Texas AD: "The programs outside the P5 aren't pulling their weight."

[upstater]

Don't have the time or inclination, but it would be interesting to see where UCONN's revenues would be if they the same TV payout as each of the P5 conferences and where that would rank us.

Add $20m to $70m in the ACC and B12...
Add $35m to $70m in the SEC and B1G...

 

[BoatShow]

Can't wait to pull our weight against their hoops team in Storrs.

 

[chitown76]

UConn don't pull its weight they just beat the hell out of the power 5 every year in basketball and are the most successful program in the last decade in basketball don't worry your time will come UConn hopefully by next summer.

 

[arnie3]

That's the rub.

The haves can point over our heads at the have-nots, but the machinery set in motion will chew us up just the same. Texas Southern, for example, doesn't really have anything to lose in this whole kerfuffle, but the high-revenue/high-expense club outside of the P5 certainly does.

It's not a good spot.

That's pretty much the state of the NCAA Div 1 outside of the P5. The P5 wants to be set up for a non-fail situation. If you're in fine. If you're on the outside not so much. The Big XII had a near disaster when 4 schools left, and they (mostly meaning TX and OK Presidents) have come out swinging. But seriously what have they gotten in return- TCU and WVU? They're defending a losing position. Unfortunately they are doing it from a power position. This is almost like a Seinfeld Bizarro episode. Unfortunately, it's not funny.

 

[tduconn]

Pulling weight I think references football only.

I whole heartedly agree UConn has had success in many of its non revenue sports, thanks to the undivided commitment of its athletes. Unfortunately, many of these do not draw large viewing audiances outside of friends and family........and that's a shame.
And it won't mean much in any conference realignment talk.

A few years ago an antagonistic AD from the northeast institution stated football brings in 85% of the sports revenue.....the advertising dollars flock to most of America's #1 sport at the pro and college level. An the NC in FB will accelerate that income.
UConn definitely does not pull its weight in football. We can toot our horn, deservedly so, at the men's BB success. And despite WBB's successes, there are not many institutions with a large WBB fan base or interest.

We have to be careful who we criticize as "bottom feeders" of P-5 conferences....and who pulls their weight.

I didn't know much about Vanderbilt until my niece (UConn '12) received an academic scholarship to their medical school. Despite their SEC recruiting disadvantages in the "major sports" because of academic requirements, their baseball team has sent many players to the majors, and won the NCAA World Series this year. Franklin turned their football program into being a legitimate competitor in the SEC, and this year their recruited class is "the best ever".

Fans of P-5 programs may read this board, and I wouldn't want our fans "sometimes un-informed" opinions of certain schools in P-5 conferences turn a possible "yes" vote to a "no" vote in a realignment scenario. To some, what may be perceived as an "arrogant attitude" may do as much damage "in the background" as the success or lack of success on a field or court.

 

[businesslawyer]

Good grief. Maybe instead of going to sleep tonight, I should just be complaining that Texas isn't pulling it's weight in men's or women's basketball, and I'm sick and tired of their freeloading on my success.

As younger people text, FOH. Sheesh.

 

[Calamitous]

Pulling weight I think references football only.

I whole heartedly agree UConn has had success in many of its non revenue sports, thanks to the undivided commitment of its athletes. Unfortunately, many of these do not draw large viewing audiances outside of friends and family...and that's a shame.
And it won't mean much in any conference realignment talk.

A few years ago an antagonistic AD from the northeast institution stated football brings in 85% of the sports revenue.....the advertising dollars flock to most of America's #1 sport at the pro and college level. An the NC in FB will accelerate that income.
UConn definitely does not pull its weight in football. We can toot our horn, deservedly so, at the men's BB success. And despite WBB's successes, there are not many institutions with a large WBB fan base or interest.

We have to be careful who we criticize as "bottom feeders" of P-5 conferences....and who pulls their weight.

I didn't know much about Vanderbilt until my niece (UConn '12) received an academic scholarship to their medical school. Despite their SEC recruiting disadvantages in the "major sports" because of academic requirements, their baseball team has sent many players to the majors, and won the NCAA World Series this year. Franklin turned their football program into being a legitimate competitor in the SEC, and this year their recruited class is "the best ever".

