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ericsandiego said:
Guys come on - this is Rutgers. When was the least time they actually beat Tennessee? I would not be surprised to see RU lose this game - not because they are awful, but because they just have such a terrible track record vs. Tennessee...
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You were right :oops:

I pull for the Red Knights twice this season.... and both times they fail me :oops:
 
The stunning thing about this game, especially on the RU side, was the insane amount of 1 on 1 play and high degree of difficulty shot attempts. To Tennessee's credit, I saw them run more offense than I've ever seen before, but still, they looked pedestrian most of the time.
 
This game was very painful to watch. A lot of bricks thrown up at the basket.
 
connboy77 said:
This game was very painful to watch. A lot of bricks thrown up at the basket.
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By both teams. I meant to add to my post that while Tennessee would try to run offense for about 5-10 seconds, it would invariably degenerate in to an off balance one on one shot. Of course, O-boards kept them in the game...
 
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rvwsleep said:
Sagarin has the teams as even (Rutgers # 23 - Tennessee #24) but the home court advantage gives Rutgers a 4 point edge.
Who am I to argue with Sagarin ? Rutgers by 4.
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Not sure what ratings you're referencing here, but Sagarin had Tennessee winning by roughly 7 points.
 
Didn't read the above,
but sadly watched the game.
Almost gave up at the half…the worst half of basketball I've just about ever seen
(although I do remember an ugly final-4 game against Stanford).
Seemed that for both teams if they didn't score after a scrum to the basket, that was it.
Who ever said that Rutgers was running a hot new offense lied.
Unless, they were playing down to UTenn's ability (which I secretly think actually happened).
What a mess.
How sad for a National viewing audience.

Positives: UTenn's D was not terrible (actually hard to evaluate under the circumstances).
Can't think of any other.
 
The teams were a combined 38 of 130 from the floor (2 of 15 from 3 pt) for a sparkling 29%.
A total of 17 assists combined.
Frodo said:
Not sure what ratings you're referencing here, but Sagarin had Tennessee winning by roughly 7 points.
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I was using Sagarin's "rating" figure - The overall RATING is a synthesis of the three different methods, with more total weight to the two completely SCORE-BASED methods and thus should be a good predictor in its own right.
Rutgers #23 rating =87.72
Tennessee #24 rating = 87.47
4 points for the home court advantage

23 Rutgers = 87.72 8 1 67.41( 226) 0 1 | 1 1 | 85.15 31 | 87.76 22 | 89.61 16
24 Tennessee = 87.47 6 2 64.65( 281) 0 1 | 0 1 | 96.82 4 | 98.01 5 | 77.70 77

Of the other three methods, you were evidently using either the first or second method, the third method has Rutgers winning.
Does that clear things up ?
 
I was looking forward to seeing our players who have had games with great assist numbers, outstanding shooting numbers, double-doubles in almost every game (Laney), huge rebounding totals, etc., etc.

That team didn't show up. Or Tennessee didn't let them show up. One or the other.
 
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As an FYI, I just read on the Rutgers board (article was linked) that Laney was hurt on the first play of the game and was ineffective for that reason (the wrist injury that was bandaged in the 2nd half).

She goes to the Doctor tomorrow.
 
msf22b said:
Didn't read the above,
but sadly watched the game.
Almost gave up at the half…the worst half of basketball I've just about ever seen
(although I do remember an ugly final-4 game against Stanford).
Seemed that for both teams if they didn't score after a scrum to the basket, that was it.
Who ever said that Rutgers was running a hot new offense lied.
Unless, they were playing down to UTenn's ability (which I secretly think actually happened).
What a mess.
How sad for a National viewing audience.

Positives: UTenn's D was not terrible (actually hard to evaluate under the circumstances).
Can't think of any other.
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Regarding Tn's defense, in the post game presser, Holly said she wanted her team to play man to man in the 2nd half. However the players decided they would play zone. Holly didn't try to stop them. Her logic, they are the ones who have to do the playing. I was astounded at this admission. So if you liked the D, the credit goes to the players, not the coach.
 
Two different times in the game a TN player made a cross-court pass to 2 TN players standing next to each other and they leaped into each other to catch it! Is this a new play from Ms. Basketball, Holly Warlick?
From the post above, the players are still running the TN team, not the Coaching staff!
 
Yes, I to wasted the better part of the afternoon, having hoped for an up-tempo scoring contest. My greatest disappointment was for WCBB itself. Two supposedly elite clubs displaying a brick laying, schoolyard brand of ball. WCBB won no new friends of that ugly display.
 
rvwsleep said:
The teams were a combined 38 of 130 from the floor (2 of 15 from 3 pt) for a sparkling 29%.
A total of 17 assists combined.


I was using Sagarin's "rating" figure - The overall RATING is a synthesis of the three different methods, with more total weight to the two completely SCORE-BASED methods and thus should be a good predictor in its own right.
Rutgers #23 rating =87.72
Tennessee #24 rating = 87.47
4 points for the home court advantage

23 Rutgers = 87.72 8 1 67.41( 226) 0 1 | 1 1 | 85.15 31 | 87.76 22 | 89.61 16
24 Tennessee = 87.47 6 2 64.65( 281) 0 1 | 0 1 | 96.82 4 | 98.01 5 | 77.70 77

Of the other three methods, you were evidently using either the first or second method, the third method has Rutgers winning.
Does that clear things up ?
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Actually, I was going by the 'Predictor', which has proven to be very accurate over the years for 'predicting'...much more so than the overall rating. Does that clear thing up?
 
