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pap49cba said:
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Sorry, but it doesn't. Look at Maya's chin turned towards her shoulder. Her sight line is a good 10 degrees towards her shooting arm and her elbow is under the ball. See how her hand is on the side of the ball not reaching up on top. Maya's body is open to the line. The differences I am speaking of are all there.
 
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Icebear said:
Here is a link with a picture of Dirk. Note the similarity to Maya's form chin toward shoulder elbow under. Ray Allen's chin is like Maya' and Dirk's with body open chin towards shoulder. So are KML's and Maggie Lucas's. All are mechanical simplicity. Simplicity promotes repeatability.

http://www.coachlikeapro.com/jump-shot-form.html

Great pic of head shoulder alignment from behind.

http://culabaman.wordpress.com/2012...all-shooting-technique-fundamentals-and-form/

Hope those help.
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Wow, so what you are suggesting is that Stewie change her shot technique, the one that got her the best palyer in America from high school, player of the NCAA tourney so she can look in (p[perfect form) all this after 2 so-so games. Do you know how many golfers with not so (perfect swings) have been very successful but when they tried to change their swing they disappeared from sight ?
 
So first a player that jumps and shoots doesn't shoot a jump shot and now an excellent three point shoot has her elbows wrong? And when a picture of another great shooter is shown to have the same elbow position, the chin is in a different position?

I learn so much on this board.
 
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doggydaddy said:
So first a player that jumps and shoots doesn't shoot a jump shot and now an excellent three point shoot has her elbows wrong? And when a picture of another great shooter is shown to have the same elbow position, the chin is in a different position?

I learn so much on this board.
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And that player tied the right shoelace first not the left one.Now we know why !!!!!!!!!!
 
doggydaddy said:
So first a player that jumps and shoots doesn't shoot a jump shot and now an excellent three point shoot has her elbows wrong? And when a picture of another great shooter is shown to have the same elbow position, the chin is in a different position?

I learn so much on this board.
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LOL. Blowhardiness at its best. This board never disappoints.
 
RegisteredUconn said:
Stewie had a pretty decent regional
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That's what I said, it was decent. Wasn't great. Some of us are looking for "great" from Stewart. (not like she can't deliver it)
 
doggydaddy said:
So first a player that jumps and shoots doesn't shoot a jump shot and now an excellent three point shoot has her elbows wrong? And when a picture of another great shooter is shown to have the same elbow position, the chin is in a different position?

I learn so much on this board.
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No you don't. You refuse to. ;)
 
phil sampieri said:
Wow, so what you are suggesting is that Stewie change her shot technique, the one that got her the best palyer in America from high school, player of the NCAA tourney so she can look in (p[perfect form) all this after 2 so-so games. Do you know how many golfers with not so (perfect swings) have been very successful but when they tried to change their swing they disappeared from sight ?
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Where did I suggest she change or correct it? I am simply identifying her irregularities which are visible in comparison to classic form. Sometimes there are reasons players cannot use classic form, such as, cross eye dominance. I played with a kid in high school who shot his jumper from the opposite side of his head because of this problem. I do think classic form promotes the best odds of consistency.

The only way to approach changing her form is if she decides it is important.
 
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Stewart and Hartley are very similar to each other in their shooting problems. Both of them tend to struggle when the trajectory of their jump shots lose arc and flatten out. Last couple games especially I noticed Stewarts shot to be really flat and thus leading to her subpar performances.
 
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phil sampieri said:
And that player tied the right shoelace first not the left one.Now we know why !!!!!!!!!!
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What I am talking about, Phil, is bio-mechanics. These are physical optimizations for shot efficiency and accuracy. That is why there are numerous coaches hired just to work with players on these things and numerous sites teaching local coaches how to teach proper form. I am very used to looking at these same things from coaching archery. Small things add up to maximum performance. My best friend, Larry Wise, with whom I work on archery and who coaches on the national team level has just published his newest book on Coaching Archery. Larry, a former World Champion, has trusted me as one of his checks on his form. His last book was on archery form, Core Archery. When have spent a lot of time talking along with OC about foul shooting form and bio-mechanics. This stuff makes a difference.

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Icebear said:
What I am talking about, Phil, is bio-mechanics. These are physical optimizations for shot efficiency and accuracy. That is why there are numerous coaches hired just to work with players on these things and numerous sites teaching local coaches how to teach proper form. I am very used to looking at these same things from coaching archery. Small things add up to maximum performance. My best friend, Larry Wise, with whom I work on archery and who coaches on the national team level has just published his newest book on Coaching Archery. Larry, a former World Champion, has trusted me as one of his checks on his form. His last book was on archery form, Core Archery. When have spent a lot of time talking along with OC about foul shooting form and bio-mechanics. This stuff makes a difference.
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When Stewart shoot with a bow and arrow we'll call you.
 
doggydaddy said:
When Stewart shoot with a bow and arrow we'll call you.
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Understanding bio-mechanics is a transferable knowledge. The principles of accuracy sports remain the same. Larry who knows nothing about playing the violin has taught in Israel in master classes for the violin because of the transferable knowledge of posture and mechanical efficiency.

