Stanford needs to win tmow

[Vowelguy]

After today's unimpressive win over an Ariz St team that won't even make the tourney, I believe the Cardinal must win tmow to ensure a #1 seed.

Stanford has played just 4 - yes 4 - games on the road against the RPI top 50. The loss to UConn, a win against Cal (good), but then wins [neither dominant] over two bubble teams: USC & Texas.

Another loss tmow and I'd put Maryland as the #1 out west.

 

[UConnCat]

USC's loss to WSU (13-19, 5-13) may keep them out of the NCAAs.

 

[triaddukefan]

After today's unimpressive win over an Ariz St team that won't even make the tourney, I believe the Cardinal must win tmow to ensure a #1 seed.

Stanford has played just 4 - yes 4 - games on the road against the RPI top 50. The loss to UConn, a win against Cal (good), but then wins [neither dominant] over two bubble teams: USC & Texas.

Another loss tmow and I'd put Maryland as the #1 out west.

I thought if Duke had one the ACC tourney that they could end up with a #1 Seed if Stanford faltered. Not sure if Maryland can or not. Would the committee pick the team that finished in third place in the ACC over Stanford? They did in 2009, but Duke had beaten Stanford in a early season matchup that year.

 

[speedoo]

Stanford will be out west no matter what. If they are the 2 seed instead of the 1, it might actually help them to get a chip on their shoulder and play with some attitude because their schedule has not really challenged them.

Looks like Cal will be their opponent tomorrow, despite a million turnovers vs. WSU. Cal has some good athletes up front, not particularly impressive on the perimeter.

 

[cardfan]

After today's unimpressive win over an Ariz St team that won't even make the tourney, I believe the Cardinal must win tmow to ensure a #1 seed.

Stanford has played just 4 - yes 4 - games on the road against the RPI top 50. The loss to UConn, a win against Cal (good), but then wins [neither dominant] over two bubble teams: USC & Texas.

Another loss tmow and I'd put Maryland as the #1 out west.

A win is a win. Not a loss. I wouldn't judge Stanford's play vs. ASU maul ball, it would the same as judging UConn vs. Rutgers last week. ugly ball.

send MD out west as a #1. Worked great for us before.

 

[Vowelguy]

I thought if Duke had one the ACC tourney that they could end up with a #1 Seed if Stanford faltered. Not sure if Maryland can or not. Would the committee pick the team that finished in third place in the ACC over Stanford? They did in 2009, but Duke had beaten Stanford in a early season matchup that year.

Moving Stan to #2 also helps with a seeding problem. Because of the geography preferences, the West stands a good chance to end up with the #4, #8, and #12 teams. But the committee likes to keep the sum of the top 4 seeds within 5 points across the regions. That becomes challenging if the West's sum is 37, and impossible if its 38. Putting the #4 and #5 out west, however, makes it very likely.

 

[MilfordHusky]

Stanford will get a 1, win or lose. But they will win. As noted, they will be in the West regardless. The question will be how do they do in rounds 3 and 4 against better teams than they have faced all year, other than Tennessee and UConn. I look for Nneka to will them to the Final Four. They may have some ugly wins, but they will win.

 

[Blueballer]

Stanford will get a 1, win or lose. But they will win. As noted, they will be in the West regardless. The question will be how do they do in rounds 3 and 4 against better teams than they have faced all year, other than Tennessee and UConn. I look for Nneka to will them to the Final Four. They may have some ugly wins, but they will win.

I agree.

 

[ASweet3781]

I think the committee can solve a lot of the geography problems by doing the right thing. And that is giving Delaware the last 2 seed if they win tomorrow. Delaware in Kingston. Maryland or Duke in Raleigh and Fresno. Tennessee in Des Moines. Kentucky should not be rewarded for their end of the season finish. I am less impressed with Kentucky's finish instead of Delaware's conference.

 

[easttexastrash]

I think the committee can solve a lot of the geography problems by doing the right thing. And that is giving Delaware the last 2 seed if they win tomorrow. Delaware in Kingston. Maryland or Duke in Raleigh and Fresno. Tennessee in Des Moines. Kentucky should not be rewarded for their end of the season finish. I am less impressed with Kentucky's finish instead of Delaware's conference.

Tennessee won the SEC tourney, thus I don't think they will be viewed as the lowest number 2. The number 2 seeds should be Duke, Maryland, Tennessee and Delaware, in that order. If the committee wants to pit the teams based on overall seeding, Duke would be Stanford's region, Tennessee would be in ND's, Maryland in UCONN's and Delaware in Baylor's.

Delaware, in my opinion, would be the lowest number 2 seed, thus should be sent to Baylor's region since Baylor is the clear overall number 1 seed. And with all of this POY talk, I would love to see BG and EDD go head to head. That would be fun to watch.

 

[ASweet3781]

Tennessee won the SEC tourney, thus I don't think they will be viewed as the lowest number 2. The number 2 seeds should be Duke, Maryland, Tennessee and Delaware, in that order. If the committee wants to pit the teams based on overall seeding, Duke would be Stanford's region, Tennessee would be in ND's, Maryland in UCONN's and Delaware in Baylor's.

Delaware, in my opinion, would be the lowest number 2 seed, thus should be sent to Baylor's region since Baylor is the clear overall number 1 seed. And with all of this POY talk, I would love to see BG and EDD go head to head. That would be fun to watch.

That is not how the 2 seeds get seeded. It's based on geography.

 

[VAUConnFan]

After today's unimpressive win over an Ariz St team that won't even make the tourney, I believe the Cardinal must win tmow to ensure a #1 seed.

Stanford has played just 4 - yes 4 - games on the road against the RPI top 50. The loss to UConn, a win against Cal (good), but then wins [neither dominant] over two bubble teams: USC & Texas.

