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It is my understanding that this would be Reuf's 5th year. During one of her first four years she got injured and they redshirted her. So now she is finishing a graduate degree and wants to use her 4th year of eligibility. I don't see a problem with Stanford paying for four years and making her pay her own way for a fifth.
 
Jim said:
It is my understanding that this would be Reuf's 5th year. During one of her first four years she got injured and they redshirted her. So now she is finishing a graduate degree and wants to use her 4th year of eligibility. I don't see a problem with Stanford paying for four years and making her pay her own way for a fifth.
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Apparently Stanford doesn't either.
 
Icebear said:
I would say that the issue is less about Ruef and more about the numbers 19 and 15.
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Right, it's the overrecruiting. Who's the coach there? Nikki Sabin?
 
So if this was Texas or Texas Tech that was doing this, you would be okay with it. I suspect you would defend Kim if she did this as well. :) BTW, if this was Geno, I'd be upset that he was doing it.

easttexastrash said:
I love manufactured outrage. This is an agreement between Stanford and one of their players and nobody knows all the details other than those directly involved.
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There's always the option of getting a job with an engineering degree from Stanford and paying for her masters degree courses on her own dime. It's not as if she hasn't been equipped with the tools to make a nice living.
 
I'm glad to see that Mikaela has a positive attitude. What is Stanford going to do with nineteen players, start a football team.
 
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Wbbfan1 said:
So if this was Texas or Texas Tech that was doing this, you would be okay with it. I suspect you would defend Kim if she did this as well. :) BTW, if this was Geno, I'd be upset that he was doing it.
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I would be ok with this no matter which university it was.
 
easttexastrash said:
There's always the option of getting a job with an engineering degree from Stanford and paying for her masters degree courses on her own dime. It's not as if she hasn't been equipped with the tools to make a nice living.
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You are excellent at missing the point. Reread this thread.
 
So its okay for coaches to make promises to recruits, we want give you a scholarship for as long as you're eligible as long as you keep in good academic standings and follow all rules and then not honor that commitment. BTW, I'm not naive and realize that coaches do encourage players to leave because they won't get playing time or other reasons, but usually its not because the school doesn't have enough scholarships for the player. There will be three other Stanford players that will lose their scholarships.

easttexastrash said:
I would be ok with this no matter which university it was.
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Wbbfan1 said:
BTW, if this was Geno, I'd be upset that he was doing it.
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I'm pretty sure that would never be an issue. I've heard him say that 15 is too many.
 
stamfordhusky said:
The only D1 sports where they can't be split are football (1-A only), basketball, women's volleyball, women's tennis, and women's gymnastics.
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That's why I thought they could be split I didn't there were specific sports where they could not be split.
 
The surprising thing to me is that this kid is a starter, not some end-of-the-bench warmer. And the school had to have asked her to redshirt as it is the school that must apply for it with the applicable conference authorities. So now, heading into her fifth year to be told, 'Sorry, our 15 scholarships are spoken for next season' is beyond the pale.
 
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It's a mystery to me why VanDerveer has to have a roster of 19 to find 7 or 8 who can play. I thought she was a better judge of talent than that.
 
pap49cba said:
The surprising thing to me is that this kid is a starter, not some end-of-the-bench warmer. And the school had to have asked her to redshirt as it is the school that must apply for it with the applicable conference authorities.
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Schools routinely submit the paperwork to get a player a medical hardship waiver - often long before the player knows if she wants to play a 5th year and long before the school knows if they want to give the player a scholarship.
 
