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Not very impressive by Baylor. We really missed Alexis Prince (out 2-4 weeks with torn lateral meniscus) as she is our best perimeter defender. Jones still trying to find her comfort zone on offense.

Brown looked good. Mompremier got in Mulkey's doghouse about something. She got pulled, got a talking to and never saw the floor again.

And too many missed FTs. Lots of "lessons to be learned" as JPM would say.
 

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Dawn wasn't mad with her team's performance vs. OSU, but rather with their performance vs. a very bad Clemson team in the following game.

And I don't think that Mulkey will be that disappointed in her team's performance, as there is a huge difference between Clemson, which is probably ranked 200th or so, and a very tough USF team that is ranked top 20. I just look at this game as a statement game by USF. Losing a close game in Waco will turn some heads.

Williams is quite the offensive player. She is fun to watch, even when she is torching you.
 

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Dawn wasn't mad with her team's performance vs. OSU, but rather with their performance vs. a very bad Clemson team in the following game.

And I don't think that Mulkey will be that disappointed in her team's performance, as there is a huge difference between Clemson, which is probably ranked 200th or so, and a very tough USF team that is ranked top 20. I just look at this game as a statement game by USF. Losing a close game in Waco will turn some heads.

I think you are correct.

Just once I'd love to see USF start out quickly against a ranked opponent. Invariably, they start out slow and have to climb out of a big hole, just like in this game.

USF is still learning how to win against quality opponents. Having said that, they do have a lot of heart and never give up. I suspect that sooner, rather than later, USF will get over the hump and get a statement WIN. We have a few other good opportunities against non conference opponents, such as Miss St and Louisville.
 

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If I'm Kim, I'm concerned her team let USF hang around even though they shot 15 more Free Throws and held them to 31% shooting.

If I'm Jose, I'm thinking we let a win against a Top 5 Program get away. Shoot 40% for the game and we win. Courtney Williams took 29 shots to get her 23 points. She's got to get to the line more frequently as she only shot 2 Free Throws. An interesting stat USF took 23 more shots then Baylor did.

Box Score: http://espn.go.com/womens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400852568
 

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With about 4 minutes left in the game, 57-54 Baylor and that's with Courtney Williams shooting 8-25. You thought Dawn was mad with her team's performance vs. OSU?...Baylor is probably going to pull this game out, but I love seeing the AAC taking it to Mulkey's big bad Bears in Wacko.

She messed up- her OOC schedule is always a joke. If she thought all AAC teams were cupcakes, she was mistaken. Win or lose- great job USF!!

1:50 left, 63-58 Baylor. :( Its pretty much over. Good job, Jose.

If you read Mulkey's pre-game comments you will find that she was highly complimentary of USF and talked about what a good game she expected. Sounds like someone has a AAC chip on their shoulder.
 
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The halftime entertainment included 3 very young boys dunking on a 3-4' basket and then 2 slightly older boys competing in something called "Dress Like a Lady Bear." They have to run down the court, put on a jersey, then shorts (both WAY too large), and sneakers, then grab a ball and make a hoop. The name of the event sounded just a little odd to me. I had no idea that folks in Waco were so tolerant about cross-dressing. ;)
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After the game, Mulkey said of her point guard Niya Johnson, who played an excellent game:

"If there's anything better in the country than that kid, I'd like to see it, because she flat-out guarded (Courtney) Williams. She hit the big free throw. She just makes us go. She's tired, but she never lets fatigue be an excuse. I sure am glad I have her."

Well, "see it."
 

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After the game, Mulkey said of her point guard Niya Johnson, who played an excellent game:

"If there's anything better in the country than that kid, I'd like to see it, because she flat-out guarded (Courtney) Williams. She hit the big free throw. She just makes us go. She's tired, but she never lets fatigue be an excuse. I sure am glad I have her."

Well, "see it."
Johnson's a good one. She had 13 assists.

Baylor had 21 assists on 23 baskets. :eek:
 
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I think you are correct.

Just once I'd love to see USF start out quickly against a ranked opponent. Invariably, they start out slow and have to climb out of a big hole, just like in this game.

USF is still learning how to win against quality opponents. Having said that, they do have a lot of heart and never give up. I suspect that sooner, rather than later, USF will get over the hump and get a statement WIN. We have a few other good opportunities against non conference opponents, such as Miss St and Louisville.
USF is a great team. Among the top 2 in the AAC. Williams was a bit off with her shooting--otherwise USF wins this one.

It will be fun to see them play against top AAC teams.
 
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After the game, Mulkey said of her point guard Niya Johnson, who played an excellent game:

"If there's anything better in the country than that kid, I'd like to see it, because she flat-out guarded (Courtney) Williams. She hit the big free throw. She just makes us go. She's tired, but she never lets fatigue be an excuse. I sure am glad I have her."

