Temple can do it but UCan't?

[RSTuthill]

It's a fair point. You'd like to think that a State U would be able to have a better football program than friggin Temple. Inexcusable.
Of course it doesn't help when Coach P doesn't give Matkevitch the time of day when the kid is in our back yard - and then he goes to Temple and is a beast for years and then plays for the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Admissions wouldn't admit him supposedly.

 

[UConnJim]

Al Golden built the foundation of the program, but after Temple left (booted) the Big East and took a step down in competition. Temple went from playing 5 to 7 current P5 teams to 1 the year after Golden took over. The turnaround would not have been as quick if Temple had been in the Big East.

His first year, 2006, he went 1-11 and played 5 current P5 teams. In 2009, Temple's first winning season since 1990 when he went 9-4, he played 1 P5 team and lost to 1-AA Villanova.

Golden's record:

Against current P5 schools: 0-10
Against ranked opponents: 0-6
Against 1AA schools: 1-1

Addazio followed Golden. His first year in 2011, he went 9-5 against similar competition as Golden. In 2012, Temple rejoined the Big East/American and faced much harder competition with 6 current P5 schools and Temple ended up going 4-7. (He did beat UConn in 2OT 17-14.) Same thing happened to Rhule. He faced a tough schedule and went 2-10 his first year losing to a 1AA school. Then the Rhule turnaround started as he went 6-6 in year 2.

Turnarounds take time. I think UConn's roster has the most talent they have had under RE 2.0, but the inexperience at QB, unfortunately, pushed the turnaround back another year. If Pindell was still around this year, the perception of the turnaround would be different.

 

[Pudge]

Al Golden built the foundation of the program, but after Temple left (booted) the Big East and took a step down in competition. Temple went from playing 5 to 7 current P5 teams to 1 the year after Golden took over. The turnaround would not have been as quick if Temple had been in the Big East.

His first year, 2006, he went 1-11 and played 5 current P5 teams. In 2009, Temple's first winning season since 1990 when he went 9-4, he played 1 P5 team and lost to 1-AA Villanova.

Golden's record:

Against current P5 schools: 0-10
Against ranked opponents: 0-6
Against 1AA schools: 1-1

Addazio followed Golden. His first year in 2011, he went 9-5 against similar competition as Golden. In 2012, Temple rejoined the Big East/American and faced much harder competition with 6 current P5 schools and Temple ended up going 4-7. (He did beat UConn in 2OT 17-14.) Same thing happened to Rhule. He faced a tough schedule and went 2-10 his first year losing to a 1AA school. Then the Rhule turnaround started as he went 6-6 in year 2.

Turnarounds take time. I think UConn's roster has the most talent they have had under RE 2.0, but the inexperience at QB, unfortunately, pushed the turnaround back another year. If Pindell was still around this year, the perception of the turnaround would be different.

Excellent Post

 

[Orioles]

Not defending PP, because he was the beginning of the end of UConn Football, but remember, Coach Calhoun didn't offer Ryan Gomes a scholarship. Recruiting is not a perfect science...

 

[Bongo Fury]

Not defending PP, because he was the beginning of the end of UConn Football, but remember, Coach Calhoun didn't offer Ryan Gomes a scholarship. Recruiting is not a perfect science...

Also may have been a case as with a few other CT kids that Temple admitted and UCONN would not.

 

[gioff2323]

Admissions wouldn't admit him supposedly.

not sure any of the temple ct connection would’ve been admitted. I go back to dobbs thru Wright

 

[Adios]

Hire a MAC head coach. We've missed out already on that simple strategy.

 

[weyuo]

I'm going to make this post interesting and ask why you felt the need to change your font.

My font is usually Georgia. Always liked this font. Been using it for years and years.

 

[gioff2323]

Hire a MAC head coach. We've missed out already on that simple strategy.

you’re a successful MAC coach ready for the jump. You heading to UConn or holding out for a P5 rebuild? While you may be right, I think we missed out on that route with our path to uncharted waters

 

[BlueDogs]

Location location location. You play home games in a NFL stadium, reside in the same city, not to mention, it's a football state. Took your lumps 10 years ago and eventually got things rolling and haven't looked back. Please don't pitch there's good football in CT too. Fact is we're still not at the same level as what goes on in PA. I think we had too many "knowitalls" at the top here in Storrs that ruined what was being built here. They actually sabotaged things (looking wayyy too far ahead when we still had a lot of work to do)

Temple is a cesspool and hasn’t been a good program for most of its history. Tulane played at the Superdome and sits in Grade A recruiting territory and was trash most it’s existence. None of it holds water. No, We simply screwed it up.

