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Kembafan said:
By all accounts, Hurley did seriously consider the Lakers job and made his decision over the weekend. And he certainly used it as leverage too. Both can be true.

As to why he didn’t take the job? Yeah they low-balled, but it wasn’t a great situation IMO. The lakers are not a franchise on the rise in terms of talent and they don’t have much draft capital to rebuild. That’s not a good place for a new head coach. Hurley will be able to pick his spots better than that, so he can position himself for success. Don’t get all starry eyed just because it’s the lakers. Charlotte (I know, yikes!) might even be a better job right now.
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I don’t buy that the Lakers low-balled. I think they wanted him but truth is he has zero NBA experience, and top college coaches have at best modest success as NBA coaches. So it wasn’t as if they were trying to land a guy who was a guaranteed home run. They wanted him but not enough to overpay. And I don’t think for a minute he was their top choice. Not the owners and not LeBron’s. The Lakers are in win now mode because they know their 2 superstars are on the back ends of their careers. They need someone to step in who can win next year or the year after. Not in 5 years. It is a risk that Hurley will take a few years to adjust to the NBA just as he did to adjust to power level college basketball. Bottom line he would have been a public relations coup but an actual performance risk. That is how they determined. how much to pay.
 


Just listened what skip said is actually not that bad. In fact he’s pretty complimentary about Hurley and our program especially the last minute talks about Karaban and McNeeley. Keyshawn is incredibly salty about his Lakers.
 
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Whether Dan "merely" used this as leverage or not... It's bizarre for someone to be upset about it being said. Were you not here for the whole debacle? People were tossing it out as a possibility all throughout the thread here.
 
freescooter said:
I don’t buy that the Lakers low-balled. I think they wanted him but truth is he has zero NBA experience, and top college coaches have at best modest success as NBA coaches. So it wasn’t as if they were trying to land a guy who was a guaranteed home run. They wanted him but not enough to overpay. And I don’t think for a minute he was their top choice. Not the owners and not LeBron’s. The Lakers are in win now mode because they know their 2 superstars are on the back ends of their careers. They need someone to step in who can win next year or the year after. Not in 5 years. It is a risk that Hurley will take a few years to adjust to the NBA just as he did to adjust to power level college basketball. Bottom line he would have been a public relations coup but an actual performance risk. That is how they determined. how much to pay.
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You are talking out of both sides of your mouth. The Lakers are in win now mode and also offered lowered money b/c they feared the guy they made a medium-sized but not ridiculous offer & long-term commitment to could not win now?!
If/when the Lakers are in win now mode they will spend money on players, the +/- $4-5MM on a coach is a pittance in comparison to player salaries and not at all germane to whichever mode they are in.

UConn and Hurley are now both better off b/c this happened, more eyeballs = $ and cemented status as the IT national program. And this does not create more pressure than already existing with the 2 national titles and quest for a 3rd.
Now when they have to go for a 4th in a row that would be more pressure, so you better get us now ;)
 
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JohnFSilver said:
what doesn’t make sense is Hurley didn’t increase his leverage at all. He already had max leverage. He can name his price, UConn can do what it can do to get close to it.

I sincerely believe that UConn has no leverage anyway. Hurley gonna get what he wants.
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I disagree, of course Hurley's leverage increased when he is on a plane to LA., it looked like he was gone. At that point the school and the state had to be on pants on fire - scramble mode, pay him or lose him.

Do you think Lamont sends out a tweet saying we are prepared to make him the highest paid college basketball coach without this flirtation with the Lakers? I doubt it.

BTW well played by Hurley and his agent. He deserves to be the highest paid college basketball coach, he earned it, and I don't think his interest in the Lakers was fake, if the state didn't step up and do the right thing, he would probably be in LA right now.
 
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freescooter said:
I don’t buy that the Lakers low-balled. I think they wanted him but truth is he has zero NBA experience, and top college coaches have at best modest success as NBA coaches. So it wasn’t as if they were trying to land a guy who was a guaranteed home run. They wanted him but not enough to overpay.
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Of course they low-balled him. If they wanted him they needed to go big, he already had a high-paying job. This "not wanting to overpay" garbage is for losing franchises. Like The Pats and Red Sox.
 
freescooter said:
Funny thing is Hurley has created a ton of pressure for himself. I think this was one of those situations where both sides might have started out “using” the other to some extent. Hurley for contract leverage and the Lakers to justify hiring Reddick. It almost spun out of control but the Lakers came off looking like the keystone kops.

