OT: Super Bowl best ad

[Gurleyman]

Not sure what this even means though, really. Rock was in it’s heydey in the 60’s/70’s. The 90s had good bands but alternative and punk and grunge, the classic rock wasn’t good.

There are great mainstream Rappers still. You probably just don’t listen. Anyone who consistently listens to the genre will tell you that.

All of Griselda is top tier, JID and most of Dreamville (J Cole’s label) is great. Joey Bada$$ has dropped some borderline classics. Ton of guys getting more well known now. JPEGMAFIA, etc. I could go on. Some you will, some you won’t like of course.

Again, I mentioned this whole nostalgia bias thing, as did @BigErnMcCracken. I’m sure some of it is unavoidable because that’s when you grew up and started liking these things, but I disagree with your greater point that things are simply worse.

I have always kind of felt like the 90s was rock’s last stand. What we consider “classic rock” practically ended on Dec. 31, 1979. Between 1979-1981: John Lennon died, John Bonham died, Keith Moon died (The Who hung on for a little bit, with some meh stuff), Pink Floyd broke up, The Eagles broke up, Fleetwood Mac broke up, Queen had a disco hit. Tattoo You came out in 1981 and was probably the last Stones last hold on the mainstream. David Bowie shifted to glam rock (although he gave us SRV, who was one of the 80s standouts for classic rock style music), Eric Clapton shifted to soft adult contemporary produced by Phil Collins, the biggest Van Halen hit had EVH playing the synth and not the guitar, Sting joined Club Schmaltz with Bryan Adams.

The grunge movement has been oft mentioned as ending the hair band era, but a few 80s rock bands like U2, REM, Van Hagar and Metallica had big hits in early 90s simultaneously, and coupled with the grunge movement, the entire alt rock genre took off. Random rock bands like Blues Traveler were regulars in the MTV rotation. There were alt rock stations. MTV Unplugged was huge with Clapton going back to his roots, with Dylan and Bruce and Neil Young getting a platform, as well as Pearl Jam, Nirvana and Alice In Chains. Aerosmith kept their newfound popularity going. The annoying omnipresent stuff you couldn’t get away from, other than Mariah Carey, were often rock acts like Hootie and the Blowfish and Alanis Morrissette (and later Matchbox 20, Creed and Nickelback, alongside the boy band revival).

But that era came and went fast. Lots of alt rock bands had short lived success with hit songs and vanished (Third Eye Blind, Toadies, Eve 6, Fastball, Semisonic, etc.). Linkin Park sort of had their hybrid sound at the turn of the century - and a couple others Evanescence, Killers, Kings of Leon - had moments, but then by the mid 2000s, you weren’t hearing many guitars on the charts any more.

(There were some good rock acts in the 1980s - but it was less blues rock that was the signature of earlier decades and more Cure, Depeche Mode, Tears for Fears, etc.).

 

[CardiacAndre7]

I have always kind of felt like the 90s was rock’s last stand. What we consider “classic rock” practically ended on Dec. 31, 1979. Between 1979-1981: John Lennon died, John Bonham died, Keith Moon died (The Who hung on for a little bit, with some meh stuff), Pink Floyd broke up, The Eagles broke up, Fleetwood Mac broke up, Queen had a disco hit. Tattoo You came out in 1981 and was probably the last Stones last hold on the mainstream. David Bowie shifted to glam rock (although he gave us SRV, who was one of the 80s standouts for classic rock style music), Eric Clapton shifted to soft adult contemporary produced by Phil Collins.

The grunge movement has been oft mentioned as ending the hair band era, but a few 80s rock bands like U2, REM, Van Hagar and Metallica had big hits in early 90s simultaneously, and coupled with the grunge movement, the entire alt rock genre took off. Random rock bands like Blues Traveler were regulars in the MTV rotation. There were alt rock stations. MTV Unplugged was huge with Clapton going back to his roots, with Dylan and Bruce and Neil Young getting a platform, as well as Pearl Jam, Nirvana and Alice In Chains. Aerosmith kept their newfound popularity going. The annoying omnipresent stuff you couldn’t get away from, other than Mariah Carey, were often rock acts like Hootie and the Blowfish and Alanis Morrissette (and later Matchbox 20, Creed and Nickelback, alongside the boy band revival).

