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OT: The discovery of Willie Mays, by my 8 year old

Willie was a well-known stickball player [Harlem] and stickball with a Spaldeen&broomstick was our main game where I grew up in Queens [on the Brooklyn border] in the early 50s, eh?
And yes, Sal "The Barber" shaved the Injuns that year and got a little help from Hoyt Wilhelm & Johnny Antonelli...

Stickball looks awesome! Never played. Saw videos. We went Wiffle and trying to throw a nasty curve.
Great stick story in our episode. Let us know what you think!

iTunes reviews appreciated. Help other fans, find our work. Several cool baseball episodes in our library.

Thanks for supporting our Father/Son hobby.
 
Saw Willie twice in person. Once with the Giants when they were still in NY (I’m old but I was a kid) and once when he was with the Mets. He did nothing notable those two days. Saw Mantle several times and he homered almost every time. Saw Duke Snider the first time I saw Willie because it was a Dodgers-Giants game at the Polo Grounds.
 
Stickball looks awesome! Never played. Saw videos. We went Wiffle and trying to throw a nasty curve.
Great stick story in our episode. Let us know what you think!

iTunes reviews appreciated. Help other fans, find our work. Several cool baseball episodes in our library.

Thanks for supporting our Father/Son hobby.

Stickball was a big Bronx game as well.
I lived on Decatur Avenue which backed up on Woodlawn cemetery.
in the late 40's early 50's We played stick street ball (like Willie) but also
pitched to boxes across E 211 St (never knew the name), painted on the concrete wall of the cemetery, and hit the spauldeen across a big lot (now filled by another apartment house). I went back to take a peek a few years ago and the boxes are still there.

In Queens (we moved in '52 or 3), my stickball was played in Jewel Ave Park...against the tall wire fence of the handball court. there was a plate conveniently painted for balls and strikes. It was 350-400 feet across the concrete softball field to the far fence...With a Spauldeen, one could quite readily hit it that far.
 
Stickball was a big Bronx game as well.
I lived on Decatur Avenue which backed up on Woodlawn cemetery.
in the late 40's early 50's We played stick street ball (like Willie) but also
pitched to boxes across E 211 St (never knew the name), painted on the concrete wall of the cemetery, and hit the spauldeen across a big lot (now filled by another apartment house). I went back to take a peek a few years ago and the boxes are still there.

In Queens (we moved in '52 or 3), my stickball was played in Jewel Ave Park...against the tall wire fence of the handball court. there was a plate conveniently painted for balls and strikes. It was 350-400 feet across the concrete softball field to the far fence...With a Spauldeen, one could quite readily hit it that far.

Thank you for sharing. Brings back great childhood memories, I’m sure.

Thank you for listening. It was fun to learn the games history with my son! More cool episodes coming soon!

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Saw Willie in the 1973 NLCS games vs. the Reds. Particularly remember Game 3 with the Rose/Harrelson fight, after which, Yogi, Willie, Tom Terrific, Cleon and Rusty had to go out to left field to keep the fans from beaning Pete Rose with a beer bottle (and possibly forfeiting the game).

I was really a Mickey fan growing up (the Mets weren't in existence yet, but I switched my allegience to the Mets in the mid-70s during the Steinbrenner/Billy Martin days. Since then, I've hated the Yankees). My favorite Mickey moment was at the NY Worlds Fair in '64. We were on line to see the DuPont Pavillion (a 2 hour wait) where I listened (on my transistor radio) to most of Game 3 of the World Series between the Yankees and the Cards. Just as we were about to get into the Pavillion (and would have to turn off my radio), Mickey hit a walk-off off of Barney Schultz to break a 1-1 tie. Wow!
 
As a Baltimore Oriole fan (being a kid in their heydays of the late 60's and early 70's) for me Brooks Robinson was the consummate third baseman and an all around gentleman. His performance in the 1970 World Series against the Reds was one for the ages.
 