Fans of P-5 programs may read this board, and I wouldn't want our fans "sometimes un-informed" opinions of certain schools in P-5 conferences turn a possible "yes" vote to a "no" vote in a realignment scenario. To some, what may be perceived as an "arrogant attitude" may do as much damage "in the background" as the success or lack of success on a field or court.

I agree to some extent, but there are 15 to 20 non-P5 universities that can make a claim that they are as good, or better than mid-level and low-level P5 schools in football. Your Huskies have been to a BCS bowl and won the Big East several times in your relatively short FBS level football status. With the exception of last year, UConn typically has better football than Wake, UVa, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Kansas, ISU, Kentucky, California and Colorado recently. It's not so much arrogance that I see as it is pure frustration on the Husky fans (and Bearcat, BYU Cougar, BSU Bronco fans...) part being left out of the party. I think many have the right to complain, but I do get your point.

I have some good experience knowing what it is like having your school being passed over for others time after time. You get frustrated and start hating particular conferences because of the exclusion. Like Husky fans, I used to loathe the ACC, but they eventually came around after 50+ years and 6 or more rejections and allowed my school in (note my school forced it's way in and it wasn't pretty).

And as for message board talk, I would hope things said on here wouldn't reflect badly on UConn to the B1G or ACC. University Presidents and their BOT make the big decisions with some added input from influential ADs and high-level coaches. This board is mostly civil with a few belligerent ones... but that's every message board.

 

[upstater]

Pulling weight I think references football only.

I whole heartedly agree UConn has had success in many of its non revenue sports, thanks to the undivided commitment of its athletes. Unfortunately, many of these do not draw large viewing audiances outside of friends and family...and that's a shame.
And it won't mean much in any conference realignment talk.

A few years ago an antagonistic AD from the northeast institution stated football brings in 85% of the sports revenue.....the advertising dollars flock to most of America's #1 sport at the pro and college level. An the NC in FB will accelerate that income.
UConn definitely does not pull its weight in football. We can toot our horn, deservedly so, at the men's BB success. And despite WBB's successes, there are not many institutions with a large WBB fan base or interest.

We have to be careful who we criticize as "bottom feeders" of P-5 conferences....and who pulls their weight.

I didn't know much about Vanderbilt until my niece (UConn '12) received an academic scholarship to their medical school. Despite their SEC recruiting disadvantages in the "major sports" because of academic requirements, their baseball team has sent many players to the majors, and won the NCAA World Series this year. Franklin turned their football program into being a legitimate competitor in the SEC, and this year their recruited class is "the best ever".

Fans of P-5 programs may read this board, and I wouldn't want our fans "sometimes un-informed" opinions of certain schools in P-5 conferences turn a possible "yes" vote to a "no" vote in a realignment scenario. To some, what may be perceived as an "arrogant attitude" may do as much damage "in the background" as the success or lack of success on a field or court.

Somehow UConn makes it to $70m athletic budget.

UConn also played Vandy in recent years, twice. Franklin is now gone. I don't think there's much of a difference between UConn and the bottom 50% of any conference, except maybe the SEC. All these schools get 3 star level players and try to develop them.

But let's step outside talking about UConn and consider the teams that have had more success than UConn at football, like BYU, UCF, Cincy, Boise St.

 

[upstater]

He brings socialism into the discussion. Do the P5 share any money with these conferences? The money is all going to the P5.

What the heck is he talking about anyway? How is Texas subsidizing SMU?

 

[Calamitous]

Somehow UConn makes it to $70m athletic budget.

UConn also played Vandy in recent years, twice. Franklin is now gone. I don't think there's much of a difference between UConn and the bottom 50% of any conference, except maybe the SEC. All these schools get 3 star level players and try to develop them.

But let's step outside talking about UConn and consider the teams that have had more success than UConn at football, like BYU, UCF, Cincy, Boise St.

You can almost discard the SEC from any equation in football. They are in a league of their own. The rabid fanbases would never allow for subpar football except for Kentucky and most of the time Vandy.

 

[pj]

He brings socialism into the discussion. Do the P5 share any money with these conferences? The money is all going to the P5.

What the heck is he talking about anyway? How is Texas subsidizing SMU?

Maybe he is referring to how basketball revenues subsidize non-revenue sports championships, so that the basketball schools end up subsidizing the football schools.

 

[Husky25]

UConn's non-revenue generating sports are pulling more weight than Texas at Austin in things that at actually matter.