But that era came and went fast. Lots of alt rock bands had short lived success with hit songs and vanished (Third Eye Blind, Toadies, Eve 6, Fastball, Semisonic, etc.). Linkin Park sort of had their hybrid sound at the turn of the century - and a couple others Evanescence, Killers, Kings of Leon - had moments, but then by the mid 2000s, you weren’t hearing many guitars on the charts any more.

(There were some good rock acts in the 1980s - but it was less blues rock that was the signature of earlier decades and more Cure, Depeche Mode, Tears for Fears, etc.).

I agree overall. I think the slow death of MTV and similar shows lead to a lot of the demise of Rock. Like I said earlier, there are still some very good Bands if you know where to look. Two of my most recent shows were really cool bands. Slow Pulp and Carseat Headrest. Definitely a different genre of Rock, but still really good music.

 

[boog204]

I agree overall. I think the slow death of MTV and similar shows lead to a lot of the demise of Rock. Like I said earlier, there are still some very good Bands if you know where to look. Two of my most recent shows were really cool bands. Slow Pulp and Carseat Headrest. Definitely a different genre of Rock, but still really good music.

MTV becoming whatever the hell they've become absolutely killed any notion of original "rock" IMO. As a result, you have this sorta homogenized, formulaic stuff that "works" for a brief period time and then rinse/repeat. The Nickelback/Creed/"Dad Rock" sorta thing. I remember at one point somebody layered like three Nickelback songs on top of one another and they were pretty much identical with verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bridge, chorus...
It's sad, though, because there's some really great music being written/recorded but it doesn't fit the earworm thing that the masses want so it goes unnoticed.

I mean I've been a teacher for 20+ years and a musician for over 30. I used to walk into my building and there would be multiple kids playing guitar; we had a twice-a-year battle of the bands and most kids were super into music. Honestly, I cannot remember the last time a kid was just playing guitar around the building and the battle of the bands died about 10 years ago. Most of my students today listen to what TikTok told them too.

 

[RuffRuff]

I have always kind of felt like the 90s was rock’s last stand. What we consider “classic rock” practically ended on Dec. 31, 1979. Between 1979-1981: John Lennon died, John Bonham died, Keith Moon died (The Who hung on for a little bit, with some meh stuff), Pink Floyd broke up, The Eagles broke up, Fleetwood Mac broke up, Queen had a disco hit. Tattoo You came out in 1981 and was probably the last Stones last hold on the mainstream. David Bowie shifted to glam rock (although he gave us SRV, who was one of the 80s standouts for classic rock style music), Eric Clapton shifted to soft adult contemporary produced by Phil Collins, the biggest Van Halen hit had EVH playing the synth and not the guitar.

The grunge movement has been oft mentioned as ending the hair band era, but a few 80s rock bands like U2, REM, Van Hagar and Metallica had big hits in early 90s simultaneously, and coupled with the grunge movement, the entire alt rock genre took off. Random rock bands like Blues Traveler were regulars in the MTV rotation. There were alt rock stations. MTV Unplugged was huge with Clapton going back to his roots, with Dylan and Bruce and Neil Young getting a platform, as well as Pearl Jam, Nirvana and Alice In Chains. Aerosmith kept their newfound popularity going. The annoying omnipresent stuff you couldn’t get away from, other than Mariah Carey, were often rock acts like Hootie and the Blowfish and Alanis Morrissette (and later Matchbox 20, Creed and Nickelback, alongside the boy band revival).

