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Message: [QUOTE="Bigboote, post: 3975481, member: 7631"] The question I ask, is, If you needed someone to start a win-or-die game, whom would you choose? I've been following baseball for much of the last 50 years, so I can only make an educated choice from that time. Among those I'd choose before Ryan, assuming somewhere near the peaks of their careers (I acknowledge that Ryan's peak was longer than most), just off the top of my head and very incomplete: Greg Maddux Bob Gibson Pedro Martinez Roger Clemens Juan Marichal Speaking of longevity: Maddux had 15 wins 17 years in a row, including a strike-shortened season. For much of that time he was just one of the best pitchers in baseball, for probably five years, he was absolutely the best. [/QUOTE]