Well, "see it."
Isn't it great that a coach praises her players for playing a great game???
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Johnson's a good one. She had 13 assists.

Baylor had 21 assists on 23 baskets. :eek:

Johnson is the type of player that Mulkey loves. She is going to get her teammates involved, not necessarily the type that is looking to shoot first and take 10 - 15 shots a game. But she certainly has the ability to score if she wants to, and at times does that also. She rebounds well for a guard and plays solid defense. Her stat line of 10 points, 8 rebounds and 13 assists is about as good as you will see.

Just think about that assist stat of 13 in comparison to how many assists UCONN had as a team against Ohio State, which was 16. That tells you how good she is at distributing the ball. That is AA stuff right there but she doesn't get many looks because she doesn't score as many points as some other PGs in the country.
 

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USF is a great team. Among the top 2 in the AAC. Williams was a bit off with her shooting--otherwise USF wins this one.

It will be fun to see them play against top AAC teams.

When a player is a bit off their game against UCONN, doesn't UCONN's defense usually get the credit? Williams didn't have a better game because she wasn't allowed to.
 
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When a player is a bit off their game against UCONN, doesn't UCONN's defense usually get the credit? Williams didn't have a better game because she wasn't allowed to.
Even a coach can truly never tell whether a player is a "bit off" or the defense was responsible for a bad night/day.
USF is an AAC team. Why not take the high road and say--a bit off???

The second part of this is :: UConn defense is usually the top defense in the country.\
 

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Even a coach can truly never tell whether a player is a "bit off" or the defense was responsible for a bad night/day.
USF is an AAC team. Why not take the high road and say--a bit off???

The second part of this is :: UConn defense is usually the top defense in the country.\

Maybe coaches can't, but everyone on this board can tell that when a player performs poorly against UCONN that it is a result of the UCONN defense.

You may also notice that Baylor is typically one of the top defenses in the county, also.
 
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The outcome should make USF feel good--and bad. Good that, with a little more early shooting success, the Bulls would have won, and bad that they didn't. Baylor does have enormous posts; I'd swear at the opening tip the Bear center cast a shadow over half the court. BU also has two fine players in Niya and Nina. Coach Mulkey surprised by wearing a conservative gray pant suit. Enjoyed all the TX drawls; the announcer sounded like Andy Griffith or GW Bush trying to say "nuclear peninsula." I'd pay just to see the elegant Courteny Williams play any day of the week . . .
 
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Maybe coaches can't, but everyone on this board can tell that when a player performs poorly against UCONN that it is a result of the UCONN defense.

You may also notice that Baylor is typically one of the top defenses in the county, also.
If you read, with comprehension< you'll note that I never mentioned Baylor --negatively or positively. I happen to like many of the Baylor players--and Mulkey always gives me something to discuss.
I was specifically speaking of a kid who plays for the same Conference that Uconn plays in and who I think is a fantastic player---she was really really really--off a bit in shooting.
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Johnson is the type of player that Mulkey loves. She is going to get her teammates involved, not necessarily the type that is looking to shoot first and take 10 - 15 shots a game. But she certainly has the ability to score if she wants to, and at times does that also. She rebounds well for a guard and plays solid defense. Her stat line of 10 points, 8 rebounds and 13 assists is about as good as you will see.

Just think about that assist stat of 13 in comparison to how many assists UCONN had as a team against Ohio State, which was 16. That tells you how good she is at distributing the ball. That is AA stuff right there but she doesn't get many looks because she doesn't score as many points as some other PGs in the country.

Johnson is the type of player COACHES love and most fans (Baylor or not) love to watch.
She was a great freshman and has evolved each year. It would be good to see her and Gabby go head to head.
 

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Johnson is the type of player that Mulkey loves. She is going to get her teammates involved, not necessarily the type that is looking to shoot first and take 10 - 15 shots a game. But she certainly has the ability to score she wants to, and at times does that also. She rebounds well for a guard and plays solid defense.

Just think about that assist stat of 13 in comparison to how many assists UCONN had as a team against Ohio State, which was 16. That tells you how good she is at distributing the ball. That is AA stuff right there but she doesn't get many looks because she doesn't score as many points as some other PGs in the country.
I think Johnson is a great PG (I like Allen at ND a lot as well.) What I find interesting is the different way Uconn plays offense compared to Baylor specifically, but many other really good teams as well. As an example in 2015:

Uconn had 828 assists, Moriah led the team with 191 or 23.1% of the total. And the four other starters all had over 100 assists each, with a sixth player with 74.

Baylor had 773 assists, Niya led with 322 or 41.7%. No one else had a 100 assist with one player coming in at 91 and the third highest player at 74.

The numbers generally hold true year after year and point to very different offensive concepts - Uconn is usually at the top of the assist per game and total assists per year numbers and Baylor is not far behind, but the Uconn record for most assist in a year is almost 100 assists fewer than Niya's total last year. In fact there have only been three player/seasons with at least 200 assists and the record is 231.

