Syracuse Report Coming Today

[Rocktheworld]

So the NCAA has no problem inflicting double jeopardy punishment retroactively for UConn, but Cuse gets it more lenient because....?

Ryan Boatright was suspended/benched for almost as long as Boeheim over a plane ticket. This just makes no sense.

 

[TRest]

I'm piseed because this essentially lets Boeheim finish out his career with a full deck. He was at the helm for all this crap, and This should have been his announcement for retirement.

They were even extended the courtesy of finishing their home season before the announcement.

 

[uconngb]

Anybody else catch Bilas talking about this on SC a few minutes ago? I thought his commentary, while kind of scattered, was on point. I'm paraphrasing here, but he was basically saying that this punishment doesn't matter in the long run. They'll cut the scholarships from the end of the bench and anybody who watched the games will still know that Boeheim/Cuse won them, regardless of what the record book says. Said sports people remember who gets suspended for games, but sports fans not so much. Claims this is typical NCAA, sentence someone to a brief public shaming and move on. Will not send a message, will not cause teams and schools to start doing things the "right way", and really holds no bearing on Syracuse or any school moving forward. The meat of what he was saying, however, was in relation to what actually happened. Does anybody know, specifically, what happened here? Says nobody will ever know that, as the NCAA clouds everything in mystery. The punishment, in all likelihood, does not fit the crime. Also questioned: if these sanctions are in relation to the timeframe they're claiming, how is it that the NCAA subtly offered grace for the 02-03 season when they won a championship?

If I find the clip, I'll post it.

I did, and I actually think it deserves its own thread. He's right, this isn't really a punishment at all. A two-year postseason ban and loss of scholarships should have been imposed. In addition to harsher monetary sanctions. He is spot on when he says this will not serve as a deterrent.

 

[MadisonSquare Gordon]

Here's some more BS from the NBCsportstalk article:
"However this ruling may not have as big of an impact as it would appear to at first glance. Why? Because in addition to serving as an assistant to Duke Mike Krzyzewski on the USA Basketball coaching staff, Boeheim has also served as chairman of the US Junior National Team Committee since 2005. That means he observes many of the nation’s top prep talent at youth national team tryouts and can interact with them as well.
Will that change due to the NCAA ruling? That’s a question that has yet to be answered, but if Boeheim remains in that role that is one way in which to ensure that elite prospects are still interacting with Syracuse in spite of the recruiting restrictions."

 

[CallMeBruce]

Don't worry about that suspension, folks. It won't count!

 

[Penfield]

What was the point of even punishing them?

 

[HooperScooper]

Don't worry about that suspension, folks. It won't count!

Whaaaaaaaat? Are they serious?

 

[CallMeBruce]

What was the point of even punishing them?

To look like they're doing their jobs.

I'll bet all those coaches who didn't cover up failed drug tests and academically ineligible players are feeling pretty stupid right now.

 

[imno1]

Were they banned for 2 years? What does that post mean? They self imposed last year right?

 

[Walker11]

Were they banned for 2 years? What does that post mean? They self imposed last year right?

They struggled this year without Boeheim. Those games will not be considered when looking at their NCAA bid.

What a stupid sport we all are obsessed with.

 

[Jerry1714]

Whaaaaaaaat? Are they serious?

It is the same as when they evaluate a team who has had a player injured. The games we played without Amida will be taken into account for us.

 

[Penfield]

It is the same as when they evaluate a team who has had a player injured. The games we played without Amida will be taken into account for us.

If Amida was out because he got suspended for a violation do you think they would take that into account? I dont.

 

[Leebo]

It is the same as when they evaluate a team who has had a player injured. The games we played without Amida will be taken into account for us.

Except that the NCAA removed Boeheim from their program intentionally, but now they are essentially going to ignore that they did that.

 

[CallMeBruce]

It is the same as when they evaluate a team who has had a player injured. The games we played without Amida will be taken into account for us.

Except Amida wasn't missing time because of a disciplinary issue. Boeheim was out because the NCAA suspended him. And now that same NCAA is saying that they aren't going to hold the team accountable for their poor play during that suspension. So I ask - what was the point of suspending him?

