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While we are at it, end 501(c)3 status. Times have changed

End 501(c)(3) status for what? Universities?

The fact that individuals make salaries that people view as overly generous is very different than shareholders profiting because the university as a whole generates net income. We don't tax non-profits because since no one gets the profits, the money presumably gets poured back into public uses.

Athletic departments are a very small part of universities. The fact that coaches make a lot of money is hardly a reason to tax the entire university.
 
It is 2022, stop looking at things like we are still in the 1960s, just because the NCAA still defines student-athletes as amateurs. The money star players generate for their universities is through the roof. It was long past time that players get to profit off all of their hard work beyond just free education. For every Caleb Williams, there are thousands of kids who will never see a dime beyond the scholarship and stipends they currently receive. The only insanity that needs to stop is people getting upset because a kid has a chance to make money while playing a college sport, especially so in football where a playing career could be ended due to injury at any moment long before they can cash in on any pro money.

Also, last I checked, there is no minor league system for football and there never will be while the NFL has one for free with college football.
What about all the non student-athletes? If they go onto great things and fame should the universities pay them? Should Harvard and Yale pay a stipend to all the students that graduated there and went on to become President of USA, Nobel Prize winners etc?
You are just looking at it from an athletic aspect. I go back to the old argument that they receive a free ride at a university that affords them the highest level showcase platform (free national visibility) and some of the funds generated by these athletes will compensate for that expense.
It was long past time that players get to profit off all of their hard work beyond just free education What a bunch of myopic crap that line is. Their profit comes as any student's does - in the working world. What about all those kids who study hard, do community work and other time consuming things to better themselves and shine a light on their school? Some athletes stay 1/2 of year, never go to class and work on their bodies and nothing else. College, especially in football, is basically their only route to get drafted, they get to attend a university gratis for that 1/2 year but they should get more? None of these 1 or 2 and done full scholarship athletes are straddled with tens of thousands dollars in student loan debt.
I smile to see your AD DB Burner moniker because you appear think like him, and that is a problem for college sports.
If you are so fervent about paying these kids, start your own football farm system and get financial backing from the Nike's and other corporate conglomerate dolts. This would allow places in college sports for true student athletes; taking the rent a players away. Baseball, and hopefully soon basketball, has the right ideas and work arounds.
As a player risks injury, any student can befall an issue that takes their ability to earn money to do what they dream away, but most students who complete their college tenure will have something else to hopefully fall back on - skills to do a myriad of different job responsibilities.
I am totally for giving stipends to all students on an as needed basis - too much attention is paid to the student athletes. Remember - a huge percentage that make millions playing pro sports give little or nothing back to the school that gave them a place to show off their talents on a national stage.
Carmelo Anthony, love him or hate him, is a rare occurrence with what he has done for Cuse.
 
End 501(c)(3) status for what? Universities?

The fact that individuals make salaries that people view as overly generous is very different than shareholders profiting because the university as a whole generates net income. We don't tax non-profits because since no one gets the profits, the money presumably gets poured back into public uses.

Athletic departments are a very small part of universities. The fact that coaches make a lot of money is hardly a reason to tax the entire university.
Yes for universities.
 
What about all the non student-athletes? If they go onto great things and fame should the universities pay them? Should Harvard and Yale pay a stipend to all the students that graduated there and went on to become President of USA, Nobel Prize winners etc?
You are just looking at it from an athletic aspect. I go back to the old argument that they receive a free ride at a university that affords them the highest level showcase platform (free national visibility) and some of the funds generated by these athletes will compensate for that expense.
It was long past time that players get to profit off all of their hard work beyond just free education What a bunch of myopic crap that line is. Their profit comes as any student's does - in the working world. What about all those kids who study hard, do community work and other time consuming things to better themselves and shine a light on their school? Some athletes stay 1/2 of year, never go to class and work on their bodies and nothing else. College, especially in football, is basically their only route to get drafted, they get to attend a university gratis for that 1/2 year but they should get more? None of these 1 or 2 and done full scholarship athletes are straddled with tens of thousands dollars in student loan debt.
I smile to see your AD DB Burner moniker because you appear think like him, and that is a problem for college sports.
If you are so fervent about paying these kids, start your own football farm system and get financial backing from the Nike's and other corporate conglomerate dolts. This would allow places in college sports for true student athletes; taking the rent a players away. Baseball, and hopefully soon basketball, has the right ideas and work arounds.
As a player risks injury, any student can befall an issue that takes their ability to earn money to do what they dream away, but most students who complete their college tenure will have something else to hopefully fall back on - skills to do a myriad of different job responsibilities.
I am totally for giving stipends to all students on an as needed basis - too much attention is paid to the student athletes. Remember - a huge percentage that make millions playing pro sports give little or nothing back to the school that gave them a place to show off their talents on a national stage.
Carmelo Anthony, love him or hate him, is a rare occurrence with what he has done for Cuse.

Where did I say anything about universities paying student-athletes? This whole discussion is based upon NIL and the small percentage of student-athletes both talented enough and marketable enough to take advantage of these new opportunities.
 