We had a discussion about position identifiers 1=PG, 2=Shooting guard, etc. and how they were becoming less relevant to how the game is played today. But it really is team specific, and the Baylor offense clearly has a player who is PG whose job is to make the pass that leads to the basket, and the stats back it up.

[This is not a criticism in any way, just an identification of variations in the way you can achieve the same result - a very good, winning basketball team.]

As far as the OSU game - the assist total points to two things I think:
1. OSU defense and defensive rotation - not very good which meant that beating a defender off the dribble led to an easy basket at the rim with little help defense to force a pass rather than the lay-up.
2. A starting lineup with five players capable of driving to the basket, no real post player currently playing, and Geno's comment that with that lineup, he is hoping for more of that style of offense. It will be interesting to see how that plays out over the year.
 

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An interesting stat USF took 23 more shots then Baylor did.

Box Score: http://espn.go.com/womens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400852568

A lot of that is reflected in the free throw numbers 29-14 reflects Baylor getting fouled in the act of shooting maybe 7 more times than USF leading to no shot attempt. Add in a much worse shooting percentage which led to more chances for offensive rebounds (+6) even while being out-rebounded.
 
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Johnson is the type of player that Mulkey loves. She is going to get her teammates involved, not necessarily the type that is looking to shoot first and take 10 - 15 shots a game. But she certainly has the ability to score if she wants to, and at times does that also. She rebounds well for a guard and plays solid defense. Her stat line of 10 points, 8 rebounds and 13 assists is about as good as you will see.

Just think about that assist stat of 13 in comparison to how many assists UCONN had as a team against Ohio State, which was 16. That tells you how good she is at distributing the ball. That is AA stuff right there but she doesn't get many looks because she doesn't score as many points as some other PGs in the country.

Niya Johnson is a great point guard, a Nancy Lieberman Award Finalist, the one I'd like to see on UConn's side if we didn't have Moriah. I completely understand why Mulkey loves that kid. She does everything you'd want a team leader to do and does it well. I'm not trying to belittle Johnson's significant accomplishments, but most diehard fans (and I am one) are usually going to believe their kids are THE BEST, whether it's legit or not.

I think UcMiami said it perfectly, but one last observation about Niya's incredible assist numbers. And they are fantastic. But from the games I've seen and box scores, Baylor has not been blessed with particularly good 3-point shooters. Against USF, Baylor went 2 for 6 from three. Very few teams take so few threes. Or could win making just two 3-ponters in a game. The three is a big part of UConn's game, while Baylor's game emphasizes an inside/low post style. As a result, Niya's passes generally don't go to lower-percentage, long-range shooters beyond the arc but are predominantly going into the low post, for higher percentage shots taken by great finishers (Nina Davis) and big strong (Higgins, Brown, Cave, last year Agbuke) interior frontcourt players.

(In 2014, Baylor went 120-353 from the 3-point line while UConn shot 330/813 from three, neither a good thing nor a bad thing, just a reflection of the two teams' very different styles of play. By virtue of those decidedly different styles of play, Moriah could never come close to Niya's incredible assist totals.)
 
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Niya Johnson is a great point guard, a Nancy Lieberman Award Finalist, the one I'd like to see on UConn's side if we didn't have Moriah. I completely understand why Mulkey loves that kid. She does everything you'd want a team leader to do and does it well. I'm not trying to belittle Johnson's significant accomplishments, but most diehard fans (and I am one) are usually going to believe their kids are THE BEST, whether it's legit or not.

I think UcMiami said it perfectly, but one last observation about Niya's incredible assist numbers. And they are fantastic. But from the games I've seen and box scores, Baylor has not been blessed with particularly good 3-point shooters. Against USF, Baylor went 2 for 6 from three. Very few teams take so few threes. Or could win making just two 3-ponters in a game. The three is a big part of UConn's game, while Baylor's game emphasizes an inside/low post style. As a result, Niya's passes generally don't go to lower-percentage, long-range shooters beyond the arc but are predominantly going into the low post, for higher percentage shots taken by great finishers (Nina Davis) and big strong (Higgins, Brown, Cave, last year Agbuke) interior frontcourt players.

(In 2014, Baylor went 120-353 from the 3-point line while UConn shot 330/813 from three, neither a good thing nor a bad thing, just a reflection of the two teams' very different styles of play. By virtue of those decidedly different styles of play, Moriah could never come close to Niya's incredible assist totals.)

Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't a player get an assist if they pass the ball to an open teammate who then makes a 3?

I think what keeps Jefferson's assist numbers lower is not that UCONN relies on the three, but that she shoots more than Johnson (not a knock) and that UCONN has more good passers, which means that the assists are more spread out.
 
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