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As a Baltimore Oriole fan (being a kid in their heydays of the late 60's and early 70's) for me Brooks Robinson was the consummate third baseman and an all around gentleman. His performance in the 1970 World Series against the Reds was one for the ages.
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He's the reason that a 9 year old kid in Connecticut became an Orioles fan. And I'm now stuck rooting for a really bad team with a miserable owner.:confused:
 
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Yes, he still is. Willie is still alive, he's 89. :)

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Connecticut connection:

Willie and Bobby Bonds used to throw a golf tournament every Summer at Western Hills Golf Course in Waterbury.

Bobby said he was treated better in Waterbury when he played for a minor league baseball team there than at any other place he played.

I played in it a few times in the 1990s. I never saw Willie or Bobby (I think Bobby had taken ill by that time) but Barry showed up one year I played, in a limo, didn't play golf but hung out for a while. Dave Parker played and hung out, good guy, big.
 
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He's the reason that a 9 year old kid in Connecticut became an Orioles fan. And is now stuck rooting for a really bad team with a miserable owner.:confused:
I feel your pain!
 
Connecticut connection:

Willie and Bobby Bonds used to throw a golf tournament every Summer at Western Hills Golf Course in Waterbury.

Bobby said he was treated better in Waterbury when he played for a minor league baseball team there than at any other place he played.

I played in it a few times in the 1990s. I never saw Willie or Bobby (I think Bobby had taken ill by that time) but Barry showed up one year I played, in a limo, didn't play golf but hung out for a while. Dave Parker played and hung out, good guy, big.

Cool story!
 
Willie playing stickball in Harlem.
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Saw Willie in the 1973 NLCS games vs. the Reds. Particularly remember Game 3 with the Rose/Harrelson fight, after which, Yogi, Willie, Tom Terrific, Cleon and Rusty had to go out to left field to keep the fans from beaning Pete Rose with a beer bottle (and possibly forfeiting the game).

I was really a Mickey fan growing up (the Mets weren't in existence yet, but I switched my allegience to the Mets in the mid-70s during the Steinbrenner/Billy Martin days. Since then, I've hated the Yankees). My favorite Mickey moment was at the NY Worlds Fair in '64. We were on line to see the DuPont Pavillion (a 2 hour wait) where I listened (on my transistor radio) to most of Game 3 of the World Series between the Yankees and the Cards. Just as we were about to get into the Pavillion (and would have to turn off my radio), Mickey hit a walk-off off of Barney Schultz to break a 1-1 tie. Wow!

The old "knuckleballer" Ten to one it was a knuckle ball Mickey sent into the stands as a souvenir for some lucky fan. :)
 
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The old "knuckleballer" Ten to one it was a knuckle ball Mickey sent into the stands as a souvenir for some lucky fan. :)

Carnac, I meant to ask how did you like the pod? If you’re on iTunes, I’d be grateful for a review!
 
Carnac, I meant to ask how did you like the pod? If you’re on iTunes, I’d be grateful for a review!

Is that your Oct 5 podcast? I have not listened to it yet. I will this weekend, and get back to you. ;)
 
Is that your Oct 5 podcast? I have not listened to it yet. I will this weekend, and get back to you. ;)

Thanks. It’s actually from the Summer. July 12th. It’s called Legend. Here it is.

 
While growing up in Albuquerque in the 40's and 50's, there was radio listening to the Yankees and Red Sox play with stars like Ted Williams, and Joe Dimaggio. In the 50's we had TV in the home and frequently watched the Dodgers and the Giants compete. Willie Mays, Jack Robinson, Duke Snider, Don Newcombe and Pee Wee Reese. Baseball was the people's sport of the day. All the kids played "sandlot" ball. We even had the ABQ Dukes to watch occasionally. Saw him once catch a baseball running to the wall without turning around. A great ball player but a greater man. Say Hey, Willie.
 
Read "24" in one day. Willie Mays was incomparable. He is my baseball deity. With apologies to Mickey Mantle, Mike Trout, Roberto Clemente, Hank Aaron, and others, Willie Mays is as close to a perfect baseball player that we will ever see.
Well said. One of Sport's all-time greatest descriptors is: "Willie Mays' glove: where triples go to die."-- Jim Murray.
 
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How do you teach children about the history of sports? I’ve chosen, one conversation And game at a time.

