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SAMCRO said:
Yup. I love ND. Love beating them in front of TD JC.
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You must be thinking of the lovely way the ND girls spanked the UConn women in the tourney last Spring. I still can't believe it. Or maybe your thinking of the beating the boys dished out last January to your mighty BB team?
 
Druken Friar said:
You must be thinking of the lovely way the ND girls spanked the UConn women in the tourney last Spring. I still can't believe it. Or maybe your thinking of the beating the boys dished out last January to your mighty BB team?
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Our national championship Men's BB team, no, not what I was thinking of. That's 2 guesses, you get one more, don't blow it. Here's a few hints. Think early November, think 2009, think about the venue TD JC overlooks. Think Charlie Weiss. Think Andre Dixon and Jordan Todman. Okay, now guess.
 
It will be a sad day in Dublin, a day of mourning should the fair lady ND join the ACC. A league woefully lacking in honor, plus it would be a sizeable cut in pay.
 
Typical Friar (even if this one is not of the PC variety). Puts more value in a mid season upset than end of season hardware.
 
SAMCRO said:
Our national championship Men's BB team, no, not what I was thinking of. That's 2 guesses, you get one more, don't blow it. Here's a few hints. Think early November, think 2009, think about the venue TD JC overlooks. Think Charlie Weiss. Think Andre Dixon and Jordan Todman. Okay, now guess.
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2009, I can barely remember yesterday.
You mean the day we played our JV boys? That was a mistake wasn't it. Well here's to next time. When is next time again?
 
Druken Friar said:
2009, I can barely remember yesterday.
You mean the day we played our JV boys? That was a mistake wasn't it. Well here's to next time. When is next time again?
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probably about the time that Notre Dame returns to a BCS game... might be a while
 
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FfldCntyFan said:
Typical Friar (even if this one is not of the PC variety). Puts more value in a mid season upset than end of season hardware.
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You wouldn't be making derogatory remarks about the fine institution over in Providence. I assume you want to go to heaven someday. "Oh when the saints, come marching in, oh when the saints come marching in. Oh I want to be in that number when the saints come marching in." One of my favorite tunes. Sounded especially fine the evening of January 17, 2011. I believe the final score was 81 - 56, ouch.
 
Druken Friar said:
2009, I can barely remember yesterday.
You mean the day we played our JV boys? That was a mistake wasn't it. Well here's to next time. When is next time again?
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Ahh yesterday, you dont remember.

Yesterday,
All the BE troubles seemed so far away,
Now it looks as though they're here to stay,
Oh, I believe in yesterday.

Suddenly,
We're not half the conference we used to be,
There's a shadow hanging over the BE,
Oh, yesterday came suddenly.

Why SyraPitt
Had to go I don't know, they wouldn't say.
I said,
Something wrong, now I long for yesterday.

Yesterday,
Keeping aQ status was such an easy game to play,
Now UConn needs a new place to play,
Oh, I believe in yesterday.

Why SyraPitt
Had to go I don't know, they wouldn't say.
I said,
Something wrong, now I long for yesterday.

Yesterday,
Scheduling conference games was such an easy game to play,
Now UConn needs a new league today,
Oh, I believe in yesterday.

Mm-mm-mm-mm-mm-mm-mmm
 
SAMCRO said:
Ahh yesterday, you dont remember.

Yesterday,
All the BE troubles seemed so far away,
Now it looks as though they're here to stay,
Oh, I believe in yesterday.

Suddenly,
We're not half the conference we used to be,
There's a shadow hanging over the BE,
Oh, yesterday came suddenly.

Why SyraPitt
Had to go I don't know, they wouldn't say.
I said,
Something wrong, now I long for yesterday.

Yesterday,
Keeping aQ status was such an easy game to play,
Now UConn needs a new place to play,
Oh, I believe in yesterday.

Why SyraPitt
Had to go I don't know, they wouldn't say.
I said,
Something wrong, now I long for yesterday.

Yesterday,
Scheduling conference games was such an easy game to play,
Now UConn needs a new league today,
Oh, I believe in yesterday.

