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OkaForPrez said:
Exactly, 35% on the season 43% in wins 26% in losses. It's not an aberration, its the trend of the entire year. When we shoot well from deep we win, when we don't we lose.
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The difference between our season average (35%) and last night (45%) over the 20 shots we took is 2 makes, or 6 points. We won by 8...
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, but some people are simply pointing out that this team has looked good at various points in the season, and all the talk about "they've turned a corner" and "they're making progress" went out the window as soon as they took the court in the next game. So those people are simply recognizing that. You would prefer to, again, regard last night as proof that they now "get it." Cool, different strokes.
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My commentary was about people who would argue that a win over Temple would satisfy them more than the win over SMU, as I had mentioned in the original post. I think that kind of stance is both illogical and funny at the same time. Either you see that the team is coming together and showing more energy and having more fun, or you don't. To specifically point out the Temple game is comical...
 
UConnDan97 said:
The difference between our season average (35%) and last night (45%) over the 20 shots we took is 2 makes, or 6 points. We won by 8...
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Well my first counterpoint would be missed threes turn into run outs and points for your opponent. Let's say the Boat end of shot clock desperation three and the Purvis hit every part of the rim, the backboard and then falls 3 are the two that bring us down to the average. That's two live ball rebounds that could easily turn into a run out for SMU. Not totally inconceivable to call that an 8 point swing. And the way we were falling apart against the press, if the game is a bit tighter do we fold?

2nd Counter-point. I did give you the actual splits between our wins and losses, so if you want to do the comparison, make it reflect our average 3pt% in our losses and this game too is a loss. The fact that we have such a large variance in our outside shooting is why we can look great one night and not so great another.

But its obviously not that simple, if we had data on good threes vs. bad threes it would look a lot different. Not all looks are created equal. Yesterday we took a lot of threes off of penetration and even got Boat a couple good looks on off-ball curls. We were getting to the rim which allowed us to collapse the defense and kick back.

If anything, my whole point here is to say, I don't think we've executed all that poorly a lot of the season. I think some of what were doing can look exceptional when the shots go in and horrific when they don't. Call it a bull whip effect: The actual variance in our execution is the handle, the variance in our shooting is the end of the whip. Maybe we get a few better looks early, they go in, we get confident, more go in and the opposite. I'm not trying to say we are definitely who we were on Sunday or who we were when we played at SMU, I'm suggesting that we shouldn't immediately believe that the corner has turned and were on the precipice of another magical run because we had a good shooting day.

It was our best performance of the year, no doubt. Brimah played great and stayed on the floor (literary and figuratively). Hamilton was a great third option and did the little things well while deferring to Purvis who had the game of his UConn career. We got contributions from our bench in Facey and Nolan. Boat was a great coach on the floor.

But, take away the 10 free throws we got as they were trying to close the lead late and SMU got to the line more, out boarded us, turned the ball over less, etc. And we had 3-4 live ball turnovers for layups again.

I'm not hedging a future loss to Memphis. I have complete confidence in Ollie and would lock him in for 30 years right now. I was all in on a National Championship last year in October. We are overly leveraged on a skill we have proved to be erratic on all year. I'm not ready to say SMU is now the rule, rather than the exception.
 
OkaForPrez said:
Well my first counterpoint would be missed threes turn into run outs and points for your opponent. Let's say the Boat end of shot clock desperation three and the Purvis hit every part of the rim, the backboard and then falls 3 are the two that bring us down to the average. That's two live ball rebounds that could easily turn into a run out for SMU. Not totally inconceivable to call that an 8 point swing. And the way we were falling apart against the press, if the game is a bit tighter do we fold?

2nd Counter-point. I did give you the actual splits between our wins and losses, so if you want to do the comparison, make it reflect our average 3pt% in our losses and this game too is a loss. The fact that we have such a large variance in our outside shooting is why we can look great one night and not so great another.

But its obviously not that simple, if we had data on good threes vs. bad threes it would look a lot different. Not all looks are created equal. Yesterday we took a lot of threes off of penetration and even got Boat a couple good looks on off-ball curls. We were getting to the rim which allowed us to collapse the defense and kick back.

If anything, my whole point here is to say, I don't think we've executed all that poorly a lot of the season. I think some of what were doing can look exceptional when the shots go in and horrific when they don't. Call it a bull whip effect: The actual variance in our execution is the handle, the variance in our shooting is the end of the whip. Maybe we get a few better looks early, they go in, we get confident, more go in and the opposite. I'm not trying to say we are definitely who we were on Sunday or who we were when we played at SMU, I'm suggesting that we shouldn't immediately believe that the corner has turned and were on the precipice of another magical run because we had a good shooting day.

It was our best performance of the year, no doubt. Brimah played great and stayed on the floor (literary and figuratively). Hamilton was a great third option and did the little things well while deferring to Purvis who had the game of his UConn career. We got contributions from our bench in Facey and Nolan. Boat was a great coach on the floor.

But, take away the 10 free throws we got as they were trying to close the lead late and SMU got to the line more, out boarded us, turned the ball over less, etc. And we had 3-4 live ball turnovers for layups again.

I'm not hedging a future loss to Memphis. I have complete confidence in Ollie and would lock him in for 30 years right now. I was all in on a National Championship last year in October. We are overly leveraged on a skill we have proved to be erratic on all year. I'm not ready to say SMU is now the rule, rather than the exception.
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I'm not saying that you are hedging or that you don't have complete confidence in Ollie.

I'm saying that simply looking at the 3-point stats doesn't tell the story of the game. In fact, it has already been mentioned in this thread that there is more to be learned from the quality of the 3-point attempts than the amount. And the quality came from dribble-drive-kick from our guards, rather than just passing it around the horn and hoisting up a late shot-clock prayer. Also, the better teams we play will be the better defensive teams as well, so one would expect that the percentage would go down naturally. There's not much else to learn from the percentage as you've analyzed it...
 
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OkaForPrez said:
11/17 W
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Best part of it was that four or five of those were pure, no hesitation catch-and-shoots from Hamilton and Purvis. They have to be ready to hurt scrambling defenses - too often they catch, wait a second for the defense to catch up, and only then make their decision on what to do.

It undoes a lot of the good work our ball movement creates.
 
I am sorry I don't have time to break down our 3 point shooting now. Quite frankly, some good points have been made - so congratulations to those posters. But to expand one angle - a miss three from the corner, especially if shot by a guard often is one of many reasons for our poor transition defense. Think of it as a poor foundation of court balance. Nobody back there to defend the break to slow it down until help arrives, and often our help arrives late this year.
It also is a great shot to get a weak side rebound off of - something I discussed a few weeks ago. Obviously, much more to breakdown for the basketball newbies but I hope this is a good starting point.
 
I'm sorry am I reading hot takes about a game played against a team that is so bad you can go blind watching them?
 
Matrim55 said:
Best part of it was that four or five of those were pure, no hesitation catch-and-shoots from Hamilton and Purvis.
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Bump.

What happened to this? Passing up so many chances - especially Omar. The ball movement is pretty good for a bit, then someone catches, has daylight... and stops everything, giving Cincy time to reset their defense.

Goddammit.
 
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Matrim55 said:
Bump.

What happened to this? Passing up so many chances - especially Omar. The ball movement is pretty good for a bit, then someone catches, has daylight... and stops everything, giving Cincy time to reset their defense.

Goddammit.
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Thanks for the bump. 2 down. 2 to go... :cool:
 
This is the "We played $#ittily for long stretches of the game but the kids kept believing" bump. 3 down. 1 to go... :cool:
 
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