The Athletic Mock NBA Draft: Hawkins #26, Jackson #37

[superjohn]

If this is a much deeper and more versatile team then we should expect more production from the other 6-7 guys in the rotation and not need to be so reliant on those two.

Or we need 2-3 other guys capable of being the go to guy when called for.



He doesn’t need to be. Jackson can probably jump to 10. Newton can get 10-12, Alleyne averaged just under 10 in the ACC.

We could have 4 guys averaging double figures. It wouldn’t be the first time.

we’ve almost always had two guys that combine to average 28+.

It can, and likely will happen; but it doesn’t mean we’ll get where we want to be.

I disagree with you, we should be relying on our best players. Those other guys should provide more than the role players we had those other seasons you referenced.

We have a go to down low scorer and we need a go to perimeter scorer. We weren't a tournament team those other seasons and the last two seasons we were a Big East semifinal team and a first round exit in the NCAA's. That's not good enough, we shouldn't be aspiring to be like any of those teams.

 

[BGesus4]

I disagree with you, we should be relying on our best players. Those other guys should provide more than the role players we had those other seasons you referenced.

We have a go to down low scorer and we need a go to perimeter scorer. We weren't a tournament team those other seasons and the last two seasons we were a Big East semifinal team and a first round exit in the NCAA's. That's not good enough, we shouldn't be aspiring to be like any of those teams.

I agree with this for the most part. We need a perimeter player who’s ability to create their own offense off the double draws multiple defenders (similar to what Sanogo does but on the perimeter). Without that, it’s too easy to stall our offense. Hopefully that role can be filled by one of: Andre with an improved scoring package off the dribble, Hawkins with an improved driving game, and/or Newton,

 

[BlueMAB]

I disagree with you, we should be relying on our best players.

Didn’t say we shouldn’t rely on our best players. Teams usually do.

We have a go to down low scorer and we need a go to perimeter scorer.

Apparently we have 2-3 go to perimeter scorers.

We weren't a tournament team those other seasons

But we still had guys that combined to average 30, and didn’t get where we wanted to.

and the last two seasons we were a Big East semifinal team and a first round exit in the NCAA's.

With two guys averaging 30+. That’s my point.

That's not good enough, we shouldn't be aspiring to be like any of those teams.

I didn’t say we should. If we don’t get production from other guys it won’t matter and we won’t get where we want to be. We’ve had (usually have) what people keep saying we need. It doesn’t guarantee anything.

Saying we need guys who can score to win games is like saying we’ll never win if we don’t score more than the other team.

 

[BlueMAB]

Hopefully that role can be filled by one of: Andre with an improved scoring package off the dribble, Hawkins with an improved driving game, and/or Newton,

This is the way the argument should be presented.

Picking arbitrary numbers for them to average as if that means we’ll get where we want doesn’t make any sense.

 

[superjohn]

Didn’t say we shouldn’t rely on our best players. Teams usually do.

Apparently we have 2-3 go to perimeter scorers.

But we still had guys that combined to average 30, and didn’t get where we wanted to.

With two guys averaging 30+. That’s my point.

I didn’t say we should. If we don’t get production from other guys it won’t matter and we won’t get where we want to be. We’ve had (usually have) what people keep saying we need. It doesn’t guarantee anything.

Saying we need guys who can score to win games is like saying we’ll never win if we don’t score more than the other team.

This is a boring exercise, again I disagree with you.

I think because we're deeper and more versatile we should be/will be better.

I agree with the poster you replied to that we need to get 30+ from our two most talented scorers, Sanogo and Hawkins.

 

[UconnU]

The only people who think Sanogo is an NBA prospect inhabit this message board.

I think he’ll reach the point where he’s so productive in college that even if his skill set doesn’t totally translate he’ll be given a shot as like a 2nd round pick. DeJuan Blair is a good comp he was drafted 2nd round played 4 years in the league for good spurs teams.

 

[BlueMAB]

This is a boring exercise, again I disagree with you.

I think because we're deeper and more versatile we should be/will be better.

I agree with the poster you replied to that we need to get 30+ from our two most talented scorers, Sanogo and Hawkins.

Odd to disagree with the fact that we often have two players combine to average 30 points or more without the team getting where we want it to be. Only need to go back to 2021-2022 to find the last time that happened.

But what would this place be if posters didn't routinely ignore the facts that don't support their opinion?

Even more boring.

 

[superjohn]

Odd to disagree with the fact that we often have two players combine to average 30 points or more without the team getting where we want it to be. Only need to go back to 2021-2022 to find the last time that happened.

But what would this place be if posters didn't routinely ignore the facts that don't support their opinion?

Even more boring.

I never disagreed with that point and explained multiple times why that point doesn't matter.

I think we need those points from our two most talented scorers and it has nothing to do with our teams from 2017-2018 on. I told you some of the reasons why I think this team should be/will be better.

