So how come NaLyssa Smith

[bballnut90]

....... And with 6 sec to go? That was yet another charge.

....where was the charge and who drew the foul?

 

[nwhoopfan]

....... And with 6 sec to go? That was yet another charge.

The one w/ the controversial no call at the end of the game? If that's what you're talking about, I didn't see what you saw.

 

[SECbbfan24]

But looking at Baylor’s performance over several years, it seems a recurring theme that when the team faces unexpected adversity, they don’t respond too well. Doesn’t speak well of Kim.

There have been times where Kim's teams have folded like cheap tents but they literally clawed their way back and fought back after each run against a great UCONN team. They had a response every time UCONN made a run. I wouldn't say they didn't handle the adversity well. It was a respectable fight they put up

What I think Baylor didn't do well:
-Not calling a TO during UCONN's 19-0 run
- that last play call, I am not a fan of and we can agree with that. It gave Carrington very little chance. Foul or no foul, you can't put yourself into that position.
-Not enough touches for Smith. Best player for Baylor period and she is a mismatch to defend in the open floor.

 

[asuwish]

Carrington was overly aggressive, being called for a charge at 9:04 & 7:24, & the last second attempt was a charge, as well. But when the 19 point run was over, UConn scored only 5 points in the last 7 minutes.

The last second attempt was no charge. As Geno said Paige got fouled earlier and didn't get the call. Even Geno's daughter and Swin Cash called it a foul on social media. The 3 refs were letting that play on. Players need to be aware of how refs are calling the game.

 

[asuwish]

The last second attempt was no charge. As Geno said Paige got fouled earlier and didn't get the call. Even Geno's daughter and Swin Cash called it a foul on social media. The 3 refs were letting that play on. Players need to be aware of how refs are calling the game.

As a former coach people should understand what we see, the player sees and the refs see depends on where you are. If you were standing in front or behind Edwards you could think her hands were straight up. From the side, and of course with 50 camera angles in slow motion you see her hands were forward, not straight up. Plays happen very fast. It's possible more than one ref could have been blocked by the 7 other players, and again were you stand effects what a ref calls. 3 refs and they all thought play on. In hind sight if the refs looked back, and they do, they will find many missed calls or called fouls that weren't. They get evaluated for consistency and how even the calling of the game is.

 

[HopJim]

I rewatched the game and saw a couple of factors I missed the first time:
-When getting the ball around the key, Smith seemed reluctant to drive on Aubrey. I had thought Aubrey had a mediocre 1st half but changed my mind after the replay.
-Carrington was unstoppable for a time but never looked to pass. Once UConn recognized this, they doubled her most times she got the ball. One factor that contributed to Carrington's poor offensive performance the 2nd half.

 

[hoopsfan22]

I still don't know how people expect a ref to call a foul in real time even after people who watch slow mo and look at the still shots from different angles still debate. Also don't understand the argument that the final minutes of play is more important than the other 39 minutes so the game should get called differently at the end of the game. If that's true, then we might as well reduce the game to a hockey style shootout. Each team picks five players to shoot two FTs and whoever knocks down the most wins. That way we don't have to waste our time with the other 39 minutes.

 

[Dove]

only took 5 shots in the second half, Coach Mulkey? and she made 4. I believe Christyn was guarding her, but Christyn wasn't going to stop her a lot of the time, but obviously she wasn't taking shots a lot of the time. She was their best player, but she was taking many more shots. maybe a bigger reason for Baylor losing than the unfortunate no-call.

Their best player that night was Carrington closely followed by Didi.

 

[chuck.r]

Their best player that night was Carrington closely followed by Didi.

Queen Egbo had a pretty effective game as well. She rebounded, defended and made some crucial shots down low. Every time Mulkey spelled her with Bickle or Gusters, she was forced to get Egbo back in quickly as UConn tended to take advantage of her absence.

 

[King Kong]

As a former coach people should understand what we see, the player sees and the refs see depends on where you are. If you were standing in front or behind Edwards you could think her hands were straight up. From the side, and of course with 50 camera angles in slow motion you see her hands were forward, not straight up. Plays happen very fast. It's possible more than one ref could have been blocked by the 7 other players, and again were you stand effects what a ref calls. 3 refs and they all thought play on. In hind sight if the refs looked back, and they do, they will find many missed calls or called fouls that weren't. They get evaluated for consistency and how even the calling of the game is.