Guest, John Shea, co authored “24” with Mr Mays himself and took us through his Hall of Fame life on our Sliders & Curveballs podcast.

One of my favorite guests and episodes.
I hope it will be one of yours too.

Ever seen Willie play? Who’s your baseball hero? Joseph wants to know!


I saw Willie play at Forbes Field more years ago than I care to remember. Forbes Field was a cavernous stadium with a center field over over four hundred feet. The best two center fielders I ever say play there were Mays and Bill Virdon. Dick Groat was on third when a long fly ball was it to Mays in center. He backed up on the catch so he was actually running in, caught it and threw a dart to home plate. Groat had tagged and 99 times out of a hundred would have been safe. Willie Mays was a one of the few five tool players ever to play the game and his throw bounced once around the pitchers mound and settled into the catchers mitt. Groat was out. They both came up around the same time, both were playing in New York and the debate among baseball fans was always "Mantle or Mays". That was a testament to their greatness.
 
Mays was one of several "bad ball" hitters in the league at that time. Henry Aaron, Roberto Clemente, Frank Robinson, Tony Oliva, Elston Howard, Orlando Cepeda and little known Manny Sanquillen (Pittsburgh Pirates) are the ones that immediately come to mind. There were others.
Carnac, I remember watching a game where Manny Sanquillen actually tomahawked a bell out to deep right center for a triple. He was the fastest catcher I've ever seen. And he was the first catcher to spread eagle without being in a sitting position.
 
Playing catch with my Dad on Long Island, we were big Yankee/Mickey fans, I was starting my Little League days, Dad was throwing me grounders and "Pop-Ups", I caught a Pop Up with one hand, was about to throw it back but my father had his arms down at his sides...., I was quiet, I was getting "The Look", finally he said, "Who do you think you are...., Wille Mays?" Although we were big Mickey fans, my father knew who the better fielder was...Mr. Mays.
 
Stickball was a big Bronx game as well.
I lived on Decatur Avenue which backed up on Woodlawn cemetery.
in the late 40's early 50's We played stick street ball (like Willie) but also
pitched to boxes across E 211 St (never knew the name), painted on the concrete wall of the cemetery, and hit the spauldeen across a big lot (now filled by another apartment house). I went back to take a peek a few years ago and the boxes are still there.

In Queens (we moved in '52 or 3), my stickball was played in Jewel Ave Park...against the tall wire fence of the handball court. there was a plate conveniently painted for balls and strikes. It was 350-400 feet across the concrete softball field to the far fence...With a Spauldeen, one could quite readily hit it that far.
The staples of my ‘yoot’ [read youth] in the early 50s were chalk and Spaldeens. 90% of our street games involved one or the other, or both, eh?

What’s a "Spaldeen?" Well, a Spaldeen, is a pink rubber ball, the size of a tennis ball without the felt. The name is a corruption of the pronunciation of the company name, Spalding, probably colored by a Noo Yawk City dialect.

Our main beverage in the day wuz “chocolate egg crèmes’ which we bought daily [at least once] from the same ‘candy store’ where we got chalk and our Spaldeens!

Our main game was stickball and its many versions: fungo stickball(grounders), catcher-flier-up, triangle, boxball, one-bounce over a manhole cover, fast-pitch over a manhole cover, etc. If you could hit a Spaldeen over three manhole covers [more than 3 sewers] then you were a local hero!

My favourite stickball iteration was fast-pitch-up-against-a-wall which required only a broomsick, chalk and a Spaldeen. A box is drawn with chalk on the wall which defines the strike zone. About forty feet away, a heavy chalk line is drawn on the ground which designates the mound. The pitcher throws as hard as he can into the box to try to strike out the batter. If he throws four balls outside the batter’s box, the batter is awarded 1st-base. A disputed call is settled if there is chalk on the ball which is wiped clean after every pitch. It only takes a second.

Our favourite fast-pitch venue was PS 65 bcuz it had a big fenced-in courtyard. A single was a ground ball hit past the pitcher/infielders without being caught. A double was a fly ball, hit over the pitcher’s head, without being caught. A home run was a fly ball hit over the 18-foot courtyard fence. A triple was a fly ball that hit the far-away fence and dropped to the ground..

