The Fantastic Four
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I do recall that after he retired from football Rosevelt Grier became quite proficient at knitting - true story.
JordyG
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You assumed I disliked the Yankee's because of my love of the old Dodgers. WRONG! They used to call that pretzel logic. It's grossly inaccurate. I dislike the Yankee's because to me they epitomize everything about sports I dislike: Buying championships, fans that barely tolerate like baseball but LOVE the Yankee's, old fashioned attitudes about what is "good for the sport", and Yankee arrogant head honcho's and fans.
Yes, I mean SoCal. I see because of your kid you do have good qualities. Too bad they don't extend to baseball. Hopefully your Queens and Brooklyn friends still give you hell for rooting for corporate baseball. In case you haven't noticed aside from being a longtime UConn lover, I root for a lot of teams considered losers or bad franchises. I wouldn't have it any other way.
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I'm glad to see that you don't generalize and paint an entire fan base with the broad brush strokes of your personal prejudices !! You really should consider using qualifiers (e.g. most, many, some) unless of course you meant to deal in absolutes. Your
diatribe didn't leave room for even a single exception.
I became a Yankee fan when there were no other baseball teams in NY, so the choices were somewhat limited.
Tell me, after you first became a Dodger fan, did you like the Yankees too ? And did you really rationalize the reasons for choosing the Dodgers over the other 2 NY teams, or any other team for that matter ? (i.e. I can't root for the Yankees, their fans "have old fashioned attitudes about what is good for the sport" !!) Why don't I think it happened that way ?
More likely it was a question of geography or the influence of friends and family. The rationalizations come latter.
You could have joined an exclusive club (there are presently zero members but I'm optimistic I can find one !). That group would be people, who I've met, who use to be Brooklyn Dodger fans that became Yankees fans after the Dodgers left town. All of the jilted Dodger fans, that I've spoken to, admitted to me that they could never root for the Yanks because their Dodger DNA wouldn't allow them to do so. Instead, they waited a few years and rooted for the Mets when they came into existence. Sound familiar ?
I'm curious. Did you stop rooting for the Mets during the 1992 season ? You know, that was the "Worst team that money could buy" Mets, who happened to have the highest payroll in MLB (Did they try to buy a pennant ?) and still lost 90 games. I suspect you still remained a fan.
I'm also a lifelong NY Knick fan but I don't think I deserve special recognition because I root for an historically bad team. To true fans, their teams are like family. Good or bad, it's still your team.
My apologies to my fellow boneyarders for dragging them into this not so private tet a tet.
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That doesn't sting at all.. The Yankees already had a few titles under their belt..lol I don't hate the Red Sox the way Red Sox fans hate the Yankees. I don't really "get" that. I love a rivalry sure - but that stuff is a little extreme for me as a fan. To each his own!
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1) Nope. Wrong again. My Dad was a die hard Yankee fan. At 5 I was a Dodger fan. I was too young to hate the Yankee's at the time. I've always been a fan of underdogs. I meandered around baseball becoming a marginal Yankee fan until the Mets and their 40-120 record entered NY in 1962. My dislike of the Yankee's is precisely for the reasons I've stated.
2) Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't you the first to generalize by saying "Spoken like a true jilted Dodger fan"? I'm just being the "Gander" here. By your definition those who became Yankee fans are not "True" fans. Also, what's so exclusive about being a Yankee fan? I became a Cub fan because I wanted to see that city win a BB championship. But I also became a big fan of their fans. Knowledgeable, and devoted fans of the game that fill that stadium no matter their team's record.
3) For the record I, like Cub fans never stopped rooting for the Mets, win or lose, and because of that I feel free to criticize. Tell me, did you even watch those Yankee years between'87 and'92? Or did you like so many Yankee fans stop going to the stadium and stop watching them on TV?
4) Even though you've terrible taste in BB teams, being a Knick fan gives you permanent dispensation for pretty much anything what you may say. But as a Met, Jet and Cub fan, I've been way up on suffering.
And I'll not apologize for having fun on this board discussing baseball with a fellow BY-er that I respect. Your Yankee taste may be is egregious, but no one's perfect. Everyone has blind spots.
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They were badass!
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Last post on this thread in deference to my fellow boneyarders. I didn't define who is a Yankee fan, I only described my personal situation. I never changed my allegiance nor stopped going to Yankee games even though George made it very difficult to do so in the early 90"s. In fact, I haven't changed allegiance to any of the teams that I've rooted for, regardless if it was a "marginal" interest or not. I've always watched in disbelief when a fan changes the team(s) they root for, outside of either the fan or the team moving their location.
Does any fan choose to root for a team based its "exclusivity" factor ?
I'm sure I have blind spots. I'm equally sure that my choice in baseball teams isn't one of them.
Beg to differ. Before UConn dynasty there was the NY Yankees Dynasty : - )
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I understand your, and other folks, point regarding the exclusion. I feel bad for the other players and also agree FSU and Baylor would be Ls. That said, its CORE four. Definition of core is, "the central or most important part of something." It is not complete.
Honestly, the best way to think about for me is if a particular player is lost can we win the national championship with out them? If any of the deemed core four go down I think most likely not , but any one else yes. I do think the other three are needed to develop and be part of the team in order to have the best chance to win it all, even just from a bodies perspective of subbing and dealing with possible foul issues. But when thinking of "core" right now its those four players and its obvious in every big game that they are on the floor almost the entire time, not the others.
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