Wbbfan1 said:
So its okay for coaches to make promises to recruits, we want give you a scholarship for as long as you're eligible as long as you keep in good academic standings and follow all rules and then not honor that commitment. BTW, I'm not naive and realize that coaches do encourage players to leave because they won't get playing time or other reasons, but usually its not because the school doesn't have enough scholarships for the player. There will be three other Stanford players that will lose their scholarships.
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Where does it state in an LOI that it is agreed upon that a player will be provided a scholarship as long as they have eligibility left? I'd like to know where that is written since you are presenting that as a fact.
 
easttexastrash said:
Where does it state in an LOI that it is agreed upon that a player will be provided a scholarship as long as the have eligibility left? I'd like to know where that is written.
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Nowhere at Stanford, we now know. As I said before, check UCONN for 5 year support, a Heather in Their Cap.
 
triaddukefan said:
We need cardfan to explain all of this for us peons :rolleyes:
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Omg, where do I begin? There is so much misinformation and over reaction in this thread.....

1) Y'all know student athletes have 5 years to play 4, and each year the scholarship is renewed, right? NCAA does not guarantee 4 years, let alone 5. This is basic 101 stuff.

2) Stanford athletes and some coaches are endowed, which is separate endowment money from the school (that they cannot touch). Their athletic dept. has had to make major cuts over the last few years. Stanford coaches, including Tara earn A LOT less than other top coaches, so where would the $$ for Ruef come from??? One story here. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/columns/story?columnist=schlabach_mark&id=4314195.

3) So what if Tara has 19 players? Stanford has seen their fair of injuries over the years, so why not have more? Four players choose to walk on to play for her and get a degree at Stanford. Having walk-ons is very common, but only 15 travel. Tara also believes in developing her players and only uses 2 male practice players, so we use the players.

4) Ruef got her undergraduate engineering degree at the 2nd ranked engineering school in the country for free, a bill that would be about $190k.Ruef is a brilliant student, she had a perfect score on her SAT.

5) Ruef JUST got accepted to Stanford Master's engineering program, so the comments about Tara over recruiting is another example of lack of understanding how scholarships and recruiting, especially recruiting at Stanford work. They must get admitted (with all others students who apply) before they can be offered a scholie. So, it is a timely process.

6) Ruef WANTS to come back and play, while getting a master's degree which are all positives. Paying $28k is a deal for a masters at Stanford. She KNEW all of this. None of it is a shock.
 
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Ozzie Nelson said:
Nowhere at Stanford, we now know. As I said before, check UCONN for 5 year support, a Heather in Their Cap.
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That wasn't my question. UCONN may do that but this is not a known agreement with any university.
 
cardfan said:
Omg, where do I begin? There is so much misinformation and over reaction in this thread.....

1) Y'all know student athletes have 5 years to play 4, and each year the scholarship is renewed, right? NCAA does not guarantee 4 years, let alone 5. This is basic 101 stuff.

2) Stanford athletes and some coaches are endowed, which is separate endowment money from the school (that they cannot touch). Their athletic dept. has had to make major cuts over the last few years. Stanford coaches, including Tara earn A LOT less than other top coaches, so where would the for Ruef come from??? One story here. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/columns/story?columnist=schlabach_mark&id=4314195.

3) So what if Tara has 19 players? Stanford has seen their fair of injuries over the years, so why not have more? Four players choose to walk on to play for her and get a degree at Stanford. Having walk-ons is very common, but only 15 travel. Tara also believes in developing her players and only uses 2 male practice players, so we use the players.

4) Ruef got her undergraduate engineering degree at the 2nd ranked engineering school in the country for free, a bill that would be about $190k.Ruef is a brilliant student, she had a perfect score on her SAT.

5) Ruef JUST got accepted to Stanford Master's engineering program, so the comments about Tara over recruiting is another example of lack of understanding how scholarships and recruiting, especially recruiting at Stanford work. They must get admitted (with all others students who apply) before they can be offered a scholie. So, it is a timely process.

6) Ruef WANTS to come back and play, while getting a master's degree which are all positives. Paying $28k is a deal for a masters at Stanford. She KNEW all of this. None of it is a shock.
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Way too much fact and logic. I would rather we stick to emotions and holier-than-thou statements.
 
There is a legitimate chance that this situation at Stanford could be a friendly arrangement between the player and the coaching staff.

