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Syracuse Fires Coach

amishboy said:
Crawl into a corner and die? No, I want to recognize reality.

In other words, while "major college" football has blown up, in terms of both interest and broadcast-rights income, the FBS schools in the Northeast (especially UConn, Syracuse, and BC) have, at best, been on the perimeter for at least 10-20 years, and I see no way that their prospects going forward are going to change. They've upgraded facilities, hired and fired coaches, switched conferences, hit the transfer portal hard, widened their recruiting areas, pushed their NIL programs, etc., etc., but still have little to show for it. Bottom line, we still get 2* and 3* recruits, and an occasional transfer from a P4 school who simply wasn't good enough to play at that level, like our big-name QB from Penn State. These players just won't get big enough, strong enough, or fast enough to compete against decent P4 teams.

So let's put on our big boy pants, and say, sorry, we just can't do FBS football at the P4 level. But what we can do, realistically, is stay in FBS but join a non-P4 conference, or we can go back to D-II (what's now FCS). Either way, we can at least be competitive.
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what was your take on UConn basketball during the Ollie years? Downgrade?
 
DoctorWho85 said:
Gotta give credit where credit is due. That's great hire of a HC for Cuse. Mullen is a great coach, just got hosed in the SEC where expectations at schools outside of Bama, Georgia and maybe LSU are out of this reality.
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Zoo is correct...Mullen didn't like recruiting. Mullen has a good offensive mind, but he was exposed not hosed at Florida.
 
Mullen won almost 70% of his games at Florida...but in the SEC, that isn't enough.

You fall fast with a bad season...He had 4 seasons....Inherited a team that was 4-7 the year before and took them to 10-3 and a win over #8 Michigan in the bowl at the end of his first season.

He went to the Peach, Orange, and Cotton bowls...finished AP # 6, 7, and 12....and then went 5-6 and was canned.
 
Mullen had one top 10 recruit class his other two were top 20...but...this is the SEC...
 
Random thoughts on the above posts. 1. RE said that when college players start getting paid, the game as we know it is gone. AD Dave said that the only thing certain in the college landscape is that nothing is certain. 2. Womens sports are bankrupting most athletic departments. How many of the 350 D-1 WBB make any money ? 3. The state of Iowa has a population 400k less than CT. How is it that they have the resources + talent pool to field two top notch FB programs in Iowa + Iowa ST ? 4. Delaware in moving up to FBS and joining Conference USA. 5. IF Syracuse and BC are are struggling to keep up, how does Temple even survive ?
 
John said:
what was your take on UConn basketball during the Ollie years? Downgrade?
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Entirely different situation!

At that point we'd been a dominant program in the BE for many years and had won 4 NCs, so, no, that was clearly an Ollie problem, not a conference alignment problem. Plus, it's easier to fix basketball problems: we have far more 4* and 5* high school kids within, say, 6 hours, we only need to sign 3 or 4 top 50-75 players, and they just have to mentally commit to spending only 1 or 2 years in Storrs.
 
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billybud said:
Mullen had one top 10 recruit class his other two were top 20...but...this is the SEC...
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Right...and top 20 or even top 10 isn't good enough. Especially when your top rival is top 5 year after year.

Biggest mystery to me was why Mullen couldn't get a top quarterback? With his past success of developing QBs and Florida's location and resources...why was Georgia and Alabama...and Ohio state...and Clemson....all getting higher rated quarterbacks?

I think he is a good coach with a good offensive mind. But he needs a strong staff of assistants to be effective on the recruiting front.
 
CONN78SEJ said:
HCRE 1.0 was able to field strong teams on a consistent level, so why couldn’t Mora? All Mora needs is a decent DC and an OC. Things he does not have right now.
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HCRE had the benefit of being BCS. Bit different now being outside power structure.
 
Patman said:
the problem is the northeast schools all put themselves under somebody else's frame. They were never going to service the northeast schools. The ACC is a southern conference. The Big12 is a southern midwest conference. The Big10 is a mid-western conference. They will give lip service to everybody else but they will not serve them. Each one of them are outsiders.
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This. The classic divide and conquer was applied against our region. The competitive pressures destroyed Northeast college football by splitting us up into different leagues where we are all outsiders. I think the implications of the collapse of Big East football for our region still isn't really understood

The west coast is now about to find out next with the fall of the Pac-12.

The South and the Midwest won. They ate everyone else up
 
ecasadoSBU said:
This. The classic divide and conquer was applied against our region. The competitive pressures destroyed Northeast college football by splitting us up into different leagues where we are all outsiders. I think the implications of the collapse of Big East football for our region still isn't really understood

The west coast is now about to find out next with the fall of the Pac-12.

The South and the Midwest won. They ate everyone else up
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Need a northeastern football conference. Penn State, Rutgers and Maryland won't join but after the ACC falls apart a conference might be cobbled together with UConn, BC, Cuse, Temple, Mass, Pitt, Buffalo, Deleware and maybe Army/Navy.
 
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CONN78SEJ said:
HCRE 1.0 was able to field strong teams on a consistent level, so why couldn’t Mora? All Mora needs is a decent DC and an OC. Things he does not have right now.
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BCS

BIG EAST

You cannot compare what HCRE did in the 2000s to what Mora is dealing with in 2024.

Come on.
 
gopher2 said:
Need a northeastern football conference. Penn State, Rutgers and Maryland won't join but after the ACC falls apart a conference might be cobbled together with UConn, BC, Cuse, Temple, Mass, Pitt, Buffalo, Deleware and maybe Army/Navy.
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Of course should a northeast conference ever form and start to gain traction, the P4 and ESPN would do everything in their power to kill it, or even keep it from forming in the first place.
 
gopher2 said:
Need a northeastern football conference. Penn State, Rutgers and Maryland won't join but after the ACC falls apart a conference might be cobbled together with UConn, BC, Cuse, Temple, Mass, Pitt, Buffalo, Deleware and maybe Army/Navy.
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I realize college sports today are all about football money, and FSU is enraged at being shut out of the playoffs, but do you think thats enough to make the ACC fall apart?

And if that happened, why wouldn’t BC, Pitt, and Syracuse continue hunting for the big bucks, and try to join one of the remaining 2 or 3 FBS conferences?
 
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