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Syracuse Fires Coach
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Yes, I’d say Syracuse fans have unrealistic expectations about their football team. Living up here I hear it all the time — and you just get that sense of it, too. Especially with the Dome renovations. But I don’t think it’s possible. Winning seasons and bowl games, sure, but they aren’t going to be a powerhouse.
SSDD, either the State(+University+BoT's+Alums) realizes the value of Football success at the highest level, and is willing to commit to a 10-15 year plan/investment to achieve that, then we will wander endlessly in the desert. While there are no guarantees the investment pays off, anything less is quitting.
Refer to the article about Colorados application #'s since Prime Time was hired to coach, and he hasn't won yet.
Refer to the article about Colorados application #'s since Prime Time was hired to coach, and he hasn't won yet.
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I agree with that, but you know what? That applies to about 110 college football teams. A handful will be really good…you can probably name them. As I said only 13 have gone to the CFP. Another group will be, to borrow a phrase from Bob Diaco, key backups for when the top teams have off years. This is the Penn State, LSU and Texas types. Everybody else is hoping to have solid seasons, maybe the occasional great one. What constitutes “great” varies. For Syracuse I’d say a trip to the ACC championship game. For UConn 2 wins against lower level P4 teams. For Rutgers a winning B10 record. I mean BC once had a parade for beating a 7-5 Florida State team. Can a team get hot some year? Sure. A very good Cincinatti team went undefeated in a year when the only team available to replace them had lost to them. But mostly that kind of thing won’t happen.Mostly, for most teams, they are looking for a good season followed by a bowl bid. Syracuse is no different from Michigan State or Ol’ Miss, or UCLA, or Illinois in that regard.
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Babers will get picked up somewhere. Sure he didn't see a huge turn around like alumn and fans think they deserve. But lets be honest, Donovan McNabb and McPherson aren't walking through that door again so they need to realize the best they're going to finish in the ACC currently is probably 3 in their division.
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Syracuse and Pitt have been in the ACC for over 10 years now. bcu 19 years? Maybe not their fans, but their admin must see that it really isn't working out all that great, being outliers and all. They have to see the benefit of having regional rivals and how that would help everyone. Whether the ACC splinters or not, adding UConn and a couple 2 or 3 programs ranging in the Northeast would be a good thing. If only the ACC and old Big East Football outright merged.
At any rate, screw cuse.
At any rate, screw cuse.
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It’s funny but in the early days if the move to the ACC the ex-Big East teams were always at the top. VT win multiple titles. BC got to the championship game. Miami-FSU was must see and was scheduled early so the loser would have time to recover in the polls. Despite its bad rep the Big East was really a superior football conference. But once they had been there a few years they found the level of the league.
There was that certain something about Big East FB that allowed a team or a program to be the bully on the block in the BE, and then when you left the neighborhood for an OOC game or a Bowl, on any given Saturday you were a winner. After that you just had to win the polls, not actual games.
Contrast that with the grind of a Conference schedule against teams that had better resources(weather being one) and could do things you couldn't do(Do you think Clemsons admission process is the same as BC's for FB?), and you have that "level of the league" that you referred to. Penn State has similar issues in the B1G, not as bad though. The bigger the conferences get, the more difficult it is for BC to have a Flutie year, or Syracuse to land a Unicorn coach.
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The old Big East schools in the ACC have a similar problem: bad head coaching hires. Babers? He had never built a program before being hired as he was head coach for 2 years at Eastern Illinois and 2 years at Bowling Green. And, he had no Northeast experience and he didn't hire recruiters with strong Northeastern ties. He got 8 years (!) at Syracuse and he had one year with a winning conference record. Do you think that would have been tolerated at VT, UNC, Miami, GT, FSU, NC St.,...? No way.
If they can, Syracuse should hire Chesney, but they will probably end up hiring either a retread or a coordinator with no HC experience.
Look at BC. They hired Addazio who was a mediocre coach and then hired Hafley who had no head coaching experience.
