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Message: [QUOTE="visitingcock, post: 3918374, member: 6872"] It’s the Tobacco Road schools that we believed made it impossible for us to stay in the conference. Those four votes out of eight could and did block all the reforms that we felt were needed particularly elimination of the 800 SAT minimum that we felt was needed to qualify our poorly educated (the state’s fault) black athletes - particularly Freddie Solomon who qualified for every other conference in the country. Of course, the ACC dropped the requirement a couple of years after we left. we fans and Frank McGwire also believed that the basketball refs were in the pocket of Tobacco Road. thus there was hatred of NC State along with the other three. That hatred these days is mainly focused on UNC [/QUOTE]