Hawkins advantage was size and lift around the rim, but like Solo, no power game.
Yeah but where is that twitchy athlete? I will say at this point of his career is a lot more consistent 3 point shooter than Hawkins and a better dribbler. I like to see how his game develops. He could be an even greater player and a chance for the next level if he has an offseason to work on his deficiencies.
You know exactly what I’m saying homeslice. Spot on. The offense itself creates assists, we don’t need one dude to do it in the traditional sense. This is not an iso or iso-dish offense. Marquette ran a lot of that, to the point Jones was flipping pass outs to 3 on a fairly predictable and sometimes errant level.
Solo has made some really nice passes in the lane lately.
I think this is the main thing when we talk about Ball and his assist numbers. That’s just not his role. He is the come off the screen and spot up guy. That role doesn’t open up room for a lot of assists, especially since he’s not great at putting the ball on the floor and creating right now.
I always think of Taliek as a "true PG". Though that was maybe because he was NOT a good shooter. Lol But he could certainly dish it out and handle the ball.
Probably Taliek, whenever the boneyard starts talking about true PGs their outdated description usually involves small, table setting/limited scoring guards and those have mostly gone the way of the dinosaur. They still exist but I want my lead guards to have the ability to go get a bucket.
Was Shabazz not considered a true PG in every sense of the word?
You're arguing with me about about a definition/description that I don't adhere to
Hawkins will be fine. Sam Hauser and Landrey Shamet play meaningful NBA minutes when all they can do is shoot. Steve Novak carved out a 10 year NBA career just shooting. Hawk will always have a place in the league. Shooters always do. The Pelicans are just a giant pile of garbage as an organization. He needs to be somewhere else.Unless you’re just the absolute best, you are not going to survive the NBA with your best and only skill being the hardest shot in basketball.
It is just not feasible. You’ll have times when you’re on and hot. But it’s not a recipe for consistency.
Being able to attack and be a three level scorer is something you can lean on when your shot may not be falling. Solo also has a BEAUTIFUL pull up jump shot that few times he’s gone to it. Him working on his handle would allow him to incorporate that more into his game as well.
The last level of out sensei guard training we used to do here would be learning how to use your elite midrange to draw fouls. But I won’t get carried away
I thought you said in chat that you had me on ignore?
Shooters will have a place in the league if they shoot better than 32.8%. That's on a large sample size of nearly 6 shots per game.
Maybe he’s just playing hard to get
shooters have a place in the league if they actually make shots, Hawkins isn't doing that. The organization has nothing to do with Hawkins struggling, Trey Murphy came into the league with a rep as a shooter and he's elevated his play every year he's been in the league. The Pelicans haven't impeded his ability to put the ball in the basket and get better as a player. Hawkins rookie year was on par with Murphy's but this 2nd year has been a massive disappointment so far.
Put on the breaks a little bit there. First off, he's a long way from being transformed into a PG. He's a great shooter and is just starting to manufacture some scoring opportunities for himself. His handle is improving but I don't know how well he sees the floor yet. Maybe he'll transform into a point guard which would be his best path in the NBA. He reminds me of a Payton Pritchard type player, who is an important rotation player for the C's. It took time for him to be the player he is now, on both ends of the floor, but he showed he could be coached up.
It would be a waste of a lottery pick if he's like those guys. Hauser was undrafted, Novak second round, and Shamet end of the first round. They all shoot it better than Hawkins does. Hawk better become a really good three point shooter or he will end up an end of the bench guy struggling to stay in the league. For a "great shooter" he rarely seems to make them.
funny for him to bring up Shamet who isn't even good, barely plays, and is hanging onto his NBA gig by a thread. if that's the comp for Hawkins then his career has gone incredibly off track.
I brought up Shamet as a floor to prove a point. Wing guys who can shoot always have a role in the league. Writing of a second year guy in a sophomore slump who has proved to be a sniper at every level is unwise. I don’t know how you took that to mean Shamet it his player comp. Why didn’t you think Hauser or Novak? He “plays” like none of them. The commonality between the 3 is shooting. Wayne Ellington had a 10 year career for crying out loud lmao. Shooters will always have a job. I could care less about his sophomore slump. Hawk can shoot the s*** out of the ball.
Hawkins is strange to me. His whole game is shooting and he got his rep based off of being able to hit high degree of difficulty shots and what he did in the tournament. He gets a ton of lift on his shot, has a quick release and his form looks similar to Ray Allen but once you get over how pretty it looks you realize he's not all that great a shooter and shooting is basically all he does.
The only problem with that is he hasn't proven to be a sniper on every level and he hasn't consistently shown he shoots the s*** out of the ball on either level.
yea at some point the production has to match up with the aesthetics on the jumper, Hawk gets Ray Allen comps because of the UConn connection and the picturesque form but college Ray is smoking him efficiency wise. Rip doesn't get billed as a long range sniper because of his midrange game in the pros and even he shot better from 3 as a sophomore on similar volume. only so long you can get by on a reputation as a shooter before the production has to meet up with perception.
Agreed. He shot 36% last year. He’s slumping this season. Way to early to right him off. I don’t think his jump shot is a concern right now. At least not for me.