Mm-mm-mm-mm-mm-mm-mmm
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Not bad.
 
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HartbeatHusky said:
This will only make ND more determined to remain independent. They will remain independent until they absolutely would not be able to play for a national title without joining a conference.
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They're going to find it very hard to find opponents for their non-revenue sports. Who is going to play them without some conference affiliation? How is ND going to fill a schedule when most every other school is fully booked?
 
NEforceUConn said:
I'll get on that wagon - but pass me the pipe first.

B1G will go West before it goes East.
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Go West to who? Kansas/Kansas State? Sorry that's not happening. Missouri is already gone for the SEC. Texas isn't going to capitulate... the B1G is running out of options. IF they expand beyond 12 the only way to go is east.
 
IthacaMatt said:
They're going to find it very hard to find opponents for their non-revenue sports. Who is going to play them without some conference affiliation? How is ND going to fill a schedule when most every other school is fully booked?
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They can stick with the catholic hoops schools and even help them form a new league if push comes to shove. ND is not joining a conference for football until there would be no other option for football. They will let their other sports take a step back if it means preserving football independence.
 
And supposedly Geno is getting in on the action...

jacobscourant Jeff Jacobs

Oh boy, Geno Auriemma called out Notre Dame for never joining Big East in football.
Geno: "For a lot of us it's a huge problem ... how long are we going to date before we decide this ain't working....I'm not happy about it.

Geno: "That's not the opinion of UConn, Big East, my president, my AD. That's just Geno Auriemma's opinion. I'm pissed about it."

Geno on ND; "One school holds the future of our league in the palm of their hand and they're not really that concerned about it."

More Geno on ND: "If you have the ability to put a whole bunch of schools at ease and have the Catholic mentality to serve and help ..."
 
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I love Geno, but he's wrong.

Using his analogy, Notre Dame was up front about their insistence on seeing other people from the start. The Big East is in love and wants exclusivity. But Notre Dame isn't going to agree to that, and was up front from the beginning about that. Don't blame anyone but yourself for thinking you could make a girl fall in love when she keeps telling you she only wants to date and have fun. ND isn't joining, and they aren't the reason the Big East collapsed. Blaming the collapse on their lack of a commitment to Big East football, when they have made it very clear they were never committed to Big East football, is intellectually dishonest and borderline pathetic.
 
Which is why you have to hand it to the ACC for their stance on the subject. Sure they would benefit financially from a nonFB deal with Notre Dame, but equality of membership is more important to them. They are fully capable of walking away from bad deal. The BE is not. If everyone's, BB included, interested in stability then ND has to go. You won't have it otherwise. The spectre of 4x16 will always be out there. I guess that's what we find so fascinating, "How will it end?"

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WingU-Conn said:
I love Geno, but he's wrong.

Using his analogy, Notre Dame was up front about their insistence on seeing other people from the start. The Big East is in love and wants exclusivity. But Notre Dame isn't going to agree to that, and was up front from the beginning about that. Don't blame anyone but yourself for thinking you could make a girl fall in love when all she keeps telling you she only wants to date and have fun. ND isn't joining, and they aren't the reason the Big East collapsed. Blaming the collapse on their lack of a commitment to Big East football, when they have made it very clear they were never committed to Big East football, is intellectually dishonest and borderline pathetic.
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Of course, as you know, people "blame" the girl in that situation all the time. heck of a lot easier than blaming yourself.
 
Well, I'm not sure that I agree entirely with you guys. What Geno said was that they had the power to do save the Big East, whcih they did and still do, but chose not to use it. That they have been clear about their position doesn't mean that it might not be in everyone's interest for it to change. And it doesn't mean that people might not be upset that they won't consider a change given that the Big East has been their all-sports but football home for 25 years. That isn't necessarily intellectually dishonest to suggest that it is in everyone's best interest that someone's position change due to changing facts on the ground, so to speak. and for the most part his comments are about the future. He didn't say that it is ND's fault that the Big East is going through this mess. Rather, that ND could, if it chose to do so, solve the current problem.
 