 

[UChusky916]

This situation is actual insanity when compared to the number of appeals UConn had rejected for their post-season ban. Then Cuse's punishment just disappears into thin air for something TOTALLY deserving. Absolutely unfathomable.

 

[Jerry1714]

Except Amida wasn't missing time because of a disciplinary issue. Boeheim was out because the NCAA suspended him. And now that same NCAA is saying that they aren't going to hold the team accountable for their poor play during that suspension. So I ask - what was the point of suspending him?

That is not what they are saying, they are saying his suspension will be taken into account when evaluating the team (Rothstien is a moron and his tweet is mislead), it has been discussed all year that his suspension would be viewed the same as that as a player being injured. I agree on the difference though.

 

[Penfield]

That is not what they are saying, they are saying his suspension will be taken into account when evaluating the team (Rothstien is a moron and his tweet is mislead), it has been discussed all year that his suspension would be viewed the same as that as a player being injured. I agree on the difference though.

So basically if it came down to them or another bubble team getting in then they get preferential treatment. If they are borderline between two seeds they get the bump.

Still doesnt make any sense to me.

 

[Uconn77Duke74]

i'd enjoy playing them again in an 8/9 game.

 

[BoatShow]

The NCAA suspends him then says the games he was suspended for won't count against them because P5/ACC

 

[401husk]

I gave up a long time ago trying to figure out how the NCAA operates. At this point anything that makes logical sense is illogical.

 

[UConnTrumbull]

Wow I should use this excuse the next time I get pulled over for speeding. "But officer, can't you evaluate my driving based on the other 90% of the time I WASN'T speeding?" #NCAAlogic

 

[Rocktheworld]

So what is the point of banning Boehiem if the games won't be counted in the eyes of the committee? Because Boehiem wasn't on the sidelines, the games don't count? What about teams that beat Cuse in that time? Do their wins not count on Selection Sunday?

 

[TouchdownHusky]

Syracuse is - and has dirt - a dirty program for years and years. They should be made to stay out of any tourneys for five years until it cripples their recruiting for decades to come. Also should be made to leave the ACC.

 

[dennismenace]

I gave up a long time ago trying to figure out how the NCAA operates. At this point anything that makes logical sense is illogical.

Make$ $en$e to me.

 

[tcf15]

Would not be surprised if Rothstein was completely wrong on this

 

[4in16]

Would not be surprised if Rothstein was completely wrong on this

Never thought I'd read something Goodman posts that I'd agree with or hope is true.

 

[UConnNick]

Would not be surprised if Rothstein was completely wrong on this

I agree. They can't totally ignore any particular number of a teams' games due to a coaches' absence, especially in a case like Boeheim's where the absence was due to an NCAA rules enforcement penalty. That would be like saying they should have ignored all the games Cronin didn't coach in for Cincy last season, or that Calhoun missed for health reasons during his tenure at UCONN. You'd end up evaluating some teams based on only a handful of games. Cronin was out most of last season.

I think what they're getting at is they can evaluate based on injured players and missing coaches up to a point, perhaps softening the blow a little if a team suffered a particularly bad loss or two during a time they were missing a coach or key player, but the wins and losses still all have to count toward evaluating any team for an at-large bid. Otherwise you'd be selectively favoring teams with a much shorter resume of games to evaluate, against other teams who unfairly had all 30 of their games taken into consideration. If you went 9-1 or 8-2 at full strength with your regular coach, and went 8-12 the rest of the season while missing your coach or a key player, you'd conceivably get an at-large bid, which would be ludicrous.

 

[uconnell]

Here's some more BS from the NBCsportstalk article:
"However this ruling may not have as big of an impact as it would appear to at first glance. Why? Because in addition to serving as an assistant to Duke Mike Krzyzewski on the USA Basketball coaching staff, Boeheim has also served as chairman of the US Junior National Team Committee since 2005. That means he observes many of the nation’s top prep talent at youth national team tryouts and can interact with them as well.
Will that change due to the NCAA ruling? That’s a question that has yet to be answered, but if Boeheim remains in that role that is one way in which to ensure that elite prospects are still interacting with Syracuse in spite of the recruiting restrictions."

Yet with all this he still can't win another championship.