Another loss tmow and I'd put Maryland as the #1 out west.

They do not award style points. A win is a win.

 

[Vowelguy]

They do not award style points. A win is a win.

I disagree.
(1) Everyone talks about 'seeing the teams play'. And that the committee uses the "eyeball" test to evaluate teams.
(2) Stanford has so few quality opponents that it is not obvious where they stand. A mediocre performance against a mediocre team does not help a thin resume.

 

[easttexastrash]

That is not how the 2 seeds get seeded. It's based on geography.

Yes, I am aware of that. I am pointing out which teams should be playing each other if it were based on performance and team strength.

 

[ASweet3781]

I disagree.
(1) Everyone talks about 'seeing the teams play'. And that the committee uses the "eyeball" test to evaluate teams.
(2) Stanford has so few quality opponents that it is not obvious where they stand. A mediocre performance against a mediocre team does not help a thin resume.

It's not like Stanford is some new kid on the block. They have made the last 4 Final 4's. They have a 1st team All American. Their 1 loss is at UConn in November. Unless the eyeballs have glaucoma I think they pass it fairly easy to get a 1 seed.

Maryland should also have to pass the eyeball test. My eyeballs tells me they did not play either Baylor, Notre Dame, UConn, or Stanford. They tell me the best teams they played were Delaware at home which they won, Miami 2 times which they lost both, and Duke which they split with, the win being a 2 pt win at home. I think the fashion Stanford thrashed Tennessee was more impressive than those Duke and Delaware wins.

 

[alexrgct]

Maryland also lost to Virginia Tech, which is a terrible loss on their resume.

 

[cardfan]

I disagree.
(1) Everyone talks about 'seeing the teams play'. And that the committee uses the "eyeball" test to evaluate teams.
(2) Stanford has so few quality opponents that it is not obvious where they stand. A mediocre performance against a mediocre team does not help a thin resume.

Then the same holds true for your win vs. Rutgers last week, a not so pleasing game by UConn standards. I just don't think the committee looks at wins that way, at all.

 

[alexrgct]

Then the same holds true for your win vs. Rutgers last week, a not so pleasing game by UConn standards. I just don't think the committee looks at wins that way, at all.

I think Stanford will be a #1 seed even with a loss, but Rutgers is ranked in the top 15 in every major quantitative ranking (RPI, Massey, Sagarin). So a 15 point win over such a team, though underwhelming and not aesthetically pleasing, is not really analogous to playing ASU.

 

[cardfan]

I think Stanford will be a #1 seed even with a loss, but Rutgers is ranked in the top 15 in every major quantitative ranking (RPI, Massey, Sagarin). So a 15 point win over such a team, though underwhelming and not aesthetically pleasing, is not really analogous to playing ASU.

If ASU and Rutgers played each other, the final score would be 24-22, with 20 TOs and 20 fouls each. The analogous is spot on because they each cause their opponents to play ugly. My pt was Stanford and UConn both won, albeit ugly. Winning counts way more than style pts. What we do tomorrow matters more than today.

 

[alexrgct]

Rutgers's RPI is 13, 15 in Massey, and 14 in Sagarin.

ASU is 66 in RPI, 48 in Massey, and 50 in Sagarin.

I appreciate that ASU can make games ugly as can Rutgers, but no one's going to look askance at a 15 point win over a top 15 team. Someone might with a nine-pointer over ASU. In either case, like I said, I do think Stanford is a one seed, period.

 

[cardfan]

Rutgers's RPI is 13, 15 in Massey, and 14 in Sagarin.

ASU is 66 in RPI, 48 in Massey, and 50 in Sagarin.

I appreciate that ASU can make games ugly as can Rutgers, but no one's going to look askance at a 15 point win over a top 15 team. Someone might with a nine-pointer over ASU. In either case, like I said, I do think Stanford is a one seed, period.

No one is going to look askance at either win.

 

[ochoopsfan]

Rutgers played ASU in Puerto Rico in November.
http://www.thesundevils.com/sports/w-baskbl/stats/2011-2012/12asu05.html

Rutgers won 59-52

 

[triaddukefan]

Stanford has played just 4 - yes 4 - games on the road against the RPI top 50. The loss to UConn, a win against Cal (good), but then wins [neither dominant] over two bubble teams: USC & Texas.
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I find that shocking.... only 2 road games against top 50 RPI Pac-12 conference teams?.... especially since the Stanford coach said that the Pac-12 top teams Stanford, UCLA, USC, and Cal could stack up with the top teams from the ACC.

Lets see.... Stanford, Cal, USC, and UCLA... vs Duke, Miami, Maryland, and Ga Tech. Dont care how you match them up.... I'd say the ACC would be at worst 3-1 outta the matchups. The bottom of the Pac 12 vs the bottom of the ACC.... well that another story altogether

 

[Vowelguy]

Then the same holds true for your win vs. Rutgers last week, a not so pleasing game by UConn standards. I just don't think the committee looks at wins that way, at all.

No you're missing the point. UConn has 15-20 other games against quality conpetition that comprise their resume.
Stanford does not. Each game carries more weight.

And ASU won't even make the tournament.

 

[easttexastrash]

A good game against Rutgers is not even remotely comparable to Stanford's game against ASU. Rutgers has some VERY good payers, Rushdan, Oliver and Sykes we all very highly recruited.

I am not a fan of CVS, and I'm not talking about the pharmacy. CVS has a way of turning a racing horse into a plow horse on offense. I don't know why any player that wants to develop her offensive game would go to Rutgers. Rutgers was one of the most talented teams in basketball when Cappie was a senior but Cappie was never really allowed to flourish in that offensive system.