I can't help you with your reading comprehension so it became a boring exercise.

 

[Deleted at users request]

I think he’ll reach the point where he’s so productive in college that even if his skill set doesn’t totally translate he’ll be given a shot as like a 2nd round pick. DeJuan Blair is a good comp he was drafted 2nd round played 4 years in the league for good spurs teams.

I think if you look at whenever/where Kofi Cockburn got drafted, you’ll get Sanogo’s range. He just doesn’t have NBA measurable unfortunately. Think he can go hold his own with a Embiid, Jokic, Giannas, etc.?

He should be a terrific 4 year college player for us. But a 6’9 center that needs the ball and is not a long range shooter is not ideal for the NBA currently imo.

 

[navery12]

I think if you look at whenever/where Kofi Cockburn got drafted, you’ll get Sanogo’s range. He just doesn’t have NBA measurable unfortunately. Think he can go hold his own with a Embiid, Jokic, Giannas, etc.?

He should be a terrific 4 year college player for us. But a 6’9 center that needs the ball and is not a long range shooter is not ideal for the NBA currently imo.

Another thing we agree on! Although I'll point out that despte Kofi not being on NBA radars and going undrafted, he did leave after his junior year like people are suggesting Adama will

 

[Palatine]

The NBA draft has little to do with college production.

Players are picked based on the projected potential. That's why there are only a few seniors selected in the first round. If Dre has to come back for his senior year that probably pushes him into the second round.

 

[Deleted at users request]

Another thing we agree on! Although I'll point out that despte Kofi not being on NBA radars and going undrafted, he did leave after his junior year like people are suggesting Adama will

I could see him making that decision even if it wouldn’t particularly be a good one. May just want to get to the money already. At minimum he’d be one of the best bigs overseas.

Hopefully we keep agreeing on more things once the season comes for the right reasons.

 

[HuskyHawk]

I think if you look at whenever/where Kofi Cockburn got drafted, you’ll get Sanogo’s range. He just doesn’t have NBA measurable unfortunately. Think he can go hold his own with a Embiid, Jokic, Giannas, etc.?

He should be a terrific 4 year college player for us. But a 6’9 center that needs the ball and is not a long range shooter is not ideal for the NBA currently imo.

I think he’s both more athletic and more skilled than Kofi. But he’s going to need to show that.

 

[Huskyforlife]

I think if you look at whenever/where Kofi Cockburn got drafted, you’ll get Sanogo’s range. He just doesn’t have NBA measurable unfortunately. Think he can go hold his own with a Embiid, Jokic, Giannas, etc.?

He should be a terrific 4 year college player for us. But a 6’9 center that needs the ball and is not a long range shooter is not ideal for the NBA currently imo.

I think he’s good matchup defensively for those guys. It’s on offense where he can’t hang. You need girth to deal with them, of which sanogo has plenty.

 

[Deleted at users request]

I think he’s both more athletic and more skilled than Kofi. But he’s going to need to show that.

Definitely agree. I just saw Kofi is a 7’ too so maybe not the best comparison.

 

[ToolzieFan]

Definitely agree. I just saw Kofi is a 7’ too so maybe not the best comparison.

Kofi is apparently playing in Japan this year. It looks like some players can earn around $1 million in that league, with most players making a few hundred thousand. It’s crazy how much the NBA has changed that an All-American center has no place in the league.

 

[Deleted at users request]

Kofi is apparently playing in Japan this year. It looks like some players can earn around $1 million in that league, with most players making a few hundred thousand. It’s crazy how much the NBA has changed that an All-American center has no place in the league.

Unless you’re a rebounding and rim protecting savant like Gobert or Jarrett Allen, you have to be able to shoot. It’s crazy.

 

[Improviser]

Kofi is apparently playing in Japan this year. It looks like some players can earn around $1 million in that league, with most players making a few hundred thousand. It’s crazy how much the NBA has changed that an All-American center has no place in the league.

 

[Improviser]

Above and below is from Google Translate.

 

[ToolzieFan]

Above and below is from Google Translate.

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Thanks. There was a translate button on the tweet itself that I used. I didn’t see anything about contract terms yet. I assume he’ll be one of the highest-paid players.

I hope Adama makes the NBA, but I think he’ll make solid money either way.

 

[Brandon86]

This is a boring exercise, again I disagree with you.

I think because we're deeper and more versatile we should be/will be better.

I agree with the poster you replied to that we need to get 30+ from our two most talented scorers, Sanogo and Hawkins.

Agreed! You want your team to be a Swiss Army knife. Not to have designated scorers. That makes it easier for teams to defend you.

 

[CL82]

The only people who think Sanogo is an NBA prospect inhabit this message board.

Well, wait till they see how well he runs the point for us this season.