But now Hurley needs to have a career much closer to Coach K than to Donovan. The former won back to back championships then won 3 more and made multiple Final Fours. Donovan never won another title, made 1 final Four before leaving for a mediocre NBA career. If in 5 years Hurley has not gotten to at least another Final Four, all the folks kissing his feet now will be calling for his head then.
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Welcome back to the Hurley discussion Scoot, it's been a while since you added anything on this topic.

Before I forget, how is that list coming?
 
Dogdeacon said:
You are talking out of both sides of your mouth. The Lakers are in win now mode and also offered lowered money b/c they feared the guy they made a medium-sized but not ridiculous offer & long-term commitment to could not win now?!
If/when the Lakers are in win now mode they will spend money on players, the +/- $4-5MM on a coach is a pittance in comparison to player salaries and not at all germane to whichever mode they are in.

UConn and Hurley are now both better off b/c this happened, more eyeballs = $ and cemented status as the IT national program. And this does not create more pressure than already existing with the 2 national titles and quest for a 3rd.
Now when they have to go for a 4th in a row that would be more pressure, so you better get us now ;)
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I don’t disagree. I said in another place I think this was a deal neither side really wanted. Hurley was intrigued but for many reasons wasn’t looking to go. The Lakers wanted a splash but really want someone else, probably Reddick though he doesn’t inspire their fans. Neither side would have been happy if Hurley said yes, but once the ball started rolling it could have been a done deal. Sometimes these things take on a life of their own. Part of LA’s side to try and keep it under control was perfectly rational. For the reasons I outlined, Hurley was a pretty big risk. So they offered fair but not over the top compensation. And $12 million is more than $5 million. So they had a shot. Their risks if Hurley accepted were at least somewhat high. Few college cosches are successful. He had no NBA experience, Hurley might take time to adjust, which LA doesn’t have, He might flame out entirely. And so on. They made a rational offer. He made a rational decision not to take it. As I saw somewhere, the outcome was what both sides really wanted and both are better off as a result.
 
Hurley is in a great place in his life where all his hard work is paying dividends in so many ways. He is a rock star right now and I couldn't be happier for him. Haters gonna hate, but not me. Ever. This guy took a program that had really fallen off a cliff and won National Championships in years 5 and 6 in an unprecedented, dominant fashion in the modern era.

We are beyond fortunate to have Dan Hurley as the leader of Husky Nation. He will continue to do great things, he is that driven and hard working, and being surrounded by his father, Jim Calhoun, and Geno Auriemma certainly us a huge plus. This guy is as good as it gets.

I'm sure eventually the challenge of winning an NBA title will lure him away. I'd love to see him do it. I will cheer for him every minute.
 
I absolutely believe he used the Lakers as leverage, but not with the University. I think he is setting the market for The Knicks or whatever Eastern team he is actually interested in in the next year or two, not just money-wise but team control-wise as well.
 
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skip is a tool, AND I think there's credence to the claim he used it for leverage. Good on coach. i'm sure his agent was pissed he didn't leverage the UK thing at all. This was much better orchestrated hoopla.
 
Sailor111 said:
Skip is on TV now telling everyone that this whole Lakers Offer Fiasco is actually a plot by Dan Hurley to
leverage his contract negotiations with the University. Who knew? Does Skippy understand that Dan
would not even get on a plane to Kentucky earlier during their ask? The conspiracy thing is a figment
of his pea brain. Dan has more integrity in his pinky than Skippy ever had. He did his due diligence
and made the trip out west and was low-balled pure and simple. He is now being classy in his
response to the Lakers and Skippy is trying his best to cast him as a greedy villain. What a Tool!
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There's so many weird things about Skip Bayless but none of what he said here is weird at all, it's actually pretty spot on.

You want weird...Skip orders enough chicken, broccoli, and brown rice from a Chinese restaurant at the beginning of the week and eats that for every meal every day for the week every week. He's been doing this for around 15 years straight. It's especially weird considering his brother is one of the most renowned Mexican food chefs.

He also says he hasn't missed a weightlifting or cardio workout since the early 80's.
 
Dan Hurley already had leverage after Kentucky. He didn't need L.A. for leverage.
 
