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Is Stewie at the top? Will she be if she wins Most Outstanding Player at the Final Four all four years? Pretty hard to top that acheivment. Thoughts?
 
Yes, no one can be even close to Stewie at this year.
 
Watching Stewie the last 3 years and seeing just how much she has mastered the game has been a delight. I complained to myself for 2 and a half years about her not being tough and not rebounding the way I thought she should. She has surpassed my expectation and then some. Personally I would take her no. 1, she just does everything. To take a quote from 79 about Bird and Magic. Bird can score but Magic can do more. There are a lot scorers out there some people might take but Stewie can do more. UConn is lucky to have her.
 
I remember her 1st few games & Geno saying she could be the best to ever come through the program. I wasn't convinced at the time but by the end of this season I may be :)
 
She won't have the points scored or the blocked shots, but she will have the NCs and F4 MOPs. She'll have changed the face of WCBB from the 2013 NCAA tourney on.

I think she finishes her college career with 16 total NPOY awards. Did Maya get that many? Stewie got the AP NPOY, Naismith,Honda, and USBWA in 2014, all six in 2015 (the four I referenced from 2014 plus Wooden and Wade), and probably clean sweeps again this season with the way she's playing.

And if she does indeed dunk this time around, it catapults her visibility to a stratosphere you don't see much in WCBB. I think she goes for a dunk again on Senior Day 2/27.
 
If Stewie can finish off her dream of 4 NCAA titles she will be on the top of the WBB mountain as the greatest WBB player of all time! At this moment she ranks in the top 5 with DT, Swoopes, Maya Moore, & Tamika Catchings IMO!
 
No matter what Stewie does to finish off her career, whenever Geno is asked about the greatest UConn player he's ever coached, he always vacillates with the usual platitudes about how hard it is to pick one but the very first name out of his mouth is always the same, DT3. She is the most referenced player in any of his interviews, so we know how he feels. GOAT is a very tough conversation, except in pro Football, but if Stewie wins her 4th Natty and 4th MOP it'll be hard not to put her at the top of the heap.
 
I'd be careful judging a player's place in history by the number of awards she receives. There are too many tangential factors to identify exactly why players are chosen AA, MOP, NPOY.

Court presense is the best consideration I think. What does a player mean to her team when she's on the court? How does she affect the game? For how many years was she the most influential player in the country.

Catchings and Parker were that player for Tennessee for their careers. Griner at Baylor, and we've had three that truly fit that mold. Taurasi, Maya and now Stewie.

There are other potential nominees but the total number of players that have dominated the game in this way while they played is not great.

Taurasi was the greatest single force the game has seen. Skill, leadership, pure bravado. Maya was the best athlete I've seen play the game. The fluid nature of her game, her instincts and her determination. But Stewie brings with her size the abilty to hurt an opponent from anywhere on the court.

All three are great athletes. All could score, pass and defend, and all are champions. D and Maya have continued to prove that in their pro and international careers. I don't see a need to rate them against each other.

Ask yourself if Stewie would being going for four if Steff were not on the court with her those first two years, or if Maya would have finished her career here with 150 wins and only four loses if Tina was not her teammate for three of those years, and of course Taurasi played with four first round WNBA draftpicks her fist two years.

A tweak here or there and anyone of them might have four NC's or, managed only one. I'm not a statistics guy. How many wins a player accumulates is a function of team. What they do, and what they mean when they are on the court is the best way to judge a players value; their legacy.

If we somehow get beaten in the tournament will Stewie's supporters drop her a knotch? We've been lucky enough to watch a long string of AA's play for Geno and we've had more NPOY than any other program. And at the top of that impressive congregation of talent we hoist three of the best who ever played the game.

I have no problem letting them stand side-by-side.
 
Bonpland said:
If we somehow get beaten in the tournament will Stewie's supporters drop her a knotch?
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Yes, but in terms of accomplishments that would still put her side by side with Taurasi and 1 notch above Maya.
Championships is/was the discriminator between Maya, DT, Brittney, Parker, and Cheryl Miller in the GOAT discussions so in that regard Stewie cannot be beaten she can only be tied IMO.
 