Plus as always you ignore that I provided external sources confirming what I am saying about proper form. What I am stating is observable. Call OC and talk to him. There are mechanical reasons that Maya, KML, and Maggie Lucas are 45+% 3 point shooters and Stewie is sub 35% on threes.

Here is a video on Maya's form about 15 seconds in there is a great shot from behind the rim where you can see all the points I have been making about shooting form.
 
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It is remarkable that Stewart shoots as well as he does, considering the length of the levers involved. Her small mechanical inconsistencies get magnified just because of the length of her arms. Great shooting tends to correlate with shorter wingspans. That a player with the wingspan of an NBA center shoots as well he does is remarkable, but it is magnified when she is off. Especially because she doesn't have the consistent mechanics of someone like Maya.
 
Scotter said:
It is remarkable that Stewart shoots as well as he does, considering the length of the levers involved. Her small mechanical inconsistencies get magnified just because of the length of her arms. Great shooting tends to correlate with shorter wingspans. That a player with the wingspan of an NBA center shoots as well he does is remarkable, but it is magnified when she is off. Especially because she doesn't have the consistent mechanics of someone like Maya.
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That is exactly right, Scotter, and is all the more reason attention to form is important.
 
I'm learning so much in this thread.... For example, I never knew that this guy had terrible mechanics:

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pap49cba said:
I'm learning so much in this thread.... For example, I never knew that this guy had terrible mechanics:

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He does and doesn't but it is not classic. What you are looking at includes some of the elements I have mentioned, not all. His shoulders are level and open from the shot line, his elbow is under the apparent line of the ball. There is also a difference between being a great shooter and building a shot on great principles. It is possible to easily identify a dozen great NBA shooters who had bad form. They master the issue of accuracy by hundreds of shots a day. He never was a consistent 3 point shooter ranging during his career from seasons at .212 and .247 to highs of .427 and .424. He was inconsistent.
 
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Icebear said:
He doesn't but it is not classic. What you are looking includes some of the elements I have mentioned, not all.There is also a difference between being a great shooter and building a shot on great principles.
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It is hard to compare Stewie, or anybody for that matter, to Maya as a shooter. I don't think anyone shoots they ball as perfectly as Maya. I remember Geno said one time that he was always amazed when her shot didn't go in .

I think Stewie's problem is her fingers are too long. She should curl them in a bit when she grabs the ball. That would offset her elbows sticking out. :D

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Problem with all these pictures is that they are from different camera angles and not say taken from the basket or at least the basket stanchion. Until I see pictures taken from dead straight on and preferably not from below it is impossible to judge the exact alignment or to compare the different players.
What I do know is that Stewart has an incredibly heigh release point, probably higher than either Maya or Kaleena though I am not exactly sure of that. And that she has a very repeatable motion that has led to her shooting a high percentage throughout her career. While everything may not be perfectly aligned on all her shots, that is true for every player as well, and if her 'prefect form' shot is not exactly aligned I don't think there is any analytical data that suggests say a 5 degree change in angle on an elbow results in a change in accuracy for a specific player. Human bodies are infinitely variable and while you can say statistics prove that for the 'average body' this is the best possible, most repeatable, and simplest form - finding that 'average body' will take you the rest of your lifetime and your heirs lifetimes.
And she has had some bad shooting nights as have every other great shooter I have watched regardless of their form.
I will also admit that as a whole this year while Stewart has been playing at a very high level, she has not been shooting quite as well on the year as I expected, but that is as much a factor of her having missed a number of layups hooks and scoops around the basket that I don't remember her missing last year as her distance shooting, and those shots are completely different from her jump shot so have no bearing on this discussion.
 
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Scotter said:
It is remarkable that Stewart shoots as well as he does, considering the length of the levers involved. Her small mechanical inconsistencies get magnified just because of the length of her arms. Great shooting tends to correlate with shorter wingspans. That a player with the wingspan of an NBA center shoots as well he does is remarkable, but it is magnified when she is off. Especially because she doesn't have the consistent mechanics of someone like Maya.
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I hope you don't mind me attaching my own amendment to you position, but I believe that you should include her huge hands in your statement above. All that you said plus her hand size as compared to the ball make it more difficult to have a consistent release from below and have good spin.

I think it's remarkable/amazing she has the outside game she does with her frame.
 
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Miami, I agree with everything in your posts. Camera angles are huge as is stop frame photos rather than video. I have been watching Stewie's shot on the game video like all of us. That is where I noticed the form issues initially.

Biff, Her hands are, also, very large but so are Maya's.
 
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