Stewie had a great weekend.....

[Icebear]

Hey, Icebear what's up this elbow being 3.5 degrees to far west ? Explain please.

West? Where Phil? Might be an auto spell error I didn't catch. Sorry.

In the video you and I posted there is a great shot from directly behind Maya that shows her alignment shooting straight down her arm alignment. It is at 2:35-2:42.

 

[BlueDolphin]

This conversation reminds me of a story I read years ago about Lou Little, the legendary football coach at Columbia (yes Columbia) from 1930 into the 1950's.

Seems he had a punter who could kick the ball 70 yards in the air with great hang time, with either foot, barefooted. One day Little caught an assistant coach trying to teach the kid proper punting technique.

Little fired the assistant on the spot.

 

[Icebear]

Impossible when you post more than anyone else combined.

If you can't take the comments then don't post.

Comments are fine. I wouldn't take the time if I didn't enjoy the exchange of ideas. But your comment was literally comatose.

Just be glad I didn't intro muscle train theory into the discussion. It is my current reading. http://www.anatomytrains.com

 

[doggydaddy]

Comments are fine. I would take the time if I didn't enjoy the exchange of ideas. But your comment was literally comatose.

Just be glad I didn't intro muscle train theory into the discussion. It is my current reading. http://www.anatomytrains.com

It was your posts that made me that way.

 

[Icebear]

It was your posts that made me that way.

Why don't you try and engage and maybe we both can learn instead you resorting "I'm rubber and you're glue," playground answers.

 

[reno tony]

That is the one I posted above.

Sorry, I missed the blue lettering in your post.

 

[Sonny44]

Never seen quite so much rubbish in one thread.
Oh well at least one of our most popular feuds has been rekindled; very entertaining guys.

 

[DavidinNaples]

Never seen quite so much rubbish in one thread.
Oh well at least one of our most popular feuds has been rekindled; very entertaining guys.

My fault for starting this... But I sure got the OP picture right.... I include myself...

Go Huskies..!!

 

[Hongster]

Why don't you try and engage and maybe we both can learn instead you resorting "I'm rubber and your glue," playground answers.

Icebear, I like your counter punches!!! Don't forget the left hook once a while...Ha ha..

 

[Icebear]

I do apologize if this is boring to some of you but this is the type of stuff that get's the coach in me jazzed up and going. There is material in this thread that is helpful to understand when helping to teach anyone to shoot. Small corrections when practiced until implanted in muscle memory can yield big results.

 

[doggydaddy]

Why don't you try and engage and maybe we both can learn instead you resorting "I'm rubber and you're glue," playground answers.

Engage? Sorry, I tried that in the "jump shot" thread and it went on forever. I don't believe you even think it's possible you could be wrong on anything. So why bother.

If you can't take some ribbing, you are in the wrong place. I thought my bow and arrow comment was hysterical.

 

[Sonny44]

I do apologize if this is boring to some of you but this is the type of stuff that get's the coach in me jazzed up and going. There is material in this thread that is helpful to understand when helping to teach anyone to shoot. Small corrections when practiced until implanted in muscle memory can yield big results.

I didn't say boring; I said entertaining.

 

[doggydaddy]

Sorry, I missed the blue lettering in your post.

How dare you.

 

[pap49cba]

OMG

I could be mistaken but I think this player has his hand on top of the ball...

Or maybe this one is better....

 

[Icebear]

Ray shoots more open open than most would teach. So did Reggie Miller. Noone can deny the greatness of either one on the long shot. As I said earlier it is possible to cite a dozen or more great shooters in the NBA who shoot with a variety of forms. They do it by shooting hundreds and thousands of shots. It does not mean their form is the most efficient. It means they are gloriously skilled.

The best bio-mechanical form for the simplest and most repeatable action produces the best results for most. That is what you see in Maya and KML and it is something we all recognize for its artful simplicity. Your eye tells you it is pure.

Ray's hand is not as far on the top of the ball as Stewie's is. His runs from 1:00 to 4:00. Stewie's in several pictures is running from 12:00-3:00.

 

[pap49cba]

Ray shoots more open open than most would teach. So did Reggie Miller. Noone can deny the greatness of either one on the long shot. As I said earlier it is possible to cite a dozen or more great shooters in the NBA who shoot with a variety of forms. They do it by shooting hundreds and thousands of shots. It does not mean their form is the most efficient. It means they are gloriously skilled. The best bio-mechanical formfor the simplest and most repeatable action produces the best results for most. That is what you see in Maya and KML and it is something we all recognize for its artful simplicity. Your eye tells you it is pure.

Ice,

I will let you have the last word which is something you obviously feel is really important. You are not learned... You are verbose. For you, learning is not a two-way street, it is one-way only.... your way.

The BY's Mr. 'Don't Mess With The Mojo', finds it necessary to critique our best player on the eve of the national championship? Nice.

It must be really difficult to go through life thinking you are right about everything.

YOP Pap

 

[Icebear]

I wasn't criticizing Stewie at all. I was discussing the difference between her shot and the classic form and why it may well make a difference. I apologize if that wasn't clear.

The mojo stuff is all in fun.

Blessings.

 

[Hongster]

Icebear, I admire your relentless teaching. But, most people here can't tell a jump shot from a floater.

We'll be back some other time and dissect Saniya's form.

Oh yeah! Don't forget the MOJO.

WINNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[meyers7]

Ice,

I will let you have the last word which is something you obviously feel is really important. You are not learned... You are verbose. For you, learning is not a two-way street, it is one-way only.... your way.

The BY's Mr. 'Don't Mess With The Mojo', finds it necessary to critique our best player on the eve of the national championship? Nice.

It must be really difficult to go through life thinking you are right about everything.

YOP Pap

Well he is right about this. Stewart's form is not a classic form. But then very few are. Her's is more a "goofy" form. I don't think anybody is going to change Stewart's form at this point, and I probably wouldn't try. It might be because of her body type, the classic form may not even work best for her.

Had a kid I graduated with who shot a "dead" ball. Had almost no spin on it at all. But was an All-Stater. (didn't go much further than that though, bounced around a couple colleges before he went into the military.....had a career there I believe) I used to practice his shot, just because it was so unusual. As Ice said, one can increase the accuracy of a shot through repetition even if the form is not classic.

This is very similar to a baseball swing. There are good mechanics and bad mechanics. Some of the player with bad mechanics can still be very good hitters. But those with the "sweet" swing (Williams, Griffey Jr) are the ones who make it look easy.

Chillax a little people, these are just some observations.

 

[doggydaddy]

Icebear, I admire your relentless teaching. But, most people here can't tell a jump shot from a floater.

We'll be back some other time and dissect Saniya's form.

Oh yeah! Don't forget the MOJO.

WINNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Really? You need to insult most people on the board?

 

[Hongster]

Had a kid I graduated with who shot a "dead" ball. Had almost no spin on it at all. But was an All-Stater. (didn't go much further than that though, bounced around a couple colleges before he went into the military.....had a career there I believe) I used to practice his shot, just because it was so unusual. As Ice said, one can increase the accuracy of a shot through repetition even if the form is not classic.

About 35 years ago my wife won the CT high school shoot out champion. I still don't like her shot.

 

[Hongster]

Really? You need to insult most people on the board?

If you take it that way you must feeling guilty.

 

[UcMiami]

I actually enjoyed this thread even with a little heated back and forth. And I think the purest Ice and everyone else recognizes that 'classic' is only applicable as a 'comparison' of form. And that especially when you get into truly unique body types while 'classic' still has meaning, individuals may need to adjust. Shoulder and elbow joints and their musculature are infinitely variable as are the dimensions/musculature of wrist/hand/fingers and all of these are critical in a basketball shot as well as the length/strength of each part of the arm, the breadth of shoulder, the length/strength of torso and legs/feet and how everything is aligned at rest and in motion. Stewart is about as unique in body form as they come with incredibly long arms for an already long body. It may be that because of that length and the resultant leverage issues that a perfectly classic shooting form is not actually perfect for her, or it may not, but none of us will ever know.
It is a form that works for her and that she has repeated ad infinitum through her life. As she continues to work in the weight room and mature into her body, the added muscle and the typical increase in bulk that comes with maturity may lead her to make subtle adjustments to that form. I do not think anyone is advocating she break it all down and start from scratch. Nor that a shooting coach would be wise to make major adjustments.

We have a shining example of the issues involved in a different sport - Tiger Woods - and the debates rage on (and will into eternity) about the last 15 years of his almost constant changes to his swing from minor to complete breakdowns and rebuilds. And there is no answer except ... he had incredible early success before the major tinkering and has had less since which could be because of his body aging and breaking down with injuries, improved competition, or dumb luck (e.g. that almost perfect shot at the masters that hit the pin and went into the water.)

 

[doggydaddy]

If you take it that way you must feeling guilty.

Guilty about what?

If you mean I think you are including me in your demeaning statement where you said most posters here don't know the difference between a jump shot and a floater, yes, I think you probably are.

Of course, you are wrong about me and most posters here.

 

[Hongster]

Of course, you are wrong about me and most posters here.

You think !

If you mean I think you are including me in your demeaning statement where you said most posters here don't know the difference between a jump shot and a floater, yes, I think you probably are.

I would think you know a thing or two about exaggeration. Here you'are took it literately and try to corner and pinch them down. I'm not interested in you but from what I've known you so far.....It appears to me you're arrogant and condescending.

 

[Icebear]

I actually enjoyed this thread even with a little heated back and forth.

There is no heat for or from me at all in any of it except for my one response to DD. With DD it is an inverse proposition, the more I post the less he has to read. As meyers said it was all observation.

 

[Hongster]

There is no heat for me at all in any of it except for my one response to DD. As meyers said it was all observation.

Good for you Icebear. Life is to damn short to take any of these sport talk seriously. I have a bigger problem which I haven't seen my wife and kids in 50 days and counting.

 

[Icebear]

Good for you Icebear. Life is to damn short to take any of these sport talk seriously. I have a bigger problem which I haven't seen my wife and kids in 50 days and counting.

Hang tough, hope you see them soon.

 

[Bestiarius]

Ted St. Martin appears to have terrible form yet is a pretty good foul shooter. I believe his current record is over 5,200 consecutive. Check youtube

.

 

[doggydaddy]

You think !



I would think you know a thing or two about exaggeration. Here you'are took it literately and try to corner and pinch them down. I'm not interested in you but from what I've known you so far.....It appears to me you're arrogant and condescending.

Wow, a what a combo.

You made believe you didn't speak good English because it wasn't your first language, as another poster suggested. So what does that make you.

So, you didn't mean most posters here don't know a jump shot from a floater?

Then what did you mean?