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SCGamecock said:
I really don't think we're worse offensively. Just from watching this team I wouldn't say that. We lost Welch, Ibiam and Gaines... none of those players lit it up offensively. We played a MUCH better OOC schedule this year and the SEC in general is getting better. It's no longer enough for us to show up and out class teams anymore.. All of those things equal the much tighter scores you see across the conference. Conference is approaching parity of some sort.
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I think you're settling. USC should be the class of the current SEC, given the talent presently in-house. And by class, I mean there shouldn't be any daylight between USC and anyone else.
 
The Panthers (wrong state...but Carolina)
had more points in the 1st quarter than the Gamecocks.
 
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Replicant said:
I think you're settling. USC should be the class of the current SEC, given the talent presently in-house. And by class, I mean there shouldn't be any daylight between USC and anyone else.
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Ya know it is easy to think that way or expect that as a UConn fan especially since the two teams are being compared more and more being ranked next to each other. I felt that way all last year. I could not understand how any teams other than UConn and ND came within 10 points of them. However, as I have made it a point to watch more of their games this year I have come to realize that that is not their culture. They almost seem uncomfortable winning big. They are best when urged on in close games by Mitchell or Sessions. If you are waiting for them to look like UConn, ND, or even Maryland.... that is not gonna happen. They will continue to have slow starts and finish strong in the 4th. That is just the way it is with this crew, now when those seniors leave Dawn may be able to change that culture but for now it is what it is. Basically, there is nothing you can truly point to and say because of x and y UConn and SCar are similar.... it's like pickles and French toast.... just not the same.
 
Nuyoika said:
Ya know it is easy to think that way or expect that as a UConn fan especially since the two teams are being compared more and more being ranked next to each other. I felt that way all last year. I could not understand how any teams other than UConn and ND came within 10 points of them. However, as I have made it a point to watch more of their games this year I have come to realize that that is not their culture. They almost seem uncomfortable winning big. They are best when urged on in close games by Mitchell or Sessions. If you are waiting for them to look like UConn, ND, or even Maryland.... that is not gonna happen. They will continue to have slow starts and finish strong in the 4th. That is just the way it is with this crew, now when those seniors leave Dawn may be able to change that culture but for now it is what it is. Basically, there is nothing you can truly point to and say because of x and y UConn and SCar are similar.... it's like pickles and French toast.... just not the same.
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I think you're right. They haven't developed the culture of winning/dominating no matter how determined the pollsters are to anoint them with elite status. The talent seems to be in place, but I'm not sold on Dawn's coaching greatness. She's definitely an above average coach and a highly effective recruiter, but the platitudes that the media have heaped upon her as the 'next big thing' in coaching feels a lot like the Nobel Committee awarding Obama their prize in his first year in office on the promise of what might be.
 
JellyBean said:
Wow. Rough game to watch. Not sure if watching too many UConn, ND, Oregon State, or Stanford has me spoiled with watching good team basketball.
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Would that be the Stanford team that just scored 14 total points in the first HALF at UCLA?! Wow, did they lay an egg!
13 turnovers vs. 4 assists and 5 made baskets - 5-22 for 22.7% and 1-8 from three for 12.5% - thank goodness they made 3-4 free throws.

(Sort of reminds me of a certain NC game where the shoe was on the other foot.)
 
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Replicant said:
Wilson had 11 points against Auburn, not really 'killing' it. And from the box score it looks like A&M decided to let her get hers (26 pts, 44% of the team's offensive output) and shut down everyone else in that 59-58 squeaker decided by the bonehead foul on the Aggie player with less than 2 seconds left.
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People "let A'ja get hers" a lot these days. You should watch the game replays. Commentators made a point that A'ja was using her right hand. Considering that's not her dominant hand.. I would say she was having a good day.
 
Replicant said:
I think you're settling. USC should be the class of the current SEC, given the talent presently in-house. And by class, I mean there shouldn't be any daylight between USC and anyone else.
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We are the class of the SEC. The rest of the conference is looking up to us in talent, attendance, and in the actual rankings.. and some of those teams looking up, like MSU, are pretty decent teams. No matter margin of victory, we're currently undefeated in conference play and will likely go on to win our 3rd straight regular season title and 2nd straight conference tournament title.

But I'm getting ahead of myself. We still have games versus Kentucky, A&M and Tennessee..
 
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Replicant and Nuyoika - I think you are wrong because they have no trouble blowing out a bunch of weak sisters, and can do the same against ranked teams. I think it is something that really is unique to Uconn - they do not take plays off, they don't take minutes off, and they certainly don't take games off at home or on the road. You look at MD, Baylor, and ND and they too play some very close games against teams that they should be handling with ease. It is a culture I guess, but it is so unique it has never been seen before - 90, 70, 55, 47 says it all - 5 undefeated season says it all. No one has every created the culture that makes those things possible except Uconn and John Wooden at UCLA.

