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The Big Ten should add UConn and BC for East Coast Supremacy

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That's why we need a guaranteed path to the playoffs (P4?) so conferences can go to a mandatory 10 game conference schedule and not worry so much about who they're playing non-conference.

At 1 million+ for 1-off games, conferences will start thinking hard about changing the formula.
 
The B1G has already had a lot of discussion on 10 game conference scheduling. It's been tabled but they plan to revisit the subject.

I actually wrote to Larry Scott and Delany with an idea I had, but not surprisingly I didn't even get a form letter in response from either one. This was way back when Scott had just got hired.

I figured with a Pac12 Network, the B1G and Pac12 should start a Rose series. Have a B1G/Pac12 game every week for a 12 game series and count the games as conference games in the conference standings. If no network partners want the package, just simulcast on B1G and Pac12 Networks. They're always yacking that biz-speak about "branding"--what a branding opportunity, drawing on the long history of the Rose Bowl. Oh, well...

I think the B1G will move to 10 conference games eventually, and I think football will be better for it. I hate stupid, one-sided pay-for-play games.
 
TruDomGopher said:
The B1G has already had a lot of discussion on 10 game conference scheduling. It's been tabled but they plan to revisit the subject.

I actually wrote to Larry Scott and Delany with an idea I had, but not surprisingly I didn't even get a form letter in response from either one. This was way back when Scott had just got hired.

I figured with a Pac12 Network, the B1G and Pac12 should start a Rose series. Have a B1G/Pac12 game every week for a 12 game series and count the games as conference games in the conference standings. If no network partners want the package, just simulcast on B1G and Pac12 Networks. They're always yacking that biz-speak about "branding"--what a branding opportunity, drawing on the long history of the Rose Bowl. Oh, well...

I think the B1G will move to 10 conference games eventually, and I think football will be better for it. I hate stupid, one-sided pay-for-play games.
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The Big10 and the PAC almost had a series planned. It was in the works and some teams started scheduling each other in home and home games (Michigan and Utah are completing their home and home this season when Michigan goes to Utah). The PAC backed out and some feel that led to the admission of UMD and RU. I don't see it as that, but who knows?
 
TruDomGopher said:
I figured with a Pac12 Network, the B1G and Pac12 should start a Rose series. Have a B1G/Pac12 game every week for a 12 game series and count the games as conference games in the conference standings. If no network partners want the package, just simulcast on B1G and Pac12 Networks. They're always yacking that biz-speak about "branding"--what a branding opportunity, drawing on the long history of the Rose Bowl. Oh, well...
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This is an excellent idea. The B1G-Pac challenge, played out over a whole season. Would generate huge interest. Now that the major bowls are being eclipsed by the playoffs, this would be a great way to preserve the Rose traditions.
 
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Seaa Blue said:
I noticed a couple bouncers named Gor and Fee out front.
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Unfortunately, a guy named Mistake invited her in and can't find a way to get her out. He was entranced by her large cleavage . . . errrrrrrr . . . Boston's population, but found out she was stuffing her bra . . . errrrrrrr. . . relevance in Boston. Been trying to get rid of her since.
 
I think that the ACC made a mistake going into the northeast but that was the deal with Miami.
 
billybud said:
I think that the ACC made a mistake going into the northeast but that was the deal with Miami.
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Their mistake was to skip the large state U's in the Northeast. If the ACC had taken UCONN and Rutgers it would be the most stable league in the country behind the SEC. The Big Ten would be looking to get into the South and East and have very limited options that don't fit their profile. (BC, Cuse). Meanwhile, if the SEC wanted to steal anyone from the ACC, they'd likely get NC ST and or VTech, which wouldn't destroy the ACC at all.

I can't argue that UL wasn't a timely add, they needed some good football at the time. However, their venture into New York/New England was a comical error. If any decision will haunt the ACC, skipping Rutgers and UCONN will be it.
 
Hoophound said:
Their mistake was to skip the large state U's in the Northeast. If the ACC had taken UCONN and Rutgers it would be the most stable league in the country behind the SEC. The Big Ten would be looking to get into the South and East and have very limited options that don't fit their profile. (BC, Cuse). Meanwhile, if the SEC wanted to steal anyone from the ACC, they'd likely get NC ST and or VTech, which wouldn't destroy the ACC at all.

I can't argue that UL wasn't a timely add, they needed some good football at the time. However, their venture into New York/New England was a comical error. If any decision will haunt the ACC, skipping Rutgers and UCONN will be it.
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And that is why Swofford has to take a major hit: how could he believe that BC was going, to paraphrase DeFilippo, to be New England's school when BC can't even deliver the Boston market. Swofford also could have forced UConn with Syracuse for the 2nd raid but evidently capitulated and took Pitt.
 
The ACC and FSU wanted Miami...Miami had to have BC and Cuse as their price....

And Miami was hot at the time...12 win seasons in 2001 and 2002...two straight BCS championship games...five national football championships in 20 years.

Yes..Miami was a hottie in 2002.....the ACC would have taken FIU or Georgia Southern if Shalala had insisted.

Sometimes, after you pay many cattle for a comely young bride, she gets fat and waddles.
 
billybud said:
The ACC and FSU wanted Miami...Miami had to have BC and Cuse as their price....

And Miami was hot at the time...12 win seasons in 2001 and 2002...two straight BCS championship games...five national football championships in 20 years.

Yes..Miami was a hottie in 2002.....the ACC would have taken FIU or Georgia Southern if Shalala had insisted.

Sometimes, after you pay many cattle for a comely young bride, she gets fat and waddles.
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Get ready for obese Louisville.
 
