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triaddukefan said:
Like the rankings in December and January really mattered in the end? No big deal really.
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Sorry not feeling well.I posted that to point out the Huskies did not dwell on that and SC should not make a statement like that because that shows no respect to ND.
 
cbraarj said:
Sorry not feeling well.I posted that to point out the Huskies did not dwell on that and SC should not make a statement like that because that shows no respect to ND.
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SC didn't make a statement like that. That particular statement came from one player and was echoed by another. It wasn't a slight on ND.. Players have a right to feel how they want. Some players felt like they didn't give ND their best game (I agree, they didn't), and they feel that if they had they would've been in the finals (who really knows). I'm pretty sure after losing to UCONN in multiple finals Notre Dame would say that they feel like they have yet to give UCONN their best game.. that's not saying UCONN isn't a worthy adversary. It's saying that they should've played better.

It's interesting to me how from that entire video (which isn't attached to the article), that's the one statement that gets dragged out. The video isn't about last year at all. It's about Dawn and how she's going to motivate the team this year.
 
SCGamecock said:
I'm pretty sure after losing to UCONN in multiple finals Notre Dame would say that they feel like they have yet to give UCONN their best game.. that's not saying UCONN isn't a worthy adversary. It's saying that they should've played better.
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Actually no. After the NC game ND players were appropriately pissed off and gracious. There was never an echo
of "if we had played our best game" or anything remotely close to that.
http://www.wndu.com/sports/headline...other-run-at-title-next-season-299100621.html
 
CocoHusky said:
Actually no. After the NC game ND players were appropriately pissed off and gracious. There was never an echo
of "if we had played our best game" or anything remotely close to that.
http://www.wndu.com/sports/headline...other-run-at-title-next-season-299100621.html
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"Defensively, we did some really good things. We held them to 63 points. We just shot the ball really poorly. Had we made just a couple more shots and a couple less turnovers, I think we’re just so close. It’s frustrating to get that close and know you could have really won the game" - Muffett McGraw

That's not even just remotely close to it, it's almost verbatim to my point. That's basically saying the exact same thing I'm arguing.

ND lost by 10 in the finals and McGraw is saying that they were so close and had they made a few more shots and less turnovers they know they could've won the game. SC lost by ONE point in the semifinals and the players aren't supposed to feel like they should've beaten ND and went to the finals against UCONN?

SC players were very gracious to ND for the win, but nobody should fault them if some of them felt like they could've played better and won the game. If you take Muffett's quote and attribute it to Dawn Staley she'd be right, Staley could've said the same thing.
 
SCGamecock said:
"Defensively, we did some really good things. We held them to 63 points. We just shot the ball really poorly. Had we made just a couple more shots and a couple less turnovers, I think we’re just so close. It’s frustrating to get that close and know you could have really won the game" - Muffett McGraw

That's not even just remotely close to it, it's almost verbatim to my point. That's basically saying the exact same thing I'm arguing.

ND lost by 10 in the finals and McGraw is saying that they were so close and had they made a few more shots and less turnovers they know they could've won the game. SC lost by ONE point in the semifinals and the players aren't supposed to feel like they should've beaten ND and went to the finals against UCONN?

SC players were very gracious to ND for the win, but nobody should fault them if some of them felt like they could've played better and won the game. If you take Muffett's quote and attribute it to Dawn Staley she'd be right, Staley could've said the same thing.
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That is typical COACH speak. THE ND PLAYERS did not say any of that. The SC player(s) did.
 
CocoHusky said:
That is typical COACH speak. THE ND PLAYERS did not say any of that. The SC player(s) did.
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And? I don't really see the problem with either. You can be respectful of your opponent without having to lack confidence. McGraw felt like they should've beaten UCONN in the finals. Good for her. Imovbioh said the team felt like they should've beaten ND in the semifinals. Good for them. All of it is just talk if you're not doing anything to change the result next time. In both instances, use that as motivation and change the result when you get back. I don't expect them to say "well we were just outmatched on the court, ND is a much better program than us.. they have a much better coach and they're just the greatest team to be second in the country".

If avenging a semifinal lost motivates the team and propels them to another FF then I'm all for it. It's not like she said that right after the game. She said that to a local beat writer after our first practice in a video about Dawn speaking on how she's going to motivate the team this year. They were graceful in defeat, now show me some fire and get back there. I'm glad they're starting to feel like they belong on the big stage. Far too many times last season SC played like a mid major against the elite teams.
 