All of those teams are in tight games for a number of reasons: because they are inconsistent, or because they don't know how to travel, or they get lazy, or they rely too heavily on one thing or one player, or they do not take defense seriously enough, or ... Or they are not well enough coached and schooled to adjust, to recognizing changing patterns on offense or defense, to change their own patterns on the fly. Not each team has the same issues, but some combination of them, and it really does come down to coaching and teaching and demanding and remaining vigilant. All those teams win most of those close games because they are just better than the teams challenging them, but they are in those close games because they are not Uconn and they do not have Geno and rest of the staff.

Some of it is basic philosophy and I think there are only a few top team's that have coaches that have the same types of systems - ND being the closest.ND like Uconn has had stars, but those stars are multi-faceted players as likely to get an assist as a shot in every offensive set - they are able to adjust on the fly and any of the players on the floor for major minutes can lead the team in scoring on any night. That makes it a familiar situation for everyone when one of the players has an off night, the offense adjusts and instead of shooting they become the facilitator for someone else. That helps with the consistency issue regardless of what else is being coached or is sliding. The best example for ND occurred this year when mid season they lost their two primary post players and continued to play really sound basketball, because they could change roles and styles on the fly. For Uconn probably two years ago with Stoke, Tuck, and KML missing games mid-season and the team just kept rolling.

Geno has implied a number of times that ever season contains some issues with the team 'feeling they got this' or that they can 'turn it on when needed' and it is a battle for the coaches to get them to see 'that they don't got this' and they will find themselves in a game where they can't 'just turn it on' at the end and everything turns out well. (Stanford served that purpose last year!) And winning close games against inferior talent is a warning sign that the team is in that mind set. playing poorly or sloppily in blow-outs is the same. People sort of chuckled about Tuck and Stewart being benched last year, but that was another coaching move to say, whatever that first 5 minutes was, it isn't Uconn basketball and 'you don't got this' and and you don't get another chance tonight to 'turn it back on'!
 
Sluconn Husky said:
SC's defense and size could ugly the game up for UConn too.
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SC had the same size and defense last year and was blown off the court. The Gamecocks are not UConn's biggest threat despite being ranked #2 that label belongs to Notre Dame. Anyone that knows the sport and can comprehend what they are watching knows that in order to beat UConn you have to be able to SCORE! because you're not holding them to 60 pts. I've seen enough of SC this year to know they will have to play a notch above what they have played all year to keep that Feb 8th game within 15pts.
 
SCGamecock said:
We are the class of the SEC. The rest of the conference is looking up to us in talent, attendance, and in the actual rankings.. and some of those teams looking up, like MSU, are pretty decent teams. No matter margin of victory, we're currently undefeated in conference play and will likely go on to win our 3rd straight regular season title and 2nd straight conference tournament title.

But I'm getting ahead of myself. We still have games versus Kentucky, A&M and Tennessee..
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The SEC has been overrated for a few years now...
 
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Wbbfan1 said:
IF Miss State had another scorer So Carolina loses this game. Miss St plays good defense but they are offensively challenged against better teams. So Carolina has the better talent and should have been able to win this game by double digits. IMHO they'll lose a game (maybe not the UConn game) due to missed free throws or unable to score 70 points against Elite teams. I'm thinking the UConn game is a tossup due to being played on Gamecock home court. Freshmen may not be ready for the hostile crowd.
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What has SC done to be a tossup against a team that has won the last 3 NC? I think UConn has played in a few hostile enviroments. Since the game is on SC home floor I give them a chance to be competitive..
 
tony yusef said:
SC had the same size and defense last year and was blown off the court. The Gamecocks are not UConn's biggest threat despite being ranked #2 that label belongs to Notre Dame. Anyone that knows the sport and can comprehend what they are watching knows that in order to beat UConn you have to be able to SCORE! because you're not holding them to 60 pts. I've seen enough of SC this year to know they will have to play a notch above what they have played all year to keep that Feb 8th game within 15pts.
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Notre Dame held UConn to 63 in last year's title game and kept it competitive throughout. UConn could smack SC around this time too but I don't think it's a fait accompli.
 
Gus Mahler said:
SEC WBB reminds me of the classic take on SEC football: Very physical, strong defense, grind-it-out ground game. I like UConn's artistry better.
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Hmm. Consider these odds: Bet the under for any SEC game and take the over when UConn plays. ;)
 
UcMiami said:
Replicant and Nuyoika - I think you are wrong because they have no trouble blowing out a bunch of weak sisters, and can do the same against ranked teams. I think it is something that really is unique to Uconn - they do not take plays off, they don't take minutes off, and they certainly don't take games off at home or on the road. You look at MD, Baylor, and ND and they too play some very close games against teams that they should be handling with ease. It is a culture I guess, but it is so unique it has never been seen before - 90, 70, 55, 47 says it all - 5 undefeated season says it all. No one has every created the culture that makes those things possible except Uconn and John Wooden at UCLA.