Carrington was carrying the offense under great pressure. She was called for charging at 9:04 & 7:24 that I saw. With 5 seconds left, she turned to her right, & elevated right into the upraised arms of 2 UConn players. I just viewed it again, & it was her movement into the UConn players that determined the contact. It has become the living symbol of the anti-UConn crowd. It was the pattern of behavior of Carrington in this game, to charge the opposition; to take control of the offense - but she would not pass the ball to teammates waiting for the ball. When Paige was lying on the floor with a Baylor player lying on top of her, Geno asked the official what happened. The official said "I don't know". If it had been a cleaner game, it would have meant a greater margin of victory for UConn.

 

[boontonbomber]

Their best player that night was Carrington closely followed by Didi.

Smith had 13 rebounds and 14 points, while taking only 13 shots. Carrington shot 32% for the game, 17% for the 2nd half, along with 3 turnovers, some critical. She takes 12 shots in the 2nd half, while Baylor's All American takes only 5. Mulkey should have shut down Carrington some, and gone to her best player more. Didi's story certainly was inspiring, and she rightly deserved the recognition. But 4 points and 2 assists in 30 minutes ( injury considered) does not make for a good game.

 

[asuwish]

Carrington was carrying the offense under great pressure. She was called for charging at 9:04 & 7:24 that I saw. With 5 seconds left, she turned to her right, & elevated right into the upraised arms of 2 UConn players. I just viewed it again, & it was her movement into the UConn players that determined the contact. It has become the living symbol of the anti-UConn crowd. It was the pattern of behavior of Carrington in this game, to charge the opposition; to take control of the offense - but she would not pass the ball to teammates waiting for the ball. When Paige was lying on the floor with a Baylor player lying on top of her, Geno asked the official what happened. The official said "I don't know". If it had been a cleaner game, it would have meant a greater margin of victory for UConn.

One thing that has happened in basketball is you here all the time a player jumped into the the defender to draw contact. James Harden makes his living because of this. Geno has noted this. Unless the defender is in control and not moving toward the offensive player the offensive player gets the call very often. Just look at the sentence - the offensive player JUMPS into the defender to draw contact should tell you rules needed to adapt to this. Basketball, like football (breath on the quarterback and draw a penalty) want more scoring believing fans want offense. It's really not good for the sport but someone has to stand up in order for change to happen.

 

[MD#12Fan]

One thing that has happened in basketball is you here all the time a player jumped into the the defender to draw contact. James Harden makes his living because of this. Geno has noted this. Unless the defender is in control and not moving toward the offensive player the offensive player gets the call very often. Just look at the sentence - the offensive player JUMPS into the defender to draw contact should tell you rules needed to adapt to this. Basketball, like football (breath on the quarterback and draw a penalty) want more scoring believing fans want offense. It's really not good for the sport but someone has to stand up in order for change to happen.

I hear ya!
I want to put it a slightly different way. IMO a basketball move has integrity. There's much that goes into that: is the player "on-balance". either offense or defense. Ex. offensive player attacks the basket and trips and gets hit by the defender. The player being off-balance supersedes the contact unless the contact is deemed unnecessary by the defender. Play-on. I truly believe that the offensive player has to have a reasonable expectation of converting the play before there is a possibility of a foul situation. So, if the offensive player has a half-inch of space to attack and the defenders are holding their ground and there is contact with no reasonable chance of converting the play- Play-on. The defenders have to hold their ground with their arms up. Fouls called in these examples are called, "bail-out" calls. Using slang, the offensive player's got nothing so they do not deserve a foul call.
Reason #1 for any infraction is fairness between the players involved. Is there an unfair advantage by one or the other player. IMO there is a hierarchy of factors that comes into play before a foul is considered. 1) highest level- safety of the players 2) integrity of the basketball play- spirit of the game itself 3) unfair advantage by one player or the other- maybe verticality 4) contact
So, long story short: I did not feel the Baylor/Carrington play was a foul. If I was a player I would in no way expect to be rewarded for such a move with a foul and two shots. Reminds me of a college pickup game in which I out of frustration called a foul on a play like that and the guy defending me threw the ball at me. I had it coming and I actually remember the instance 40 years later. Shame on you LeBron and you too Carrington.