other rag arms are coughing up leads after the 6th every night.
 
Alum86 said:
Well Mr. Deepster. You yelled at me saying I knew not what I said about Alvarez. That he was not ready. You said he was and you could not take the time to explain how great he is. Well, he aint. He is just another tubby Los Mets underachiever.
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Just checking in
 
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Robertson already traded and it looks like Max is going to the Rangers. Sell everything that isn’t nailed down.
 
So the three prospects the Mets got back have been slotted in as their 2nd, 7th and 18th best prospects on the mlb.com rankings. The Mets also “save” 22.5M on their payroll for next year. Overall I think both trades have been pretty good.

I’m fine either way with trading Verlander as long as the return is another top 50 prospect at minimum. I think they have a few other pieces that should help with the minor league depth (Pham, Ottavino, Raley, Canha). It’ll be interesting to see how aggressively they sell and what their plan is for next year.
 
lavuuk153 said:
Seems like a decent return for a part time 34 year old. Mets allegedly paying all but the league minimum of his salary.
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Yeah it's a solid return. I like it less than what they got for Escobar, Robertson, Verlander but he's also the least valuable there so it makes sense. Pham should be a really exciting return tomorrow, and hopefully Verlander too
 
I have to say. Right now I don't "feel" like this is a fire sale.

Scherzer was not getting better, he was getting worse. And he opened his big mouth against ownership.
Robertson was a "sell high" with Diaz due back.
Escobar had no future here with the Baby Mets.
Cahna is a part time guy that we got some potential for.

I do hope they keep Verlander because that tells me they think they can compete next year. If they ditch him, it then feels like a fire sale to me.
 
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Deepster said:
I have to say. Right now I don't "feel" like this is a fire sale.

Scherzer was not getting better, he was getting worse. And he opened his big mouth against ownership.
Robertson was a "sell high" with Diaz due back.
Escobar had no future here with the Baby Mets.
Cahna is a part time guy that we got some potential for.

I do hope they keep Verlander because that tells me they think they can compete next year. If they ditch him, it then feels like a fire sale to me.
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fire sale GIF
 
So, here's how I got off the ledge....

1) The Baby Mets get to play the rest of the way and develop.
2) Acuna and Drew Gilbert seem as close to "sure things" as you can plan around.
3) And this one might be a stretch....but does this help us financially to go after Ohtani?

The cons? Watching Carlos Carrasco, Senga, a makeshift rotation and a terrible bullpen the rest of the year. And what do we do with Pete? It'll literally take a piece of my Mets heart if he isn't here long term.
 
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Deepster said:
So, here's how I got off the ledge....

1) The Baby Mets get to play the rest of the way and develop.
2) Acuna and Drew Gilbert seem as close to "sure things" as you can plan around.
3) And this one might be a stretch....but does this help us financially to go after Ohtani?

The cons? Watching Carlos Carrasco, Senga, a makeshift rotation and a terrible bullpen the rest of the year. And what do we do with Pete? It'll literally take a piece of my Mets heart if he isn't here long term.
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Agreed with the first 2 points completely. I'm not getting my hopes up for Ohtani but leaving the west coast but this definitely opens the door more.

I'm excited for more losses, this team needs to get a top 6 pick so we don't move down 10 spots again in the 1st round. Do that and sign Pete to an extension in the offseason and I'm happy
 
navery12 said:
Agreed with the first 2 points completely. I'm not getting my hopes up for Ohtani but leaving the west coast but this definitely opens the door more.

I'm excited for more losses, this team needs to get a top 6 pick so we don't move down 10 spots again in the 1st round. Do that and sign Pete to an extension in the offseason and I'm happy
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Also, and I recognize this might be revisionist history, I didn't feel nearly as psyched that Max was "ours" this season and didn't have the same anticipation for his starts. He may be leaking some oil and getting Acuna for him is being lauded as highway robbery by some baseball folks. The one line that stood out went something like "The Rangers traded for the Max Scherzer who is paid like he's still Max Scherzer, but that's just not the case anymore."
 
Even though I understand the trades and think we did OK for the long-term, thought this was a very funny edit...