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UCTitleTown said:
Dan Hurley already had leverage after Kentucky. He didn't need L.A. for leverage.
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not really. he all but said he wasn't interested in the natty presser. He screwed the pooch on using it as leverage since everyone knew he wasn't serious. That's what made this brilliant from his perspective. His agent worth every penny for how this LA thing was managed.
 
uh-no said:
not really. he all but said he wasn't interested in the natty presser. He screwed the pooch on using it as leverage since everyone knew he wasn't serious. That's what made this brilliant from his perspective. His agent worth every penny for how this LA thing was managed.
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Kentucky deal put UConn on notice that other programs would come after him. It didn't matter if he was interested.
 
superjohn said:
There's so many weird things about Skip Bayless but none of what he said here is weird at all, it's actually pretty spot on.

You want weird...Skip orders enough chicken, broccoli, and brown rice from a Chinese restaurant at the beginning of the week and eats that for every meal every day for the week every week. He's been doing this for around 15 years straight. It's especially weird considering his brother is one of the most renowned Mexican food chefs.

He also says he hasn't missed a weightlifting or cardio workout since the early 80's.
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It appears that the better part of the Bayless gene pool drifted towards Rick.
 
Was listening to the Bill Simmons pod this morning and he thinks the whole ordeal was orchestrated on both sides lol. The college bball writers are in their own world/bubble but I don't think the national media is buying this whole thing.
 
But Skip is best friends with you know who. Shouldn't that count for something.
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Sailor111 said:
Skip is on TV now telling everyone that this whole Lakers Offer Fiasco is actually a plot by Dan Hurley to
leverage his contract negotiations with the University. Who knew? Does Skippy understand that Dan
would not even get on a plane to Kentucky earlier during their ask? The conspiracy thing is a figment
of his pea brain. Dan has more integrity in his pinky than Skippy ever had. He did his due diligence
and made the trip out west and was low-balled pure and simple. He is now being classy in his
response to the Lakers and Skippy is trying his best to cast him as a greedy villain. What a Tool!
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Helpful disclaimer for Bayless, Cowherd, Stephen A, et al. When they are successful in getting you worked up, you watch/click, the cash register goes ka-ching, and their existence is validated in the eyes of their employers. They all need to disappear and stop decreasing everyone’s collective IQ.
 
freescooter said:
I don’t disagree. I said in another place I think this was a deal neither side really wanted. Hurley was intrigued but for many reasons wasn’t looking to go. The Lakers wanted a splash but really want someone else, probably Reddick though he doesn’t inspire their fans. Neither side would have been happy if Hurley said yes, but once the ball started rolling it could have been a done deal. Sometimes these things take on a life of their own. Part of LA’s side to try and keep it under control was perfectly rational. For the reasons I outlined, Hurley was a pretty big risk. So they offered fair but not over the top compensation. And $12 million is more than $5 million. So they had a shot. Their risks if Hurley accepted were at least somewhat high. Few college cosches are successful. He had no NBA experience, Hurley might take time to adjust, which LA doesn’t have, He might flame out entirely. And so on. They made a rational offer. He made a rational decision not to take it. As I saw somewhere, the outcome was what both sides really wanted and both are better off as a result.
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I’m just not cynical enough to believe someone can make an offer especially for that many years and that much money with neither the desire nor intention that it will be accepted. And I don’t think people can waste time and resources like that.
But it is possible that there never was an offer and the fly him out + Woj bombs were a dog and pony show benefitting Hurleys future contract $ and giving the Lakers news coverage + leverage with JJ Reddick or others.
 
Waquoit said:
Skip's time was officially up when Shannon bailed on him. He's in the "will drop pants for food" stage of his career.
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He's 72 years old and he was paid $8 million this year. He doesn't have to drop his pants for his chicken and broccoli.
 
superjohn said:
He's 72 years old and he was paid $8 million this year. He doesn't have to drop his pants for his chicken and broccoli.
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It's was a metaphor for his being washed up and desperate for attention with a Krusty the Klown reference. Not an actual comment on his salary.
 
superjohn said:
He also says he hasn't missed a weightlifting or cardio workout since the early 80's.
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I used to see that bozo jogging around my neighborhood all the time. I give him lots of credit for maintaining his fitness regimen but I can also remember him telling professional athletes that he'd dust them in a race and I can tell you that unless he was talking about bowlers that is 100% untrue. The guy looked like the bionic man with all the braces holding his body together.
 
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