 

[noeynox]

Back when Temple got booted out of the Big East they were simply not investing in the program. UConn similarly is not investing the program. Paying a HC 1 million and the coordinators about 700k, combined, well you get what you paid for.

 

[huskysupporter]

If we are not going to admit the kids Temple does because we think we are above them, then we will repeatedly fall below them. Look at their front 7 (all of whom can play on Sunday) and ask yourself how many of them would have gotten past the nimrods in the admissions office.

This times a million. Lots of things wrong with this program: Last 3 coaching hires could not have been worse, honestly. Terrible decision to go to basketball conference leaves football out to dry. Coaching salaries scream small time.

But if we loosened academic requirements a tad we could eventually field a competitive team. Great facilities.

Don’t have to take every questionable academic player, but what about 30%? Would have been sweet to have some of the players that wanted to come here but couldn’t get in. All conference type players and even an all American linebacker.

 

[Pudge]

you’re a successful MAC coach ready for the jump. You heading to UConn or holding out for a P5 rebuild? While you may be right, I think we missed out on that route with our path to uncharted waters

do the math

There aren’t that many P5 Programs that want solid MAC HCs. If you are 7-9 win MAC, there are few P5 contracts. UConn is still a payday increase of $400-700k.

 

[AAC Guru]

Tulsa up 34-31 on UCF with 5 minutes to play.

 

[metsfan2323]

I think UConn's roster has the most talent they have had under RE 2.0, but the inexperience at QB, unfortunately, pushed the turnaround back another year. If Pindell was still around this year, the perception of the turnaround would be different.

Yup, this in a nutshell is why Edsall deserves and will likely get another year.

 

[GridironGR8]

UCan. We just haven't made the right decisions yet.

 

[ktuck911]

They have also created an identity too. Temple is going to hit you and push you around. They are going to play physical. It works because Temple is never going to be able to recruit at the level of talent that the FL and TX schools do. They can however out effort and play physically to offset that.

We used to do this. Not so long ago. Bad decisions by the powers that be got us back to square one unfortunately

 

[MustangMan]

It's a fair point. You'd like to think that a State U would be able to have a better football program than friggin Temple. Inexcusable.
Of course it doesn't help when Coach P doesn't give Matkevitch the time of day when the kid is in our back yard - and then he goes to Temple and is a beast for years and then plays for the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Temple is a State U. It has the advantage of being in a football hotbed vs New England.

Go to a recruiting site like 247 Sports and count how many players from CT go to FBS programs. UConn has slim pickings to choose from after the P5 schools raid the state.

2018 Top Football Recruits in Connecticut

The 247Sports rankings are determined by our recruiting analysts after countless hours of personal observations, film evaluation and input from our network of scouts.

247sports.com

7 of the Top 22 players in the state went to FCS schools.

In Texas, Tennessee, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida, there are plenty of good FBS players left to choose from after the P5 schools take their pick.

 

[Buffett10]

It's a fair point. You'd like to think that a State U would be able to have a better football program than friggin Temple. Inexcusable.
Of course it doesn't help when Coach P doesn't give Matkevitch the time of day when the kid is in our back yard - and then he goes to Temple and is a beast for years and then plays for the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Tyler’s grades prevented P from recruiting him. But don’t let facts get in the way.

 

[metsfan2323]

Tyler’s grades prevented P from recruiting him. But don’t let facts get in the way.

Are these the facts? I don't remember grades out of Milford Academy being the issue. I remember P just not thinking he was good enough.

 

[huskysupporter]

So essentially:

1. Hire new staff: offensive minded head coach from lower level that has successful head coaching experience. Somehow convince inept athletic department to add significantly to coaching salary pool. Hire a few assistants that are dynamic, enthusiastic recruiters.

2. Relax admission standards for 35% of incoming recruits. Put a plan in place for academic support and monitoring to make sure student athletes are performing well.

3. Hire recruiting coordinator with a vision for areas of recruitment within area. Focus recruiting budget on these areas and stop recruiting west coast.

 

[RSTuthill]

Put a plan in place for academic support and monitoring to make sure student athletes are performing well.

I do not have first hand knowledge, but I am quite sure that has long been in place. At this level, all schools have this aspect fully developed.