All of those teams are in tight games for a number of reasons: because they are inconsistent, or because they don't know how to travel, or they get lazy, or they rely too heavily on one thing or one player, or they do not take defense seriously enough, or ... Or they are not well enough coached and schooled to adjust, to recognizing changing patterns on offense or defense, to change their own patterns on the fly. Not each team has the same issues, but some combination of them, and it really does come down to coaching and teaching and demanding and remaining vigilant. All those teams win most of those close games because they are just better than the teams challenging them, but they are in those close games because they are not Uconn and they do not have Geno and rest of the staff.

Some of it is basic philosophy and I think there are only a few top team's that have coaches that have the same types of systems - ND being the closest.ND like Uconn has had stars, but those stars are multi-faceted players as likely to get an assist as a shot in every offensive set - they are able to adjust on the fly and any of the players on the floor for major minutes can lead the team in scoring on any night. That makes it a familiar situation for everyone when one of the players has an off night, the offense adjusts and instead of shooting they become the facilitator for someone else. That helps with the consistency issue regardless of what else is being coached or is sliding. The best example for ND occurred this year when mid season they lost their two primary post players and continued to play really sound basketball, because they could change roles and styles on the fly. For Uconn probably two years ago with Stoke, Tuck, and KML missing games mid-season and the team just kept rolling.

Geno has implied a number of times that ever season contains some issues with the team 'feeling they got this' or that they can 'turn it on when needed' and it is a battle for the coaches to get them to see 'that they don't got this' and they will find themselves in a game where they can't 'just turn it on' at the end and everything turns out well. (Stanford served that purpose last year!) And winning close games against inferior talent is a warning sign that the team is in that mind set. playing poorly or sloppily in blow-outs is the same. People sort of chuckled about Tuck and Stewart being benched last year, but that was another coaching move to say, whatever that first 5 minutes was, it isn't Uconn basketball and 'you don't got this' and and you don't get another chance tonight to 'turn it back on'!
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Don't get me wrong they definitely SHOULD be blowing everyone in the SEC out by 15+ but that is just not them. UConn style domination takes supreme discipline and SCar doesn't have that at this point. They sometimes play down to their opponent and foul a bit more than a Top 5 team should vs ranked opponents and they don't shoot free throws very well. All that being said doesn't diminish their accomplishments I am just saying comparing the two teams is pointless. In terms of being relevant in WCBB SCar is in it's infancy and we have seen plenty of teams over the years rise into the ranks of the "Elite" and fall just as quickly when their best recruiting class ever graduates or they realize you need more than just talent to stay on top. That doesn't mean the same will happen for SCar but don't expect them to perform like a well oiled machine.... the machine is still a prototype in Columbia.
 
What I like about USC is that they find a way to win, in our early years we also had many close, ugly games but we found a way to win. If nothing else, USC is building that culture and mindset which will help moving forward. For us old timers what USC is doing is very familiar to our early years.
 
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South Carolina will have to hit the outside shots against the Huskies to even be in the game.IMO Dawn needs to shorten her bench to 7 or 8 players to try to make the offense more fluid.Depth is overrated as Geno has showed everybody the last 3 years.18 to 22 year olds basketball players should be able to play 35 to 40 minutes a game if healthy and most would want to.Also playing and coaching are totally different things and Dawn is one of the best ever at playing the game but she is still learning the coaching side of the game.Any coach can win with having the most talent but to win like Ct. and Tenn. has a team needs structure,discipline,pay attention to all the little things as well as playing hard for 40 minutes like connecticut does.
 
I'm not sure Mississippi State qualifies as a team we should clobber. Sure, we have had closer than expected wins but winning in a close game against a top-10 team with a good defense shouldn't be a surprise. They're ranked there for a reason, they aren't world beaters quite yet but they are no slouch. Their defense will keep them in most games. Like another poster said, if MState had a another scorer or two they would've won that game last night. I tend to agree with that.

Very few teams consistently blow out other top 10 teams.
 
I had tickets for last year's UConn/USC game, but couldn't go because of the snow storm. Watching on ESPN, I was a bit taken back by USC's early lead playing in a hostile environment, but even then and even on TV, it was clear that USC just didn't switch fast enough, offer enough weak side help, etc. and I said to myself: they just don't have enough court discipline. USC has a lot of talent and, on a day when UConn is down, may well be able to beat UConn, but not very often....
 
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