Roundball fan said:
Watching Stewie the last 3 years and seeing just how much she has mastered the game has been a delight. I complained to myself for 2 and a half years about her not being tough and not rebounding the way I thought she should. She has surpassed my expectation and then some. Personally I would take her no. 1, she just does everything. To take a quote from 79 about Bird and Magic. Bird can score but Magic can do more. There are a lot scorers out there some people might take but Stewie can do more. UConn is lucky to have her.
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I agree. When UConn is shooting above 5o% from 2pt land, nearly 50% from 3pt land and forcing their opponents to turn the ball over at a high rate, I would say that it is rather difficult for Stewie to have Rodman-like rebounding numbers. UConn is very efficient machine in putting the ball in the basket and keeping other teams from attempting to put the ball in their basket. Think that she's done a tremendous job. When it's all said and done, she's on pace to be in 4th place on the UConn women's all time rebound list.
 
She is a game changer.....and I mean the game of WBB. Can play all five positions
 
Championships have a lot to do with your supporting class. Stewie was fortunate to have Dolson KML,Bria,Tuck,Moriah and this year's cast.Taurasi was part of two tremendous teams.I wonder if Maya would have won Four if she had been as fortunate.Catchings name always come up in the GOAT conversation,but she won how many Championships at Tenn.Holslaw(excuse the spelling)won three and no one mentioned her name. Delle Donne won how many ?There are a few considered among the GOAT with no Championship rings,such as,Ted Williams,Butkus,Marino,Barry Sanders,Earl Cambell,Banks,and Elgin Baylor.Stewie belong in the Best ever at UConn but I consider Maya Moore the GOAT because she was the complete player.
 
Huskybass said:
Is Stewie at the top? Will she be if she wins Most Outstanding Player at the Final Four all four years? Pretty hard to top that acheivment. Thoughts?
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My take is no. To me, DT is the GOAT. Look what she did with the teams she had in 2003 amd 2004. DT had no where near the talent Stewie has had for her 4 years or the Maya had when she won the 2 NC. If Stewie doesn't have the talent, does she win 4? Probably not. And Maya didn't win with the same team she had her sophmore year and couldn't carry her team her senior year. DT on the other hand, carried the team to 2 consecutive championships.
 
I figured this would create some real good discussion. DT, MM and BS are all time greats, and a case could be made for any of the three.
 
Stewie will be in the top 3 at Uconn but dont forget she played with AA every year.Maya had AA besides her in her sophmore and junior years and 2 NC.Diana played with numerous AA her freshmen and sophmore years but her jr. and sr. years it was just her and she won NC both years in a way nobody else has ever done.Imo Taurasi is the top Connecticut player of all time but also the top Wcbb player of all time!
 
Willie E.Gold said:
Championships have a lot to do with your supporting class. Stewie was fortunate to have Dolson KML,Bria,Tuck,Moriah and this year's cast.Taurasi was part of two tremendous teams.I wonder if Maya would have won Four if she had been as fortunate. Catchings name always come up in the GOAT conversation,but she won how many Championships at Tenn.Holslaw(excuse the spelling)won three and no one mentioned her name. Delle Donne won how many ?There are a few considered among the GOAT with no Championship rings,such as,Ted Williams,Butkus,Marino,Barry Sanders,Earl Cambell,Banks,and Elgin Baylor.Stewie belong in the Best ever at UConn but I consider Maya Moore the GOAT because she was the complete player.
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Charles + Montgomery + Huston + Maya ( Freshmen) = No Championship
Hartley + Dolson + Faris + Maya (Senior) = No Championship.
Hartley, Dolson, Faris & + KML = No Championships
Hartley, Dolson Faris & KML + Stewie (Freshmen) = Championship.
Hartley, Dolson & KML + Stewie = Championship * This might be the best WCAA team of all time.
KML + Stewie +Healthy Tuck + Grown up MoJeff = Championship
Stewie +Healthy Tuck + MoJeff =TBD Championship

Stewie was fortunate with her teammates but Maya had comparable talent as Freshmen & Senior. and did not achieve a championship.
 
Bonpland said:
I'd be careful judging a player's place in history by the number of awards she receives. There are too many tangential factors to identify exactly why players are chosen AA, MOP, NPOY.

Court presense is the best consideration I think. What does a player mean to her team when she's on the court? How does she affect the game? For how many years was she the most influential player in the country.

Catchings and Parker were that player for Tennessee for their careers. Griner at Baylor, and we've had three that truly fit that mold. Taurasi, Maya and now Stewie.

There are other potential nominees but the total number of players that have dominated the game in this way while they played is not great.

Taurasi was the greatest single force the game has seen. Skill, leadership, pure bravado. Maya was the best athlete I've seen play the game. The fluid nature of her game, her instincts and her determination. But Stewie brings with her size the abilty to hurt an opponent from anywhere on the court.