Narduzzi has been solid at Pitt.
Louisville has done OK in the ACC, and it looks like they made a great hire in Brohm.
Miami hasn't had a top 10 finish in 20 years. And, it looks like the Cristobal hire has not been a good one. He is 5-10 in the ACC in his first 2 seasons.
VT has been OK in the ACC, but they have yet to find their replacement for Beamer.
If they can, Syracuse should hire Chesney, but they will probably end up hiring either a retread or a coordinator with no HC experience.
Look at BC. They hired Addazio who was a mediocre coach and then hired Hafley who had no head coaching experience.
Narduzzi has been solid at Pitt.
Louisville has done OK in the ACC, and it looks like they made a great hire in Brohm.
Miami hasn't had a top 10 finish in 20 years. And, it looks like the Cristobal hire has not been a good one. He is 5-10 in the ACC in his first 2 seasons.
VT has been OK in the ACC, but they have yet to find their replacement for Beamer.
Miami has been done for way before they left the big east and wouldnt likely have a good dynamic because the academic side is tying the athletic side's hands. VPI is just a matter of, as you said Jim, finding the right coach.
I think the others are northern teams in a southern league. They will never be happy if Fruit U, BC, or Pitt were on top of the ACC
I think the others are northern teams in a southern league. They will never be happy if Fruit U, BC, or Pitt were on top of the ACC
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Maybe he meant their Defense was Offensive?
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Mora should call the fired coach to see if he would spend two years as OC at UConn.
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It's a bit arbitrary to classify Penn State as Northeast. Most would call Pittsburg midwest for all practical purposes and Penn State is as close to Pittsburg as Philadelphia. Pennsylvania and Texas were once considered the two strongest high school football states in the Country. Florida and Georgia may have passed them by but Pennsylvania would still be listed in anybody's top 5 or 10 recruiting territoriesMy apologies to those offended by my repeatedly posting this opinion, but this exemplifies the futility of our continuing push to “upgrade” the program, so we can join the [fill-in the blank: ACC, Big 10, etc.]. College football in the Northeast (Syracuse, BC, Pitt, Rutgers, Temple, and UConn) cannot consistently compete on a national level.
Even Penn State, long the most dominant program in the Northeast, is barely hanging on. Despite membership in the Big 10, their goal now is simply a top 10-15 ranking and bowl eligibility. They haven’t finished a season ranked in the top 5 since 2005, they’re currently ranked #12, and barring a lot of luck, that means they’ll have finished in the top 10 only four times in the past 10 years.
For the other FBS wanna-be powerhouses in the Northeast, the prospects are bleak.
Syracuse fires coach Dino Babers after eight seasons
Syracuse fired football coach Dino Babers on Sunday and named tight ends coach Nunzio Campanile interim coach.www.espn.com
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Pitt is considered eastern football as is WVU as is any school that is or was eligible le for the Lambert Trophy or the Lambert Cup for the smaller divisions. Not sure if it's still awarded.
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Before joining the Big 10 Penn State was always considered one of the eastern schools. It was a member of the ECAC as were Pitt and WVU. The ECAC at the time was more of an umbrella organization that provided administrative support, officials, thing like that to the northeastern schools. The major ones were independent and those that weren’t were in conferences like the Yankee and the Ivy League that didn’t provide much in terms of administration
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I thought Pitt and PSU left in the 70s because they were footing a disproportional amount of the ECAC revenue. PSU was on tv a lot IIRC and ECAC was getting a cut from that. Only Syracuse and BC are the only P4/5 schools that are still in as members.
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Dan Mullen began his career as a GA at Cuse...it would be a good hire for them..
He has coached QB Alex Smith at Utah, Heisman winner Tim Tebow at Florida, and Dak Prescott at Mississippi State...and 2nd rounder Kyle Trask at Florida...
If he can attract and develop a good quarterback that might nean a few extra wins.