Santini35 said:
And supposedly Geno is getting in on the action...

jacobscourant Jeff Jacobs

Oh boy, Geno Auriemma called out Notre Dame for never joining Big East in football.
Geno: "For a lot of us it's a huge problem ... how long are we going to date before we decide this ain't working....I'm not happy about it.

Geno: "That's not the opinion of UConn, Big East, my president, my AD. That's just Geno Auriemma's opinion. I'm pissed about it."

Geno on ND; "One school holds the future of our league in the palm of their hand and they're not really that concerned about it."

More Geno on ND: "If you have the ability to put a whole bunch of schools at ease and have the Catholic mentality to serve and help ..."
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HA! Good for Geno. Love those italians.

Perhaps we should send Geno back to Italy for a while and consult with the Vatican on the whole Notre Dame and Big East issue.

I bet if Pope Benedict were to call up Father Jenkins on the telephone with Geno pulling the Mario Puzo strings in the background...hmmm

:)
 
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freescooter said:
Well, I'm not sure that I agree entirely with you guys. What Geno said was that they had the power to do save the Big East, whcih they did and still do, but chose not to use it. That they have been clear about their position doesn't mean that it might not be in everyone's interest for it to change. And it doesn't mean that people might not be upset that they won't consider a change given that the Big East has been their all-sports but football home for 25 years. That isn't necessarily intellectually dishonest to suggest that it is in everyone's best interest that someone's position change due to changing facts on the ground, so to speak. and for the most part his comments are about the future. He didn't say that it is ND's fault that the Big East is going through this mess. Rather, that ND could, if it chose to do so, solve the current problem.
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It's not in ND's best interest to join the Big East. So he's pissed that ND isn't acting in everyone else's best interest over their own?

Nope, he's still wrong.
 
It is an argument over Doing wha tis best for Notre Dame vs. doing what is best for the larger community, the Big East. While Geno may not have expressed it exactly those terms, tha tis what he was expressing. His reference to the "Catholic mentality" was a reference to the view expressed not only in Catholocism, but in most organized religions that there is a responsibility that goes beyond just "what is best for me." We can go into a fairly detailed discussion of social organization and its place in Catholic social teaching, and I suspect Geno has been schooled, at least at some fundamental level, on those teachings, but none of that fits into a sound bite. One could make the argument, as Geno does, that Notre Dame should do what is best for the conference even if that is not the ideal solution for Notre Dame. And the other side of the coin is that the Big East has done what was best for Notre Dame for the past 15 years, but in a changing environment, that is no longer in the league's best interest, so it is time for both parties to revisit the arrangement.
 
freescooter said:
It is an argument over Doing wha tis best for Notre Dame vs. doing what is best for the larger community, the Big East. While Geno may not have expressed it exactly those terms, tha tis what he was expressing. His reference to the "Catholic mentality" was a reference to the view expressed not only in Catholocism, but in most organized religions that there is a responsibility that goes beyond just "what is best for me." We can go into a fairly detailed discussion of social organization and its place in Catholic social teaching, and I suspect Geno has been schooled, at least at some fundamental level, on those teachings, but none of that fits into a sound bite. One could make the argument, as Geno does, that Notre Dame should do what is best for the conference even if that is not the ideal solution for Notre Dame. And the other side of the coin is that the Big East has done what was best for Notre Dame for the past 15 years, but in a changing environment, that is no longer in the league's best interest, so it is time for both parties to revisit the arrangement.
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Geno is holding ND to a standard he doesn't hold Susan Herbst to. And bringing up religion in matters of business does not help his argument one bit. ND has been honest from day one, and I'm sure they donate many resources to help those less fortunate. That they choose not to save the Big East doesn't make them bad christians. Unless you're a desparate, type A personality, who is pissed off that you have no control over what happens next.

The big east did what was best for the big east, that it turned out to be best for ND is a coincidence convenient to those who bash ND, but it certainly was not a factor in the big east's decision.
 
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