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SCGamecock said:
SC didn't make a statement like that. That particular statement came from one player and was echoed by another. It wasn't a slight on ND.. Players have a right to feel how they want. Some players felt like they didn't give ND their best game (I agree, they didn't), and they feel that if they had they would've been in the finals (who really knows). I'm pretty sure after losing to UCONN in multiple finals Notre Dame would say that they feel like they have yet to give UCONN their best game.. that's not saying UCONN isn't a worthy adversary. It's saying that they should've played better.

It's interesting to me how from that entire video (which isn't attached to the article), that's the one statement that gets dragged out. The video isn't about last year at all. It's about Dawn and how she's going to motivate the team this year.
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The player that made the comment is new to the team this year and she wasn't even on the team last year.So where did she hear it and why would she comment on it.She heard it from her new teammates.I don't think you would ever hear a UConn player make a comment like that and like Coco said that comment came from the coach not a player.A Husky player making that comment would have received a tongue lashing from Geno or CD.
 
cbraarj said:
The player that made the comment is new to the team this year and she wasn't even on the team last year.So where did she hear it and why would she comment on it.She heard it from her new teammates.I don't think you would ever hear a UConn player make a comment like that and like Coco said that comment came from the coach not a player.A Husky player making that comment would have received a tongue lashing from Geno or CD.
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That's good for UCONN. Good for Geno and CD. I'm not here to criticize Geno's style of coaching or managing his team, it obviously works for him. We don't know what Dawn may have said to Imovbioh after the statement was made, maybe she DID give her a tongue lashing.

All of this to say that not all coaches are the same. I'm sure there are things Geno allows his players to do that Dawn doesn't allow her players to do. Whatever works for that coach. Dawn allows her players to speak freely to the media on certain things, so what, . There are plenty of things Geno does that I don't like. But it doesn't matter because I'm not a Husky fan. I don't think I'd ever see a day where Dawn calls Gamecock fans dumb***** (or whatever) for whatever reasons. But hey, Geno criticizes his fans, because it works for him. I may not like it, but if UCONN fans are cool with it (and a lot of you were), then so am I. I'm not saying Geno was wrong for saying that, but that's what works for him and his style. Our players speak candidly and freely to the media, other teams may not operate like that but hey it doesn't matter. No coaching or team management style is perfect.. you use what works for you.
 
SCGamecock said:
That's good for UCONN. Good for Geno and CD. I'm not here to criticize Geno's style of coaching or managing his team, it obviously works for him. We don't know what Dawn may have said to Imovbioh after the statement was made, maybe she DID give her a tongue lashing.

All of this to say that not all coaches are the same. I'm sure there are things Geno allows his players to do that Dawn doesn't allow her players to do. Whatever works for that coach. Dawn allows her players to speak freely to the media on certain things, so what, . There are plenty of things Geno does that I don't like. But it doesn't matter because I'm not a Husky fan. I don't think I'd ever see a day where Dawn calls Gamecock fans dumb***** (or whatever) for whatever reasons. But hey, Geno criticizes his fans, because it works for him. I may not like it, but if UCONN fans are cool with it (and a lot of you were), then so am I. I'm not saying Geno was wrong for saying that, but that's what works for him and his style. Our players speak candidly and freely to the media, other teams may not operate like that but hey it doesn't matter. No coaching or team management style is perfect.. you use what works for you.
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Surely we cant rebuke Geno. If he says it then it's scripture.
 
SCGamecock said:
That's good for UCONN. Good for Geno and CD. I'm not here to criticize Geno's style of coaching or managing his team, it obviously works for him. We don't know what Dawn may have said to Imovbioh after the statement was made, maybe she DID give her a tongue lashing.

All of this to say that not all coaches are the same. I'm sure there are things Geno allows his players to do that Dawn doesn't allow her players to do. Whatever works for that coach. Dawn allows her players to speak freely to the media on certain things, so what, . There are plenty of things Geno does that I don't like. But it doesn't matter because I'm not a Husky fan. I don't think I'd ever see a day where Dawn calls Gamecock fans dumb***** (or whatever) for whatever reasons. But hey, Geno criticizes his fans, because it works for him. I may not like it, but if UCONN fans are cool with it (and a lot of you were), then so am I. I'm not saying Geno was wrong for saying that, but that's what works for him and his style. Our players speak candidly and freely to the media, other teams may not operate like that but hey it doesn't matter. No coaching or team management style is perfect.. you use what works for you.
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Geno criticizes his fans because he was honest about some of the fans that follow his team.Watch the press conference after the loss to UConn last year and you see a pattern with the SC players.There are a lot of other teams who wouldn't allow that either.I have been a Dawn Staley fan since she played at Virginia but IMO they don't respect the other teams they play.
 