All three are great athletes. All could score, pass and defend, and all are champions. D and Maya have continued to prove that in their pro and international careers. I don't see a need to rate them against each other.

Ask yourself if Stewie would being going for four if Steff were not on the court with her those first two years, or if Maya would have finished her career here with 150 wins and only four loses if Tina was not her teammate for three of those years, and of course Taurasi played with four first round WNBA draftpicks her fist two years.

A tweak here or there and anyone of them might have four NC's or, managed only one. I'm not a statistics guy. How many wins a player accumulates is a function of team. What they do, and what they mean when they are on the court is the best way to judge a players value; their legacy.

If we somehow get beaten in the tournament will Stewie's supporters drop her a knotch? We've been lucky enough to watch a long string of AA's play for Geno and we've had more NPOY than any other program. And at the top of that impressive congregation of talent we hoist three of the best who ever played the game.

I have no problem letting them stand side-by-side.
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the perfect analysis.
 
iamcbs said:
No matter what Stewie does to finish off her career, whenever Geno is asked about the greatest UConn player he's ever coached, he always vacillates with the usual platitudes about how hard it is to pick one but the very first name out of his mouth is always the same, DT3. She is the most referenced player in any of his interviews, so we know how he feels. GOAT is a very tough conversation, except in pro Football, but if Stewie wins her 4th Natty and 4th MOP it'll be hard not to put her at the top of the heap.
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Yep. If I'm starting a team, I'm taking DT every single time. I want the killer.

That said, if UCONN wins its 4th in a row, I'd probably put Stewie over her in terms of 'Greatest UCONN Player'. I'm a big championship guy. The caveat is that Stewie has had far, far more to work with in terms of teammates than Diana during the latter half of her career.
 
Well, we have gone five rounds in another thread on personal stats vs. team stats and fought to a draw, so I will just mention that with everything that Stewart has already accomplished and the good things to come this year, she will still finish behind Maya in the following statistics:
1. Points - wide margin
2. Assists - wide margin
3. Assits/TO
4. Rebounds
5. Steals - wide margin

Stewart will win only one statistical category: Blocks - wide margin

Shooting - Moore currently leads comfortably in both overall and 3 point percentages, but Stewart is having an anomalous year so if that continues they will be pretty close.

They will have both played about the same number of games so per game stats will be similar to the above, but Maya will end up having played more minutes per game so per minute stats will lessen the statistical advantages though I suspect will not swing them all the way to the other side. But minutes per game is also a reflection of Stewarts struggles as a freshman, and Maya's shorter and weaker bench and perhaps stronger overall SOS.

Awards - they both have been NPOY three years, but Maya is the first and only four time AA in Uconn history. Stewart is the first 3 time MVP of the FF and may get a fourth, but you have to win the NC for serious consideration so that is almost double counting the same accomplishment - Stewart has been on the all tournament team three years, Maya three years and DT two years. Interestingly Maya made the all tournament team as a senior when she didn't even make it to the finals (and DT was left off in 2002 when her team did win it.) Maya also was an academic all america three years (Stewart has one) and academic all american NPOY 2 years something Stewart hasn't won yet (only Lobo 1 and Jen 1 have won that award before.)

So ... personal stats belong to Maya, but ....
To me championships do matter and while the difference between 2 and 3 and 4 isn't as important, I would tend to rank the big three in descending order of championships which is likely the reverse of the statistical rankings.
 
Certainly one of the top three, along with you-know-who and damned if I know how (or why) you would rank one of them above the others. I am not entirely sure that it shouldn't be the top four, with Moriah only very slightly down the mountain from the others.
 
UcMiami said:
So ... personal stats belong to Maya, but ....
To me championships do matter and while the difference between 2 and 3 and 4 isn't as important, I would tend to rank the big three in descending order of championships which is likely the reverse of the statistical rankings.
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You are very silly :D All the rings mean is that Maya's teammates weren't as good as Diana's who weren't as good as Stewie's. For example, Maya's senior year, the team was super-young. Bria and Stef were freshmen.

If I have first pick in the all-time UConn draft? Maya.

Now, if you want to talk about best duo? Yes, Stewie and Mo. I would take them first over any other set of same-class or adjoining-class teammates (what I mean is teammates that played together for 3 or 4 years) (Maya and Tina would probably be the next pick). They're probably the 3rd and 4th best players in school history and they're in the same class. Remarkable :) It's no wonder that Stewie already has three rings :)
 
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