Adding gr8 interest to fast-pitch stickball was running down your favourite lineup from MLB.

My lineup wuz: 1) Alvin Dark 2) Eeddie Stanky 3) Whitey Lockman 4) Monte Irvin 5) Bobby Thomson 6) Willie Mays 7) Don Mueller 8) Wes Westrum 9) and Sal “the Barber”. Guess who?

It should be noted that if you played fast-pitch [with lineups] you had to be a switch-hitter. Thus if Don Mueller was up, you had to bat lefty; if Monte Irvin was up you had to bat righty, eh?



Most of the 40 or 50 street games that we played with chalk and/or Spaldeens were made up on the fly requiring LOTS of imagination and creativity. I doubt if future generations of kids will [ever] be able to reprise that era.
 
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Jim Murray, one of the greatest sports writers of all time.

Yes Sir!!! I use to read his column everyday. He could cover and write about any sport. He had a unique take on baseball and football. I always learned something when I read his columns. He knew ALL of the athletes across the sports landscape, and they all knew him. You didn't refuse and interview request from Jim Murray. Great guy, great sports writer. RIP Jim Murray. :(
 
The staples of my ‘yoot’ [read youth] in the early 50s were chalk and Spaldeens. 90% of our street games involved one or the other, or both, eh?

What’s a "Spaldeen?" Well, a Spaldeen, is a pink rubber ball, the size of a tennis ball without the felt. The name is a corruption of the pronunciation of the company name, Spalding, probably colored by a Noo Yawk City dialect.

Our main beverage in the day wuz “chocolate egg crèmes’ which we bought daily [at least once] from the same ‘candy store’ where we got chalk and our Spaldeens!

Our main game was stickball and its many versions: fungo stickball(grounders), catcher-flier-up, triangle, boxball, one-bounce over a manhole cover, fast-pitch over a manhole cover, etc. If you could hit a Spaldeen over three manhole covers [more than 3 sewers] then you were a local hero!

My favourite stickball iteration was fast-pitch-up-against-a-wall which required only a broomsick, chalk and a Spaldeen. A box is drawn with chalk on the wall which defines the strike zone. About forty feet away, a heavy chalk line is drawn on the ground which designates the mound. The pitcher throws as hard as he can into the box to try to strike out the batter. If he throws four balls outside the batter’s box, the batter is awarded 1st-base. A disputed call is settled if there is chalk on the ball which is wiped clean after every pitch. It only takes a second.

Our favourite fast-pitch venue was PS 65 bcuz it had a big fenced-in courtyard. A single was a ground ball hit past the pitcher/infielders without being caught. A double was a fly ball, hit over the pitcher’s head, without being caught. A home run was a fly ball hit over the 18-foot courtyard fence. A triple was a fly ball that hit the far-away fence and dropped to the ground..

Adding gr8 interest to fast-pitch stickball was running down your favourite lineup from MLB.

My lineup wuz: 1) Alvin Dark 2) Eeddie Stanky 3) Whitey Lockman 4) Monte Irvin 5) Bobby Thomson 6) Willie Mays 7) Don Mueller 8) Wes Westrum 9) and Sal “the Barber”. Guess who?

It should be noted that if you played fast-pitch [with lineups] you had to be a switch-hitter. Thus if Don Mueller was up, you had to bat lefty; if Monte Irvin was up you had to bat righty, eh?



Most of the 40 or 50 street games that we played with chalk and/or Spaldeens were made up on the fly requiring LOTS of imagination and creativity. I doubt if future generations of kids will [ever] be able to reprise that era.

Thanks Jingo. I’m curious to get your feedback on our pod. Let us know your thoughts!
 
Yes Sir!!! I use to read his column everyday. He could cover and write about any sport. He had a unique take on baseball and football. I always learned something when I read his columns. He knew ALL of the athletes across the sports landscape, and they all knew him. You didn't refuse and interview request from Jim Murray. Great guy, great sports writer. RIP Jim Murray. :(
Hartford, Ct native and a Trinity College alum.
 

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