Sorta OT: ESPN Body Issue

[meyers7]

According to this article, Ms Stewart and Ms Bird will be in the new Body Issue of ESPN The Magazine. Along with Sue's girlfriend (partner?) Megan Rapinoe.

Also mentions USA National Team, not sure whether that is Basketball or Soccer??


Giants' Barkley among 16 athletes in Body Issue

 

[Orangutan]

Also mentions USA National Team, not sure whether that is Basketball or Soccer??

I believe this is all one phrase describing the teams Rapinoe plays for "U.S. women's national team and Seattle Reign forward Megan Rapinoe"

 

[meyers7]

I believe this is all one phrase describing the teams Rapinoe plays for "U.S. women's national team and Seattle Reign forward Megan Rapinoe"

Kinda what I thought, but wasn't sure. But then later they say Crystal Dunne from the WNT. ???

 

[Orangutan]

These pics are live as are the accompanying interviews:
Bird-Rapinoe interview - Sue Bird and Megan Rapinoe debate basketball vs. soccer
Stewie interview - Stewart: 'I have a story, and I hope people can see that'

 

[RockyMTblue2]

I guess "objectified" is out of the vocabulary when it's ESPN and naked women? I'm no prude but the total hypocrisy is sorta mind numbing. It's like an alternate universe run by SNL. I find the whole thing pretty darn funny.

 

[sarals24]

Well, it's objectification for both men and women, but more in the sense of "look at how amazing and different all these bodies are," all of whom are at the very top of their athletic field. Their bodies are used as their livelihoods. This is much, much, different than the swimsuit issue of SI, for example. Highly doubt there would be a story in there about Breanna Stewart's sexual abuse, for example. Or Sue Bird's journey toward publicly coming out. The only gratuitous thing you see is butts, anyway. I love this issues and look forward to it every year.

 

[RockyMTblue2]

So @sarals24 .... why wait:



Watcha think ... did she make it?

 

[RockyMTblue2]

This is my Fav:

SEE THEM ALL Here: The Body Issue 2018

 

[RockyMTblue2]

Like this better than her cover shot:

 

[eebmg]

This one was surprising.Greg Norman.

 

[MilfordHusky]

So @sarals24 .... why wait:



Watcha think ... did she make it?

Finally we get to see Stewie dunk! Congrats, Breanna!

 

[eebmg]

I am very glad that UConn's deep and unfair relationship with ESPN is finally paying dividends.

 

[Scud49]

Stewie looks great!

 

[Hope]

L-G-B-T-Q All these letters are confusing, but it seems that women avoid the "L" and opt for the "G." Why is that?



1st LGBTQ couple featured on cover of ESPN The Magazine's body issue

 

[Crossover]

L-G-B-T-Q All these letters are confusing, but it seems that women avoid the "L" and opt for the "G." Why is that?



1st LGBTQ couple featured on cover of ESPN The Magazine's body issue

I don't find the letters confusing. That said, I think that Megan and Sue use "gay" rather than "lesbian" in this context because no couple representing any of the sexual identities represented by the letters has been featured on the cover of the body issue. "Gay" is more generic than "lesbian". However, I suspect that Megan would have preferred to use "queer", but Sue was afraid it would freak some people out.

 

[cockhrnleghrn]

L-G-B-T-Q All these letters are confusing, but it seems that women avoid the "L" and opt for the "G." Why is that?



1st LGBTQ couple featured on cover of ESPN The Magazine's body issue

Most women I know use Lesbian instead of Gay, though older women are much more likely to use Gay as the all-encompassing term. I've been an activist for almost 30 years and I've seen a clear evolution of terms used during that period of time.

 

[meyers7]

This one was surprising.Greg Norman.

Yes, impressive for 63. (but he works at it)

Greg Norman on surfing, dieting and climbing Everest

 

[GoUconn7961]

I guess "objectified" is out of the vocabulary when it's ESPN and naked women? I'm no prude but the total hypocrisy is sorta mind numbing. It's like an alternate universe run by SNL. I find the whole thing pretty darn funny.

You're being "objectified" if you are doing this against your will. The stunning athletes that made the choice to pose did so willingly (and were probably paid a pretty penny). That is the difference.

 

[RockyMTblue2]

You're being "objectified" if you are doing this against your will.

Women have repeatedly attacked women for feeding the objectification of women by posing suggestively for $. Your distinction is just a difference, do a distiction. Every beauty contest is attacked as objectifying, yadda yadda. Sorry, but your rationale just doesn't fly.

 

[RockyMTblue2]

Sue and Megan nude photo shoot and interview video up on ESPN front page. Women's Basketball - ESPN

 

[Crossover]

Women have repeatedly attacked women for feeding the objectification of women by posing suggestively for $. Your distinction is just a difference, do a distiction. Every beauty contest is attacked as objectifying, yadda yadda. Sorry, but your rationale just doesn't fly.

Although I often used the phrase "distinction without a difference" during my 30-year tenure as s a law professor, I knew in my heart of hearts (yes, lawyers have hearts, although many are occluded) that the phrase is empty. Great if you want to be argumentative; not so great if you want to engage in meaningful sorting. With respect to your global claim about what "women" have said, it seems to me that Stewie stands in the sneakers of Sojourner Truth who plaintively asked "Ain't I a woman"? Also, there is a long rich debate among avowed feminists on the subject you are raising. You really should read more widely.

 

[RockyMTblue2]

"Also, there is a long rich debate among avowed feminists on the subject you are raising. You really should read more widely." I'm well aware of it and I would argue it makes my point. Lots of women don't condone or excuse what they consider exploitation because the woman involved profited from it.

I don't feel strongly about this, and I'm not the one who advanced the notion that being "in control of" and getting paid for your nude display makes it something other than exploitation of human sexual characteristics. The magazine special issue is predicated on the desire of the readers to see athletes in the buff.

"I’ve always enjoyed this issue the most because I admired and looked up to the athletes who were sending the message 'strong is sexy.'" Ric Flair's daughter, Charlotte, poses nude for photo shoot

I do understand :

"I’m on a mission and one of my bucket list goals was to have the opportunity to be in this issue so it’s one part pinch me moment and second part another reason why the women’s evolution is continuing to make an impact on all fronts around the world," she added. "Being able to feel strong, sexy and comfortable in my own skin is empowering and I hope this helps others to feel the same."

 

[j66kicker]

This short article makes some good points...

The ESPN Body Issue Normalizes Sexual Objectification | HuffPost

 

[GoUconn7961]

Women have repeatedly attacked women for feeding the objectification of women by posing suggestively for $. Your distinction is just a difference, do a distiction. Every beauty contest is attacked as objectifying, yadda yadda. Sorry, but your rationale just doesn't fly.

Well - I can only speak for myself - as a woman and all...

 

[Orangutan]