Without the players, "big brand University" wouldn't have a product to put on the field. The coaches wouldn't have anyone to coach, the sponsors wouldn't have anyone to sponsor, and the networks wouldn't have the sport(s) to broadcast. NIL was long overdue.

Don't like it, stick to watching high school sports.
Nope. There are plenty of athletes willing to play for a scholly and did for a very long time.
 
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Yes for universities.

Brilliant idea. We tax corporations on income. State and private universities don't make net income. They spend more than they make and make up the difference with either taxpayer money or charitable gifts. So what's your plan, Stan?
 
Nope. There are plenty of athletes willing to play for a scholly and did for a very long time.
Incredibly naïve to make that argument as if the players 1) had a choice and 2) weren't often paid under the table anyway.

Must be new to college sports, you've got a lot to learn.
 
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Where did I say anything about universities paying student-athletes? This whole discussion is based upon NIL and the small percentage of student-athletes both talented enough and marketable enough to take advantage of these new opportunities.
He's lost. In more ways than one.
 
The ncaa won't do anything about it because what are they really going to do? Tell them they're suspended if they don't take the money? Fat chance. They'll get taken to court and lose.
 
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If they were content doing that, they wouldn't be begging and paying.

This is basic business. If the kids weren't worth it, no one would be paying.
And the problem is? I go to Wesleyan games on occasion and just walk in. No tickets. Players graduate with real degrees in 4 years. They don’t pretend they are students.
 
Nope. There are plenty of athletes willing to play for a scholly and did for a very long time.
To think this way you have to ignore the explosion of money in college sports. You have college coaches getting paid more than NFL coaches.
 
And the problem is? I go to Wesleyan games on occasion and just walk in. No tickets. Players graduate with real degrees in 4 years. They don’t pretend they are students.
If the guys on the squad could get the deal Caleb Williams can, you really believe they would be at Wesleyan?

Star athletes didn't create this mess. They are just finally in a position to maximize the benefits from it. If a bunch of boosters are willing to pay me $1 million to something I was doing anyway....i"m taking the money.
 
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If the guys on the squad could get the deal Caleb Williams can, you really believe they would be at Wesleyan?

Star athletes didn't create this mess. They are just finally in a position to maximize the benefits from it. If a bunch of boosters are willing to pay me $1 million to something I was doing anyway....i"m taking the money.
Its probably not worth a million dollars to go to some crap team, against some crap competition, with crap skill players around you. Chances are you get hurt or just don't play as well and you screw up your draft position and and lose millions.
 
Its probably not worth a million dollars to go to some crap team, against some crap competition, with crap skill players around you. Chances are you get hurt or just don't play as well and you screw up your draft position and and lose millions.
I sure hope you played on a team with no crap players. I especially hope you had more skill than those crap players at EMU. Do any of you ever think about what you say about these CRAP players? Anyone who sees the field at EMU is not a CRAP player. Who did you play against for your competition? Sure hope it wasan't against CRAP competition.
 
Its probably not worth a million dollars to go to some crap team, against some crap competition, with crap skill players around you. Chances are you get hurt or just don't play as well and you screw up your draft position and and lose millions.
He isn't going to a crap team...Where ever he goes will be deep and talented. I doubt he is an idiot.
 
I sure hope you played on a team with no crap players. I especially hope you had more skill than those crap players at EMU. Do any of you ever think about what you say about these CRAP players? Anyone who sees the field at EMU is not a CRAP player. Who did you play against for your competition? Sure hope it wasan't against CRAP competition.
I'm sorry you can't handle the reality of life. EMU does not have a bunch of good players and it makes zero sense for a good player to risk their career to go there.
 
He isn't going to a crap team...Where ever he goes will be deep and talented. I doubt he is an idiot.
That's pretty much my point. Everyone is getting their panties in a twirl over the million dollar offer from Eastern Michigan, when in fact it doesn't make financial sense. The whole buying players thing is quite overblown unless you are worried about one major P5 buying a player vs another major P5.
 
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$1m? He’ll be getting closer to $3m if he plays his hand correctly. Several SEC schools are offering (via various boosters—ie, Bubba Jones Jaguar) multi millions to 5 star recruits, let alone proven commodities. It’s totally out of control. If Williams lands at USC with Coach Lincoln Riley it will be for less but if he ends up in the SEC, rest assured he got a wheelbarrow full of green,
 
End 501(c)(3) status for what? Universities?

The fact that individuals make salaries that people view as overly generous is very different than shareholders profiting because the university as a whole generates net income. We don't tax non-profits because since no one gets the profits, the money presumably gets poured back into public uses.

Athletic departments are a very small part of universities. The fact that coaches make a lot of money is hardly a reason to tax the entire university.
It's been a few years since I read "Billion Dollar Ball" so I'm not sure about some of the details, but Texas and some other schools have set up their athletic departments as separate corporations. As such, they're free of many encumbrances other athletic departments face.

I don't recall what "charitable purpose" nor the specific IRS code they fall under but I believe it still allows tax exempt status albeit without having to answer to or be regulated by the university's policies.

If what I recall is correct that could lead to loss of tax exempt status and all its benefits if Congress decided there is no charitable purpose to their being and changed the law. It's actually surprising the "progressives" haven't gone after this...........yet.
 
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