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cbraarj said:
Geno criticizes his fans because he was honest about some of the fans that follow his team.Watch the press conference after the loss to UConn last year and you see a pattern with the SC players.There are a lot of other teams who wouldn't allow that either.I have been a Dawn Staley fan since she played at Virginia but IMO they don't respect the other teams they play.
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Okay I had go back and re-watch the post game press conference and maybe I'm missing something here. Could you please point out which statement made by Aleighsa or Tiffany that gave you the impression that they dont respect other teams.
 
cbraarj said:
Geno criticizes his fans because he was honest about some of the fans that follow his team.Watch the press conference after the loss to UConn last year and you see a pattern with the SC players.There are a lot of other teams who wouldn't allow that either.I have been a Dawn Staley fan since she played at Virginia but IMO they don't respect the other teams they play.
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Exactly as I thought, no response from you. This only leaves me to believe that Geno's not to far off on his assessment of some of the Husky fans.
 
cbraarj said:
Geno criticizes his fans because he was honest about some of the fans that follow his team.Watch the press conference after the loss to UConn last year and you see a pattern with the SC players.There are a lot of other teams who wouldn't allow that either.I have been a Dawn Staley fan since she played at Virginia but IMO they don't respect the other teams they play.
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Well just like Geno was being honest. So was Sarah. Honesty works both ways, not just when it goes in your favor or want to hear it. She wasn't on the team last year.. but if the team feels like they should've won versus Notre Dame then good for them. Allow them their confidence. Hopefully they avenge that lost next time. I'm not sure why this is such a big deal to you anyway. You seem to make a big deal out of every little thing SC does though.

And I watched the post game presser after the UCONN game. I saw a SC team that knows they got thoroughly whooped by UCONN. Sure, they were upset because they got handled on the national stage but they were very complimentary of UCONN. Just because they're not groveling doesn't mean they don't respect the opponent. I probably wouldn't be pumping sunshine and singing praises if I almost got beat by 30 on national television either..
 
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FAN11 said:
Exactly as I thought, no response from you. This only leaves me to believe that Geno's not to far off on his assessment of some of the Husky fans.[/QU
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FAN11 said:
Exactly as I thought, no response from you. This only leaves me to believe that Geno's not to far off on his assessment of some of the Husky fans.
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I don't stay online all the time.It is usually once or twice a week.Sorry the SC players could learn to carry themselves better then they did.I have been following UConn Women since 1986 when they were recruiting Laura Lishness.She was a starting guard for their first FF team.I never use the word we like some of the posters do!I don't make comments about the blowouts.If they lose a game I don't say "what is wrong with them."So don't ever put me in that group because between my playing days and my coaching.I know more about basketball than you could even imagine.Since physically I can't do either anymore because it is hard to stay on my feet.I do scout about 125 games a year to stay involved with the game so am I one of those fans "don't think so!"
 
cbraarj said:
I don't stay online all the time.It is usually once or twice a week.Sorry the SC players could learn to carry themselves better then they did.I have been following UConn Women since 1986 when they were recruiting Laura Lishness.She was a starting guard for their first FF team.I never use the word we like some of the posters do!I don't make comments about the blowouts.If they lose a game I don't say "what is wrong with them."So don't ever put me in that group because between my playing days and my coaching.I know more about basketball than you could even imagine.Since physically I can't do either anymore because it is hard to stay on my feet.I do scout about 125 games a year to stay involved with the game so am I one of those fans "don't think so!"
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Now I'm convinced and I'll leave it at that. Next time your online though watch the post game player comments from the Husky's last lost against Stanford and tell me what you think.
 
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RockyMTblue2 said:
I think it will be a close call if Russell holds up; SC's potential Achilles is still its backcourt.
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I don't understand the logic behind this. Russell has never missed a season due to injury. She missed last season for corrective surgery, which is much different than an injury. It's similar to someone who has bunion surgery and then puts the pain behind them in their rear view mirror. Some here questioned if Russell would even be ready to go this season, but that question should have been answered as she led the WUG team this summer. I guess she'll just have to keep answering those questions.
 
stwainfan said:
If they ever are going to win a NC. This would be the year
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SC will be better next season. They'll lose Mitchell, but gain Davis and Gray, which will be the addition of 2 elite level guards with experience and maturity and plenty of game. Wilson will be a junior and Coates a senior. This season, I can see another final 4.
 