But that era came and went fast. Lots of alt rock bands had short lived success with hit songs and vanished (Third Eye Blind, Toadies, Eve 6, Fastball, Semisonic, etc.). Linkin Park sort of had their hybrid sound at the turn of the century - and a couple others Evanescence, Killers, Kings of Leon - had moments, but then by the mid 2000s, you weren’t hearing many guitars on the charts any more.

(There were some good rock acts in the 1980s - but it was less blues rock that was the signature of earlier decades and more Cure, Depeche Mode, Tears for Fears, etc.).

Dig a little deeper and you’ll find some alt bands that aren’t mainstream, just below the surface, and great.

Lord Huron
Vampire Weekend
Shins
City and Colour
Kaleo

Even they are aging out a bit, but great. It feels like the marketing of music these days pushes the wrong stuff to the top. Everyone looking to make a quick buck off generics vs marketing unique sounds. Remember Bjork? That woman would get no where these days. No one willing to take risks, super numbers driven.

 

[Gurleyman]

Dig a little deeper and you’ll find some alt bands that aren’t mainstream, just below the surface, and great.

Lord Huron
Vampire Weekend
Shins
City and Colour
Kaleo

Even they are aging out a bit, but great. It feels like the marketing of music these days pushes the wrong stuff to the top. Everyone looking to make a quick buck off generics vs marketing unique sounds. Remember Bjork? That woman would get no where these days. No one willing to take risks, super numbers driven.

there are a few modern acts I’ve liked that haven’t had a lot of staying power, including Lord Huron: I’ve seen the Head and the Heart a couple times, Houndmouth, Heartless Bastards, JJ Grey & Mofro, Band of Horses, Jamestown Revival. I have liked some of Black Keys. The Revivalists had some good stuff beyond their big hit (Wish I Knew You). Mostly its Pandora or Apple Music recs that point me in those directions.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

there are a few modern acts I’ve liked that haven’t had a lot of staying power, including Lord Huron: I’ve seen the Head and the Heart a couple times, Houndmouth, Heartless Bastards, JJ Grey & Mofro, Band of Horses, Jamestown Revival. I have liked some of Black Keys. The Revivalists had some good stuff beyond their big hit (Wish I Knew You). Mostly its Pandora or Apple Music recs that point me in those directions.

Houndmouth is great!

 

[superjohn]

Sabrina fills the market share for breathy bubble gum young female pop star with a catchy synthesized sound, generic. Always a market for it with tweenage girls. Just have to time entry in just as the last one gets old (Megan Trainor type). Get your catchy hit out, get the summer tour kicking, make your money and then fade into the horizon. I’m sure the agent is like, hey Ariana Grande’s last hit is fading, release!! When these girls sing I feel their açaí bowl breath hitting my face.

It truly is the worst kinda music, but there are young ears out there that eat it up.

The Meghan Trainor success was so bizarre. She looked like something out of an SNL skit where she's the unpopular girl at a high school talent show trying to prove to the popular crowd she's a pop star. Chris Farley would've played her.

 

[superjohn]

The most hilarious thing about this thread are the middle aged (or older) white guys complaining about the Super Bowl halftime show as if they are the target audience.

40 year old white guys is Kendrick Lamar's biggest demographic.

 

[uconnfan68]

Sometimes I forget that the average boneyarder is 73 years old.

Finally above average.

 

[RuffRuff]

The Meghan Trainor success was so bizarre. She looked like something out of an SNL skit where she's the unpopular girl at a high school talent show trying to prove to the popular crowd she's a pop star. Chris Farley would've played her.

Her sound wants me make me want to poke my eardrums out. It was different in that moment, a summertime high sound. But man it ages really really bad. All I feel when I hear the 5 seconds I’m listening is bleach blonde meets diner pancake breakfast.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

40 year old white guys is Kendrick Lamar's biggest demographic.

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Not the same as target audience. Especially specifically for his performance on Sunday.

 

[RuffRuff]

NFL, which is a marketing machine, did a nice job appealing to both parties. Halftime got the blue crowd amped, booing Taylor appealing to the red. They’ve come a long way since the Colin Kap days.