There have been other instances in the past at other schools where a senior has voluntarily offered to pay their own way for a year so that an additional freshman will have an opportunity to get in school.

Is there any evidence whatsoever that this was not a friendly agreement on the part of Ruef?

TC
 
Here's the thing. If Mikaela Ruef didn't want to play a fifth year, she would finish her time with a Stanford undergraduate degree. It's not like Stanford is making her pay to finish out her undergraduate degree - she'll already have it at the end of this year.

It's a different situation with UNC because the players, from what I can recall, are no where near obtaining an undergraduate degree from UNC. So if Mikaela was a year short of finishing her degree at Stanford AND Vanderveer still decided to kick her out to make room for other players, then yes, I would agree it is not the right thing to do.

But as a fifth-year student already with her undergraduate degree, her only options to remain with the team is to go the masters route. The scholarship agreement is mainly for the undergraduate degree, not a masters as well. I also think at the time that Vanderveer was recruiting next year's incoming class, it wasn't clear as to whether Mikaela had gotten into any of the masters programs at Stanford. In order for a fifth-year Stanford player to return who already has an undergraduate degree, he or she must apply and be accepted into the graduate programs. If she didn't get into the graduate program, it would be a moot point. I believe she recently found out that she was accepted. Unfortunately, the allotted scholarships were already used up months ago. What was Vanderveer going to do - hedge her bets that Ruef was to be accepted? There are plenty of fifth-year students who don't come back because they aren't accepted into Stanford masters programs.

Again, the situations are very different from UNC. At the end of this year, Ruef will have had her undergraduate degree from Stanford. The others at UNC who were told there was no more room do not. Big different.
 
pap49cba said:
The surprising thing to me is that this kid is a starter, not some end-of-the-bench warmer. And the school had to have asked her to redshirt as it is the school that must apply for it with the applicable conference authorities. So now, heading into her fifth year to be told, 'Sorry, our 15 scholarships are spoken for next season' is beyond the pale.
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She was not asked to redshirt. She was injured I believe her sophomore year and had to redshirt. She had no choice in the matter because of her injuries.
 
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True Colors said:
There is a legitimate chance that this situation at Stanford could be a friendly arrangement between the player and the coaching staff.

There have been other instances in the past at other schools where a senior has voluntarily offered to pay their own way for a year so that an additional freshman will have an opportunity to get in school.

Is there any evidence whatsoever that this was not a friendly agreement on the part of Ruef?

TC
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Some people would rather assume the worst and vilify someone without knowing the details. Some of them have event posted those sentiments in this thread.
 
I really don't have a problem with a player being told that there is no scholarship for her after the first 4 years. While the LOI is specifically a 1 year deal, the expectation is that as long as the player fulfills their side, it will be renewed through their undergraduate degree. But ... after 4 yrs. I think all bets are off. I would have no problem if Geno had 15 scholarship players this year if he had gone to either CD or Heather and said, sorry, I don't have a scholarship available for you - you are welcome to enroll in grad school here and be a walk-on. Athletic scholarships to me really mean 'undergraduate scholarships' - it is nice to be able to give a player a free year of grad school, but not 'required' by the commitment made to that 18 yr. old and her family.
That being said - I do have a problem with 19 scholarship commitments for 15 spots. The other unnamed three players are being treated really poorly!
 
easttexastrash said:
This thread is about Ruef not being provided a scholly during her graduate studies. Maybe you should re-read the thread.
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It is not about Ruef. It is about her and the totality of 19 for 15. Both things.
 
A few examples to support my last post.....

washington state - Taylor Rochestie
oklahoma state - Nick sidorakis
arizona state - dustin pedroia
washington - jake locker

Those guys were all on scholarship and they all gave up the scholarships to pay their own way.
And there are others out there who did the same thing.

Just because a scholarship athlete goes off scholarship for a year does not necessarily mean that they were bullied into doing so.

TC
 
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