 
Deepster said:
So, here's how I got off the ledge....

1) The Baby Mets get to play the rest of the way and develop.
2) Acuna and Drew Gilbert seem as close to "sure things" as you can plan around.
3) And this one might be a stretch....but does this help us financially to go after Ohtani?

The cons? Watching Carlos Carrasco, Senga, a makeshift rotation and a terrible bullpen the rest of the year. And what do we do with Pete? It'll literally take a piece of my Mets heart if he isn't here long term.
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Using mlb’s team prospect rankings, the prospects the mets added this year are ranked 2, 4, 6, 9, 15, 16, 21, 22, and 25 in their system. That’s a great way to retool on the fly. There is also the added possibility they have a very high draft pick for next year. I don’t know if Cohen wants to reset the luxury tax penalties, but they can keep Pete and round out the team while staying under for 2024 if they want. It probably won’t be pretty, but it should allow the young guys to play full time and see what they’ve got. Having a bigger sample size on Alvarez, Baty (needs to take a step forward), Mauricio and Vientos will better help them understand their needs for 2025.

I’m not sure whether these trades move the needle much on what Cohen is willing to pay Ohtani. He did try to sign correa to a 325M contract this off-season, so payroll can evidently push 400M. I just don’t see him coming here since he wants to win and be on the west coast. Of course, if Cohen wants to drop a 12/700 on him then we’ll see how much the other two points matter.
 
I think they did a great job retooling on the fly. Hated the Scherzer & Verlander signings to begin with - and hated to see Jake go but, in hindsight it was 100% the right move.

There's an article in the Post today about the Brewers apparently being very close to trading for Alonso at the deadline, yikes. Didn't think things were that close. Is Pete a jerk?

I genuinely havn't been the fan I have been... I guess UConn being good again sapped a lot of my attention away from the Mets - and them having Scherzer and Verlander made it worse.

I think Vientos stinks, Baty is not very good, thankfully Alvarez appears to be our catcher for the next 10 years which is great.

I don't understand why Mauricio hasn't been up, there's even been indications that he's frustrated in AAA because he's been there so long ugh..

Senga is a huge bright spot, he's legit. We just need more, gotta keep adding.
 


This thread has been as dead as the Mets this year, but I'm optimistic about next year with Stearns in charge. Gotta re-sign Pete and sign Yamamoto, other than that there's nothing I'll be disappointed if it doesn't happen
 
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Agree with all of that above - and let me wax optimism here for a second.. Vientos has RAKED, Mauricio is as advertised, and Senga may damn near end up as Rookie of the Year?

I never bought that 2025 was the year, we will be absolutely fine going forward.
 
The owner through the GM without Buck’s knowledge dismantled the team mid season when they were not out of it. That says it all on this organization. Garbage.
 
Alum86 said:
The owner through the GM without Buck’s knowledge dismantled the team mid season when they were not out of it. That says it all on this organization. Garbage.
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That's how successful organizations are run. Buck Showalter should not be making personnel decisions. And they were absolutely out of it. They were 6.5 games out of the wild card with 5 teams ahead of them. Their playoff odds were 16.3%
 
navery12 said:
That's how successful organizations are run. Buck Showalter should not be making personnel decisions. And they were absolutely out of it. They were 6.5 games out of the wild card with 5 teams ahead of them. Their playoff odds were 16.3%
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Not even for input? And analytics are overrated. Play the games, use your 2 H of Fame pitchers.
 
Alum86 said:
Not even for input? And analytics are overrated. Play the games, use your 2 H of Fame pitchers.
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Nope, not even for input. Your 2nd sentence is all I needed to see though, so I regret responding already
 
With 2 outs left, it looks like the Rangers will win their 1st WS.

What is your honest thoughts on how a) Scherzer and b) deGrom feel about being an official WS champ and getting rings.

My thoughts?

a) Scherzer has been a hired gun most of his career and, even though he pitched like garbage here, he'll just lump the ring on his pile of postseason success and be fine with it.

b) I can't see deGrom feeling any part of this ring. Watching him in NY I just don't feel like he'd ever feel this one was "real" for him.
 
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