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That committee is all over the place

uconngb said:
Duke lost SEVEN games in conference and finished FIFTH in their conference. I get they had a great run in the tourney, but the regular season has to count for something. I would not have them higher than a 3 seed.
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They had 8 top 25 wins and 4 more top 50 wins. I think getting a 2 seed was the penalty for having the 8 losses overall.
 
kobe said:
They had 8 top 25 wins and 4 more top 50 wins. I think getting a 2 seed was the penalty for having the 8 losses overall.
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This is typical different rules applying to Duke and they are overseeded, as always. I'm sorry, but you can't just marginalized the entire reagular season. They finished FIFTH in their conference. FIFTH. They lost 7 conference games. I understand they had a lot of top 50 wins, but they also lost to Georgia Tech at home. And Syracuse, who is not a tournament team and has an RPI of 84. I said they deserve a 3 seed at best, so maybe we're splitting hairs, but they ALWAYS get the benefit of the doubt. It's a friggin joke, but that's just the way it is and will always be. And of course they'll get knocked out early again, so at least we have that to look forward to.
 
uconngb said:
This is typical different rules applying to Duke and they are overseeded, as always. I'm sorry, but you can't just marginalized the entire reagular season. They finished FIFTH in their conference. FIFTH. They lost 7 conference games. I understand they had a lot of top 50 wins, but they also lost to Georgia Tech at home. And Syracuse, who is not a tournament team and has an RPI of 84. I said they deserve a 3 seed at best, so maybe we're splitting hairs, but they ALWAYS get the benefit of the doubt. It's a friggin joke, but that's just the way it is and will always be. And of course they'll get knocked out early again, so at least we have that to look forward to.
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Correction, meant NC State loss at home...but same difference.
 
uconngb said:
This is typical different rules applying to Duke and they are overseeded, as always. I'm sorry, but you can't just marginalized the entire reagular season. They finished FIFTH in their conference. FIFTH. They lost 7 conference games. I understand they had a lot of top 50 wins, but they also lost to Georgia Tech at home. And Syracuse, who is not a tournament team and has an RPI of 84. I said they deserve a 3 seed at best, so maybe we're splitting hairs, but they ALWAYS get the benefit of the doubt. It's a friggin joke, but that's just the way it is and will always be. And of course they'll get knocked out early again, so at least we have that to look forward to.
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If we can finish ninth in 2011 and get a three seed, Duke can finish fifth this year and get a two.

The problem I have is that you can't overlook Duke finishing fifth and then reward UNC for winning the regular season title, especially in a conference where the schedules are so imbalanced. Their resume becomes suspect under further scrutiny - only one of their top 50 wins came on the road (@ #40 Wake) and all five of their top 25 wins came at home. They lost on a neutral court to two teams seeded below them and they lost two games to teams that did not make the tournament.

Duke winning @ Notre Dame and @ Virginia carries more weight to me, in addition to their wins over Florida, Louisville, UNC, Rhode Island, and Notre Dame on neutral courts. That, in addition to their injuries, makes them a one seed in my opinion.
 
uconngb said:
This is typical different rules applying to Duke and they are overseeded, as always. I'm sorry, but you can't just marginalized the entire reagular season. They finished FIFTH in their conference. FIFTH. They lost 7 conference games. I understand they had a lot of top 50 wins, but they also lost to Georgia Tech at home. And Syracuse, who is not a tournament team and has an RPI of 84. I said they deserve a 3 seed at best, so maybe we're splitting hairs, but they ALWAYS get the benefit of the doubt. It's a friggin joke, but that's just the way it is and will always be. And of course they'll get knocked out early again, so at least we have that to look forward to.
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There is no weight given to the place you finish in the conference especially with the unbalanced schedules. Duke had the 3rd hardest schedule in the ACC while UNC who finished 1st had the 12th hardest. Duke played all 8 of the other NCAA tournament teams on the road (plus Syracuse) while UNC only played 4 of the 8. That's why the standings are irrelevant. Remember UConn finished 9th in the Big East and got a 3 seed after winning the conference tournament.

I think Duke cost themselves the 1 seed by losing to NC State at home and that neutral game against Kansas. Had they won those two, they'd clearly be a 1 seed to me.
 
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champs99and04 said:
If we can finish ninth in 2011 and get a three seed, Duke can finish fifth this year and get a two.

The problem I have is that you can't overlook Duke finishing fifth and then reward UNC for winning the regular season title, especially in a conference where the schedules are so imbalanced. Their resume becomes suspect under further scrutiny - only one of their top 50 wins came on the road (@ #40 Wake) and all five of their top 25 wins came at home. They lost on a neutral court to two teams seeded below them and they lost two games to teams that did not make the tournament.

Duke winning @ Notre Dame and @ Virginia carries more weight to me, in addition to their wins over Florida, Louisville, UNC, Rhode Island, and Notre Dame on neutral courts. That, in addition to their injuries, makes them a one seed in my opinion.
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I can't believe anyone outside of a Dook fan would devote time to arguing for a better seed. They've got at least 30 years of favorable tourney matchups, seedings, locations etc.. To nitpick over a 1 vs a 2 seed for poor Dook is crazy town. UNC griping esp given that they should be on probation is warranted.
 
BlueDogs said:
Its all about the P5....end of story. Check this out: Illinois St. coach challenges power conference teams after Tourney snub
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P5 + 1

The current system sucks. The only way to fix this is to start from scratch. Which will never happen. The NCAA since it's a voluntary association never set level playing field rules like professional leagues do.

The Ideal NCAA (I'm walking into Utopia right now)

(1) Regional conferences only
(2) No more than 8 members per conference
(3) Two auto-bids per conferences
(4) No at-large bids
(5) Salary cap for administrators
(6) TV airtime shared among members of conferences equally

Just removing the at-large bid and making auto-bids equally distributed across conferences would return parity to the NCAA Division I because players will choose to play in a good mid-major that will make the tourney rather than a crappy team in major conference as they do now.

Of course, I'm crazy to even write this down. There is absolutely no chance of this ever happening. This would be as close to amateurism and fairness as it can get
 
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uconngb said:
Duke lost SEVEN games in conference and finished FIFTH in their conference. I get they had a great run in the tourney, but the regular season has to count for something. I would not have them higher than a 3 seed.
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Sounds like our 2011 resume but better. We were a 3 seed.
 
ecasadoSBU said:
P5 + 1

The current system sucks. The only way to fix this is to start from scratch. Which will never happen. The NCAA since it's a voluntary association never set level playing field rules like professional leagues do.

The Ideal NCAA (I'm walking into Utopia right now)

(1) Regional conferences only
(2) No more than 8 members per conference
(3) Two auto-bids per conferences
(4) No at-large bids
(5) Salary cap for administrators
(6) TV airtime shared among members of conferences equally

Just removing the at-large bid and making auto-bids equally distributed across conferences would return parity to the NCAA Division I because players will choose to play in a good mid-major that will make the tourney rather than a crappy team in major conference as they do now.

Of course, I'm crazy to even write this down. There is absolutely no chance of this ever happening. This would be as close to amateurism and fairness as it can get
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If you limit conferences to 8 teams and give 2 autobids per conference that is like 90 autobids....
 
whaler11 said:
3 mid majors got at large bids.

2 play each other - the third plays the best mid-major in the country.

What a wild coincidence!
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This is my issue, complain about the seeds all you want but the difference between a 4/5/6 is negligible, but the way the committee always pits good mid majors against each other is infuriating.
 
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People, it's Dook.....everything is always slanted in their favor. Where have you been the last 30 years???
 
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