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Thanks for taking the time to point that out.While this weird point system does come up with what appears to me to be the right programs at the top, it still seems like a stupid and kinda arbitrary exercise.
Thanks for taking the time to point that out.
A couple challenges here: 1) The year prior to Wilson's arrival at South Carolina 2013-14 season SC was a Number 1 seed in the NCAA tournament. The season prior to that SC was a 4 Seed in in the tournament.The success of SC and MSU coincided with the coming of major talent. It's tough to weigh with certainty the value of the player talent and the coaching because often the players make an ordinary coach into a "genius." The bottom fell out of SC once Aja graduated; we'll see how long MSU sustains it recent success. When Griner left Baylor, its dominance ended. (Only Holly, and perhaps TX, have been able to avoid winning with stacked rosters.) When Stewie & Co. left, UConn's world was thought to be teetering on the brink. But it didn't happen. Why not? I'd be willing to say it was because of Geno and the perpetuation of a culture of excellence that no other program has had. It's the coaches,stupid.
The success of SC and MSU coincided with the coming of major talent. It's tough to weigh with certainty the value of the player talent and the coaching because often the players make an ordinary coach into a "genius." The bottom fell out of SC once Aja graduated; we'll see how long MSU sustains it recent success. When Griner left Baylor, its dominance ended. (Only Holly, and perhaps TX, have been able to avoid winning with stacked rosters.) When Stewie & Co. left, UConn's world was thought to be teetering on the brink. But it didn't happen. Why not? I'd be willing to say it was because of Geno and the perpetuation of a culture of excellence that no other program has had. It's the coaches, stupid.
A couple challenges here: 1) The year prior to Wilson's arrival at South Carolina 2013-14 season SC was a Number 1 seed in the NCAA tournament. The season prior to that SC was a 4 Seed in in the tournament.
2) What elite talent arrived at MSU? Teira McCowan was the 45th ranked player in her class of 2015. Victoria Vivians was 24th in the class a year prior to McCowan.
3) Baylor was not dominant while Griner was there unless you want to call 1 championship dominant.
4) Baylor did not fall that far after Griner's departure. In the two season following Griner's departure Baylor
was a 2 seed and had the misfortune of being in ND bracket both times losing in the regional finals.
Your praise of Geno is admirable but it leaves the door open for this specific retort: Geno has not won without Stewie or other transcendent player, therefore it must be the players. It both players and coaching and Geno would be the first to agree.
A couple challenges here: 1) The year prior to Wilson's arrival at South Carolina 2013-14 season SC was a Number 1 seed in the NCAA tournament. The season prior to that SC was a 4 Seed in in the tournament.
2) What elite talent arrived at MSU? Teira McCowan was the 45th ranked player in her class of 2015. Victoria Vivians was 24th in the class a year prior to McCowan.
3) Baylor was not dominant while Griner was there unless you want to call 1 championship dominant.
4) Baylor did not fall that far after Griner's departure. In the two season following Griner's departure Baylor
was a 2 seed and had the misfortune of being in ND bracket both times losing in the regional finals.
Your praise of Geno is admirable but it leaves the door open for this specific retort: Geno has not won without Stewie or other transcendent player, therefore it must be the players. It both players and coaching and Geno would be the first to agree.
OK. I yield. Yeah, there are other coaches in the world. It is probably a combination of the two. I do think, however, that UConn is better at sustaining excellence through thick and thin because of its special assets (coach + culture). Nothing less pleasant than being swatted with facts . . .
OK. I yield. Yeah, there are other coaches in the world. It is probably a combination of the two. I do think, however, that UConn is better at sustaining excellence through thick and thin because of its special assets (coach + culture). Nothing less pleasant than being swatted with facts . . .
A couple challenges here: 1) The year prior to Wilson's arrival at South Carolina 2013-14 season SC was a Number 1 seed in the NCAA tournament. The season prior to that SC was a 4 Seed in in the tournament.
2) What elite talent arrived at MSU? Teira McCowan was the 45th ranked player in her class of 2015. Victoria Vivians was 24th in the class a year prior to McCowan.
3) Baylor was not dominant while Griner was there unless you want to call 1 championship dominant.
4) Baylor did not fall that far after Griner's departure. In the two season following Griner's departure Baylor
was a 2 seed and had the misfortune of being in ND bracket both times losing in the regional finals.
Your praise of Geno is admirable but it leaves the door open for this specific retort: Geno has not won without Stewie or other transcendent player, therefore it must be the players. It both players and coaching and Geno would be the first to agree.
SC climb started 2 years prior to Aja Wilson. The first year Dawn won the SEC championship, she only had one McDonalds All American on the team.
as is OSU with the final 4 run and play of Wiese, Gulich and Pivac
You're joking. Those players would have been transcendant had they chosen almost any school they wanted to."Geno has not won without Stewie or other transcendent player, therefore it must be the players."
Taurasi, Maya Moore, Stewart, etc., didn't arrive at Connecticut as elite players. Of course, they've recruited many talented players, but the coaches deserve plenty of credit for turning them into transcendent players.
You're joking. Those players would have been transcendant had they chosen almost any school they wanted to.
"Geno has not won without Stewie or other transcendent player, therefore it must be the players."
Taurasi, Maya Moore, Stewart, etc., didn't arrive at Connecticut as elite players. Of course, they've recruited many talented players, but the coaches deserve plenty of credit for turning them into transcendent players.
Don’t be ridiculous. Since the turn of this century only 4 players were universally projected to be future Olympians as HS players. Maya Moore, Candace Parker, Britney Griner & Stewie. They were all elite coming in & exponentially better upon their departures from college BB."Geno has not won without Stewie or other transcendent player, therefore it must be the players."
Taurasi, Maya Moore, Stewart, etc., didn't arrive at Connecticut as elite players. Of course, they've recruited many talented players, but the coaches deserve plenty of credit for turning them into transcendent players.
Thanks, I knew I was missing a player (or 2!) so you made my point, Scott is not quite elite...YET. He's on his way but he needs some AAs and another strong NCAA run...Expanding to 8 years would skew in a negative (and misleading) way for OSU. When Rueck took over the program was in shambles. Going back that far is the beginning of his OSU tenure when he faced a huge rebuilding project. Also I don't think their success is based on just a few players. Not to mention you're missing 2 significant individuals in Weisner and Hamblin, who were just as key as Wiese. They lost 3 starters 2 years in a row without much of a drop off.