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Message: [QUOTE="btstimpy, post: 2549182, member: 2673"] Wake Forest has 8 NCAA team championships in 4 different sports. Wake Forest is 8-4 in bowl games, and defeated Texas A&M last month. Wake Forest is 28-23 in the NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament with 23 appearances including 2017. These are not laughing stock records. Wake Forest would probably not be invited to the ACC today not because of the quality of their athletics programs, but because of their size and television not wanting too many teams from the same state. Having 4 teams from North Carolina was good in 1953, but it would not be the approach today. But Rutgers has a long way to go to put together an athletics department of the quality of Wake Forest. [/QUOTE]