He has coached QB Alex Smith at Utah, Heisman winner Tim Tebow at Florida, and Dak Prescott at Mississippi State...and 2nd rounder Kyle Trask at Florida...
If he can attract and develop a good quarterback that might nean a few extra wins.
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BC gets thrashed by Miami and ends regular season with third straight loss - The Boston Globe
The Eagles (6-6) committed costly turnovers and penalties, couldn’t stop the pass or run, and showed minimal urgency offensively.
www.bostonglobe.com
Too bad for BC, but no worries here, because unlike BC, Syracuse, and Pitt (2-8), we’ve got the magic formula for football “success.”
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So what is your solution to crawl into a corner and just die? What I mean is quit football?My apologies to those offended by my repeatedly posting this opinion, but this exemplifies the futility of our continuing push to “upgrade” the program, so we can join the [fill-in the blank: ACC, Big 10, etc.]. College football in the Northeast (Syracuse, BC, Pitt, Rutgers, Temple, and UConn) cannot consistently compete on a national level.
Even Penn State, long the most dominant program in the Northeast, is barely hanging on. Despite membership in the Big 10, their goal now is simply a top 10-15 ranking and bowl eligibility. They haven’t finished a season ranked in the top 5 since 2005, they’re currently ranked #12, and barring a lot of luck, that means they’ll have finished in the top 10 only four times in the past 10 years.
For the other FBS wanna-be powerhouses in the Northeast, the prospects are bleak.
Syracuse fires coach Dino Babers after eight seasons
Syracuse fired football coach Dino Babers on Sunday and named tight ends coach Nunzio Campanile interim coach.
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In the 70s there were some really good northeastern college baseball teams. BC, UConn and Maine all played in the college World Series. Providence was solid too. Then schools started wrapping up the academic year much earlier and the northeastern season ended before it began. It took a while but then they figured it out. Play on the road in warmer climates, get indoor facilities for workouts, play 60 games. Now BC and UConn are annual contenders. PC dropped baseball but BC and UConn are both capable of competing with anybody On a regular basis.
Just like in baseball, UConn and the rest will figure out a way to get competitive again if the decide they want it.
Crawl into a corner and die? No, I want to recognize reality.
In other words, while "major college" football has blown up, in terms of both interest and broadcast-rights income, the FBS schools in the Northeast (especially UConn, Syracuse, and BC) have, at best, been on the perimeter for at least 10-20 years, and I see no way that their prospects going forward are going to change. They've upgraded facilities, hired and fired coaches, switched conferences, hit the transfer portal hard, widened their recruiting areas, pushed their NIL programs, etc., etc., but still have little to show for it. Bottom line, we still get 2* and 3* recruits, and an occasional transfer from a P4 school who simply wasn't good enough to play at that level, like our big-name QB from Penn State. These players just won't get big enough, strong enough, or fast enough to compete against decent P4 teams.
So let's put on our big boy pants, and say, sorry, we just can't do FBS football at the P4 level. But what we can do, realistically, is stay in FBS but join a non-P4 conference, or we can go back to D-II (what's now FCS). Either way, we can at least be competitive.
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D-II is not what is now FCS. FCS is formerly D-1AA. Then there's D-II, then D-III. And no, UConn will not be dropping to FCS at any time in the near future.
Okay, thanks for the correction. Then I advocate that we forget about P4 conferences, and try to join a “Group of Five” conference as a football-only member (because there’s no sense in devaluing our national-caliber basketball programs).
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Gotta give credit where credit is due. That's great hire of a HC for Cuse. Mullen is a great coach, just got hosed in the SEC where expectations at schools outside of Bama, Georgia and maybe LSU are out of this reality.
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Ummm…
I lose it every time I think of how our athletic future was destroyed by this one issue. Am all about continuing to strive, but the hole that has been dug is unreal. Sad and frustrating.
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Mullen hates recruiting. I would have loved it if Syracuse hired him.
He didn’t get hosed. He was exposed.
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