After watching this team for about all ten games, I know how the team played yesterday wasn't how we've normally plays. I have to give Tennessee credit because they really didn't let us get out and run a lot, which is what we really like doing. But that doesn't change the fact that we missed shots we'd normally make, gave up rebounding in the second half, and took stupid shots in the final minutes. However, I still look at it like it's still early, and we're still going to get better.

So, for those of you who's this was the first you've seen of Rutgers this year, I agree we played awful yesterday. However, how we want to play, and how we have been playing is much closer to how we played in the UNC game.

Also, I pray that Betnijah Laney's hand will be alright, she injured it on the first play of the game, and I don't know why she was out there. Although it explains how she played.

Looking ahead to the start of B1G play, and I still believe we'll challenge, and we've got a great shot at winning the B1G.
 
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Frodo said:
Actually, I was going by the 'Predictor', which has proven to be very accurate over the years for 'predicting'...much more so than the overall rating. Does that clear thing up?
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So if your familiar with Sagarin you couldn't figure out that I was using one of the other methods on the website ?
I'm curious, do you have the statistical analysis verifying your quote " I was going by the 'Predictor', which has proven to be very accurate over the years for 'predicting'...much more so than the overall rating." ? I would like to see it. If accurate I would change which method I refer to in the future.
 
It was a good win. Even though some shots didn't fall. It was still a good effort. Burdick had her GMA Summer folks there.
 
Bestiarius said:
Regarding Tn's defense, in the post game presser, Holly said she wanted her team to play man to man in the 2nd half. However the players decided they would play zone. Holly didn't try to stop them. Her logic, they are the ones who have to do the playing. I was astounded at this admission. So if you liked the D, the credit goes to the players, not the coach.
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She actually said that? Holy cow. No wonder the team has been a complete shambles the past two years, the players know they can do what they want on the floor & the coach won't rein them in.

I'm stunned by this. :eek:
 
I don't get it. This is the 2nd or 3rd season where we've seen/heard things from HW like this - "I will take the fault of us shooting poorly because we haven't spent a lot of time shooting the basketball," Warlick said. "We have spent more time with this group stopping the basketball. That has been our priority. These kids when you recruit them they are great offensive players, so we have it in us, but it's up to us, the coaches, to turn them into great defensive players."

It's now end of 1st semester. Most teams have approx. 10 games under their belts. If you haven't worked much on office at this point, when do you start?
 
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CamrnCrz1974 said:
Is there a way to nominate this for "post of the day?" Any post that references "Buffalo Stance" and can have it flow (tangentially) is simply awesome!!!
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I knew there was at least one other Yarder out there under age 60.
 
RSHERMVIKES said:
Beemer- - - -Why do you think DD chose TN when she transferred from NoCar? Same deal she got at NoCar, the coaches will not bother her BB play!
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It's her dream school.
 
Bestiarius said:
Regarding Tn's defense, in the post game presser, Holly said she wanted her team to play man to man in the 2nd half. However the players decided they would play zone. Holly didn't try to stop them. Her logic, they are the ones who have to do the playing. I was astounded at this admission. So if you liked the D, the credit goes to the players, not the coach.
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I went and listened to that part:

Interviewer: “Talk about the zone, how big it was for you down the stretch, and your thinking behind going to it. I think the last 7 minutes that’s pretty much all you played.”

Holly: “Well we needed it. We needed it – Scaife got off a little bit. We needed to slow them up and try to get somebody else to take shots. And so we used a 2-3 zone, 3-2 zone… Look, I love man-to-man. I’m a man-to-man defensive pressure coach. But I also want to win a basketball game, so if we need to run zone, we’re going to run zone. And that’s what we did. I thought it was… They moved out of it, and had a lot of confidence in it. At the end of the game I was calling man-to-man switching and they called 3, so… They’re on the floor so their opinion prevailed over mine at the very end.

Interviewer: “So they called the zone even when you ______?

Holly: (Laughing) “Yeah. It worked, I’ll take it.”

To me it didn't sound quite as bad as "inmates running the asylum." Maybe like they have an understanding that the players on the floor have certain latitude to react as the game on the floor calls for in crunch time. ?? Not sure I agree with that coaching philosophy (if that's what it is), but in any case it didn't sound to me like the players were just blatantly defying her.
 
j66kicker said:
I went and listened to that part:

Interviewer: “Talk about the zone, how big it was for you down the stretch, and your thinking behind going to it. I think the last 7 minutes that’s pretty much all you played.”

Holly: “Well we needed it. We needed it – Scaife got off a little bit. We needed to slow them up and try to get somebody else to take shots. And so we used a 2-3 zone, 3-2 zone… Look, I love man-to-man. I’m a man-to-man defensive pressure coach. But I also want to win a basketball game, so if we need to run zone, we’re going to run zone. And that’s what we did. I thought it was… They moved out of it, and had a lot of confidence in it. At the end of the game I was calling man-to-man switching and they called 3, so… They’re on the floor so their opinion prevailed over mine at the very end.

Interviewer: “So they called the zone even when you ______?

Holly: (Laughing) “Yeah. It worked, I’ll take it.”

To me it didn't sound quite as bad as "inmates running the asylum." Maybe like they have an understanding that the players on the floor have certain latitude to react as the game on the floor calls for in crunch time. ?? Not sure I agree with that coaching philosophy (if that's what it is), but in any case it didn't sound to me like the players were just blatantly defying her.
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I agree. Far be it for me to defend anything Tennessee related, but how many times has Geno just sat back when the team was struggling and let them figure it out? Sounds like something similar - the players felt the zone would work and that's what they went with. I would think the coach would be proud they figured it out on their own...

Now I need to take a shower... I feel dirty!!
 
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