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Louisville might put on a little weight...but they did finish AP Top 25. Something they have been pretty consistent , of late, in accomplishing.

Being pleasingly plump is OK. Not everyone can be a hottie.
 
billybud said:
Louisville might put on a little weight...but they did finish AP Top 25. Something they have been pretty consistent , of late, in accomplishing.

Being pleasingly plump is OK. Not everyone can be a hottie.
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Not everyone can, but the ACC is batting 1 for 5 with Big East additions - counting Va Tech as a success, and Louisville as a too early to tell. BC and Miami have regressed, Pitt is already regressing, Cuse football regressed years ago and basketball will decline as soon as Boeheim retires or earlier if the NCAA sanctions are severe. And Va Tech was the one the ACC didn't want.
 
UConn would have been a better football choice than Louisville?

Louisville might gain a little weight...but how much weight would UConn have to lose to finish AP Top 25 five or six times, win a couple of BCS Bowls (equivalent)?

That's the question when you ask...why Louisville?
 
billybud said:
UConn would have been a better football choice than Louisville?

Louisville might gain a little weight...but how much weight would UConn have to lose to finish AP Top 25 five or six times, win a couple of BCS Bowls (equivalent)?

That's the question when you ask...why Louisville?
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Over the next 50 years, UConn football will be better than Louisville football. We have a much bigger fan and resource base, and that will translate to the football program in time.

Just my opinion. No question Louisville football has outcompeted UConn football in recent years.
 
billybud said:
UConn would have been a better football choice than Louisville?

Louisville might gain a little weight...but how much weight would UConn have to lose to finish AP Top 25 five or six times, win a couple of BCS Bowls (equivalent)?

That's the question when you ask...why Louisville?
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When you say weight, do you mean ethical standards?
 
Teans go up and down...FSU and GT finished Top 10 and Clemson #15....some years Louisville will be in that mix, some not.

NC State, Virginia Tech, FSU, Duke, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Louisville have all finished in the AP Top 25 since 2010.

I suspect that we'll see Miami finish Top 25 again. Programs go up and down. BC finished in 2005, 06, and 07.

Regarding UConn's future, maybe they will surpass Louisville. Maybe not. Time and recruiting will tell.


What will be needed.

.....good athletes who can compete competitively with ranked teams.
....a good quarterback
....a coach who can inspire belief and recruit well
....games that will catch attention with a win
 
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pj said:
Over the next 50 years, UConn football will be better than Louisville football. We have a much bigger fan and resource base, and that will translate to the football program in time.

Just my opinion. No question Louisville football has outcompeted UConn football in recent years.
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True in the short term, but the ACC permanently sullied its decent academic reputation by throwing in with this joke of a school.
 
We all know how it works....But Louisville is spilled milk...it was the right move for a conference fighting for position at the football table in the BCS/P5.

Yesterday is past and gone...no sense in savoring butt hurt. It is the tomorrows that are of interest.
 
Waquoit said:
But so what?
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A conference needs some identity. The ACC had a decent academic reputation. They gave it up for short term gain. The SEC is known for football and always had been. The ACC will not compete with the SEC for football supremacy, so they should have maintained academic quality to counter the fixed identity of the SEC in the south. Say what you want about the B1G, but other than NW (which, as a private, is as good as it gets) they have the top public university in their respective states (and 2 in both Indiana and Michigan). You say so what? I guess they did too in Dec. 2012. I think they effed up big time and will haunt them.
 
Sea Goat said:
A conference needs some identity. The ACC had a decent academic reputation. They gave it up for short term gain. The SEC is known for football and always had been. The ACC will not compete with the SEC for football supremacy, so they should have maintained academic quality to counter the fixed identity of the SEC in the south. Say what you want about the B1G, but other than NW (which, as a private, is as good as it gets) they have the top public university in their respective states (and 2 in both Indiana and Michigan). You say so what? I guess they did too in Dec. 2012. I think they effed up big time and will haunt them.
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The way to build a strong conference is by putting together a group of like-minded similar universities that offer similar value propositions. ACC is one of the conferences with a mix of private and public universities. In the long term, it will be its downfall. UNC and UVA don't have much similarity with schools like Wake and BCU. B1G, at least, got it right by sticking with major state universities. This is also why B12 will fail as well with schools all over the place (see WVU).
 
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billybud said:
UConn would have been a better football choice than Louisville?

Louisville might gain a little weight...but how much weight would UConn have to lose to finish AP Top 25 five or six times, win a couple of BCS Bowls (equivalent)?

That's the question when you ask...why Louisville?
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Nah that's the question you ask. The question I ask is did the ACC reveal itself as being unprincipled and desperate by taking a glorified community college into it's conference?

Time will tell if Louisville was a better choice than UConn.
 
LOL...unprincipled and desperate?

That is surely a UConn take....not the take of the rest of the country. And it is the echo of hurt and disappointment.
 
Was it not the triumph of football principles over academic principles?
 
It was an athletic conference win. What academic principles?

If you mean the same tea sniffing principles that made it difficult for FSU to break into the ACC..maybe.

Will Duke, UNC, Virginia, Wake, Miami, VT all get USNWR downgrades on academic ratings for playing Louisville?
 
billybud said:
Will Duke, UNC, Virginia, Wake, Miami, VT all get USNWR downgrades on academic ratings for playing Louisville?
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Maybe, in time. Birds of a feather flock together.
 
There is more than a hint of unmitigated stupidity oozing from the passages posted here by Melville's character. We need Captain Vere. No question it will be a fair prosecution this time!
 
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