 

[HuskyWarrior611]

 

[husky429]

40 year old white guys is Kendrick Lamar's biggest demographic.

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The age ranges here are bizarre. 30-34 vs 35-44 is 5 vs 10 year sample. The 30-34 actually has more folks listening to him per capita (or whatever some mathy person would say lol)

 

[storrsroars]

The most hilarious thing about this thread are the middle aged (or older) white guys complaining about the Super Bowl halftime show as if they are the target audience.

Hey, we're the ones who built the NFL to what it is. And we're being taken for granted, ignored for the younguns. We're used to it and know we're not gonna like the music, but this was a whole new level.

Having old folks exposed to Lamar at halftime w/o a primer is like getting your social security check in Bitcoin. Wth do I do with this?

 

[CardiacAndre7]

Hey, we're the ones who built the NFL to what it is. And we're being taken for granted, ignored for the younguns. We're used to it and know we're not gonna like the music, but this was a whole new level.

Having old folks exposed to Lamar at halftime w/o a primer is like getting your social security check in Bitcoin. Wth do I do with this?

Yeah! What is the NFL doing?!? Should’ve had Graham Parker and the Rumour perform!

 

[Husky25]

40 year old white guys is Kendrick Lamar's biggest demographic.

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That's not what the above indicates. Adding up the 35-44 and 44-49 demo gives you 18.5%. Under 34 years old = 19%. Where is the other 62%? There is no indication of skin tone either.

 

[Husky25]

Hey, we're the ones who built the NFL to what it is. And we're being taken for granted, ignored for the younguns. We're used to it and know we're not gonna like the music, but this was a whole new level.

Having old folks exposed to Lamar at halftime w/o a primer is like getting your social security check in Bitcoin. Wth do I do with this?

Yes we are. Just like why Verizon sells new plans at a deep discount to T-Mobile and Apple converts.

 

[boog204]

Sounds like your using Def Leppard as a punchline, fair point, but at least everyone would have known the words. The singer would have sang, whether he hits the high notes or not and they even have a one- armed drummer. 110 million records sold most legit sales and not internet bots fake playing/downloaded singles. Ken-Drake is like HulkHogan bitching about MachoMan.

If you live in Minnesota, they are playing the State Fair this year! Big gig. (Just being a tool...) Not a Def Lep fan in the least; although I admit Pyromania and Hysteria had cool cover art.

 

[superjohn]

The age ranges here are bizarre. 30-34 vs 35-44 is 5 vs 10 year sample. The 30-34 actually has more folks listening to him per capita (or whatever some mathy person would say lol)

True, white guys are the largest demographic of his fanbase. He should try and target middle age white guys even more, they have by far the most money in the country as a demographic.

 

[storrsroars]

Yeah! What is the NFL doing?!? Should’ve had Graham Parker and the Rumour perform!

Man, I though he died awhile back. Yeah, having GP on a bill with Nick Lowe, Dave Edmunds, maybe Dwight Twilley and Greg Kihn will sell a lot of Viagra.

I was always disappointed Talking Heads never got a shot at it.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

Man, I though he died awhile back. Yeah, having GP on a bill with Nick Lowe, Dave Edmunds, maybe Dwight Twilley and Greg Kihn will sell a lot of Viagra.

I was always disappointed Talking Heads never got a shot at it.

Talking Heads would’ve been fun, I must admit.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

True, white guys are the largest demographic of his fanbase. He should try and target middle age white guys even more, they have by far the most money in the country as a demographic.

Tons of middle aged white guys in Compton!

 

[superjohn]

Tons of middle aged white guys in Compton!

Tons of Kendrick Lamar ticket sales coming out of Compton!

 

[husky429]

True, white guys are the largest demographic of his fanbase. He should try and target middle age white guys even more, they have by far the most money in the country as a demographic.

I would imagine that's true of most rappers. 60% of the country is still white after all. Black is, what, 10-15% or something?