Justavisitor said:
I don't understand the logic behind this. Russell has never missed a season due to injury. She missed last season for corrective surgery, which is much different than an injury. It's similar to someone who has bunion surgery and then puts the pain behind them in their rear view mirror. Some here questioned if Russell would even be ready to go this season, but that question should have been answered as she led the WUG team this summer. I guess she'll just have to keep answering those questions.
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"Russell said in June that she's had foot problems for "a couple of years." They were made worse by the length of the collegiate season.

She said the surgery she underwent this spring involved every toe of her right foot. Russell said part of the bone on the first two toes of her right foot was removed and plates were inserted. She said the ligaments of the other three toes also were addressed. The initial prognosis threatened the start of the season but there was no mention of a possible redshirt.""

I don't know if makes me feel better than instead of having an acute injury she had lingering problems over multiple years. I hope it works out for her and she can be totally healthy for 3 years. I would actually love to hear a doctor's explanation re the chances of it working and her feet being 100% healthy for the remainder of her time at Tennessee.

To this layman, though, the facts that she a) needed surgery on every toe of her right foot and b) was originally expected to play last year but ultimately redshirted both raise serious doubts as to her health going forward.
 
Orangutan said:
"Russell said in June that she's had foot problems for "a couple of years." They were made worse by the length of the collegiate season.

She said the surgery she underwent this spring involved every toe of her right foot. Russell said part of the bone on the first two toes of her right foot was removed and plates were inserted. She said the ligaments of the other three toes also were addressed. The initial prognosis threatened the start of the season but there was no mention of a possible redshirt.""

I don't know if makes me feel better than instead of having an acute injury she had lingering problems over multiple years. I hope it works out for her and she can be totally healthy for 3 years. I would actually love to hear a doctor's explanation re the chances of it working and her feet being 100% healthy for the remainder of her time at Tennessee.

To this layman, though, the facts that she a) needed surgery on every toe of her right foot and b) was originally expected to play last year but ultimately redshirted both raise serious doubts as to her health going forward.
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Originally, she was going to have surgery on one foot, play her sophomore year, surgery on the other foot, and then play her junior year. The only reason she red shirted was because the first procedure went so well that she decided to sit out and get the 2nd foot done right away. It wasn't a set back. She also was playing in pain prior to the surgeries, but she wasn't injured. Like I previously commented, some people will live with the pain of bunions for their entire life, while some prefer to have a surgery and eliminate the issue that's causing the pain.
 
Justavisitor said:
Originally, she was going to have surgery on one foot, play her sophomore year, surgery on the other foot, and then play her junior year. The only reason she red shirted was because the first procedure went so well that she decided to sit out and get the 2nd foot done right away. It wasn't a set back. She also was playing in pain prior to the surgeries, but she wasn't injured. Like I previously commented, some people will live with the pain of bunions for their entire life, while some prefer to have a surgery and eliminate the issue that's causing the pain.
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Ah, ok. That wasn't clear from the Go Vols Xtra article I read, which was the best source I could find quickly on her surgery.
 
I really think that UTenn will be a formidable team this year,
playing a brand of street-ball that suits the talents and disposition of their players
And clearly establishes for all to see, Holly's limitations.

And they'll probably get as far as the Elite-8 again (unless they meet a much more coherent team).
 
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Justavisitor said:
some people will live with the pain of bunions for their entire life, while some prefer to have a surgery and eliminate the issue that's causing the pain.
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and many do not play college basketball or basketball at all
 
Justavisitor said:
I don't understand the logic behind this. Russell has never missed a season due to injury. She missed last season for corrective surgery, which is much different than an injury. It's similar to someone who has bunion surgery and then puts the pain behind them in their rear view mirror. Some here questioned if Russell would even be ready to go this season, but that question should have been answered as she led the WUG team this summer. I guess she'll just have to keep answering those questions.
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I hope Russell's feet/foot hold(s) up. I have never seen anything that ever explained what was wrong and how it was fixed. Some people just have bad feet, like some people have bad knees - the design is off, like a high patella condition that puts undue strain on the patella, breaks down cartilage etc. The foot is complex, full of nerves and full of movement. Large people have problems for obvious reasons. Less than ideal foot design and repetitive stress produces bone deformation, bone spurs, nerve damage and repairs often work for a time only to break down or produce problems elsewhere in the foot. Bad feet have retired a number of NBAers early.

So that is the logic behind the "if" on her feet holding up.
 
msf22b said:
I really think that UTenn will be a formidable team this year,
playing a brand of street-ball that suits the talents and disposition of their players
And clearly establishes for all to see, Holly's limitations.

And they'll probably get as far as the Elite-8 again (unless they meet a much more coherent team).
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Sometimes there are comments that just boggle the mind.
 
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