Sio Moore Combine

[Jimmy Serrano]

Lol wtf are the quotations around "star" for? Notre Dame had a fantastic defense this year with a lot of great talent. Te'o was overhyped but is still a great linebacker. It's not all about measurables ya know.

Te'o was the 3rd or 4th best defensive player on ND last year.

 

[WhereistheDove?]

I'll take on-field production and what's on the tape over 40 times all day long. Brandon Spikes ran a 5.06 40 at the Combine and he's been an absolute terror when healthy. Te'o still moved really well in space and will be a very productive MLB in the NFL.

Did you see him against Alabama. There were questions about his athleticism as it translates to the NFL game for quite some time. Those were incredibly magnified when they actually had to play a great team this year and then the combine has backed it up. I see him as a decent starter in a specific system, but he's going to need a strong d-line in front of him and not be asked to do too much in coverage. Preferably he comes into a system where he's only asked to be a 2-down MLB. I just don't see that as first round worthy.

 

[Ronpatz11]

I have nothing against Te'o but I see him as nothing more than an overhyped backup at best. Alabama (with the most NFL like O-Line) completely neutered him--when the big lights were on. As a GM I'd take Sio Moore over him any day. We'll soon find out.

The Alabama big uglies dominated a ND DL used to getting a huge push and controlling the line of scrimmage. As a result, Te'o wasn't granted the freedom that MLB's love of big lanes to crash and blow up plays. If you actually watched the game, you saw that Te'o's real issues in that game wasn't the Alabama OL, but rather his inability to finish tackles and his indecisiveness, which is usually a strength for him. He dropped 10-15 pounds this past season to get more fluid in pass coverage and that paid off. Looks like he'll need to get back up to the 250 range in the NFL to be able to take on the bigger backs in the league.

I think he was overhyped when pundits talked about him as a top 10 player, but I think there is value from 15-30 still. We'll see.

 

[uconnfan68]

The reason measurables are so important is it shows how well a player will translate their game to the NFL. A linebacker who is a little taller and has slightly longer arms is probably going to be able to add a little more bulk to his frame, create better separation from potential blockers, make interceptions/ passed defenses easier, and make tackles easier. Broad jump shows first step explosion when rushing the passer, cone drill change of direction etc. When .05 of second is the difference between tipping a pass or not, or getting a hand on the quarter back before he hrows it than it's pretty obvious a .2 seconds difference on a 40 or 6" on a broad jump is extremely important. The people who down play measurables usually point to a few exceptions to the rule. However, if you look at two guys who both had great production in college and have almost the same height and weight, than the guy with greater combine numbers is going to have the potential to be a better NFL player almost 100% of the time (obviously injuries and character issues aside). The comparisons to discredit combine results are usually comparing a guy who didn't produce much in college and had a great combine to a guy who produced a ton in college and had a slightly worse combine.

Have to disagree with some of this. Yes, measurables are great, but game IQ is most important, and it isn't in the measurables.

 

[WhereistheDove?]

Have to disagree with some of this. Yes, measurables are great, but game IQ is most important, and it isn't in the measurables.

Very few players can be true impact players without the athleticism. No matter how high your football IQ is, that can only take you so far.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

Very few players can be true impact players without the athleticism. No matter how high your football IQ is, that can only take you so far.

Agree with this. Jerry Rice is the exception. Tim Tebow is the rule.

 

[Jax Husky]

If they did the drill where other players tip the ball directly into Teo's arms for an Int., I bet he killed it.

 

[Ronpatz11]

Agree with this. Jerry Rice is the exception. Tim Tebow is the rule.

Don't think Tebow, or the QB position in general, is the right comparison.

Teblow's issues aren't due to him not possessing great athleticism (he does). He simply isn't a QB and can't throw or make great decisions in the pocket. You don't need freakish athleticism at QB. You need a player with great instincts and near-perfect decision making ability. Tom Brady sure doesn't have it the athleticism we are talking about in this thread, nor does Peyton Manning. They do have amazing instincts and decision-making ability.

 

[Nostical]

He dropped 10-15 pounds this past season to get more fluid in pass coverage and that paid off. Looks like he'll need to get back up to the 250 range in the NFL to be able to take on the bigger backs in the league

Ron, the dilemma he faces is that the more weight he packs on the (even) slower he becomes.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

Don't think Tebow, or the QB position in general, is the right comparison.

Teblow's issues aren't due to him not possessing great athleticism (he does). He simply isn't a QB and can't throw or make great decisions in the pocket. You don't need freakish athleticism at QB. You need a player with great instincts and near-perfect decision making ability. Tom Brady sure doesn't have it the athleticism we are talking about in this thread, nor does Peyton Manning. They do have amazing instincts and decision-making ability.

Was Tebow taken in the 1st round based off his football abilities or his hype?

 

[sdhusky]

Agree with this. Jerry Rice is the exception. Tim Tebow is the rule.

I really doubt that Jerry Rice time.

I bet there was something else happening like a slip or a mistime or injury not disclosed. I watched a lot of Jerry Rice and he always looked super fast.

 

[BlueMAB]

I always thought Jerry Rice was one of those guys who was as fast as he needed to be. Put him by himself on a track and he was fast, but others would probably get better times. Give him the ball with 11 men chasing him and he's the fastest guy on the field.

That said, it's definitely possible there was an injury or something else going on.

 

[huskymedic]

I foresee Te'o dropping significantly. As a measure, last year there were no LB's drafted in the first 3 Rounds with a 40 time over 4.71. At 4.82, and with coaches visibly shaking their heads "no" as they watched him run, in my view there is no way he goes in 1st round--maybe not even in the 2nd. Kiper and McShay are either risking their credibility with a 1st Round prediction, will soon announce a deep drop in their prediction, or I'm missing something in what I'm looking at.

MM is a tool but:

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Any team that wastes a 1st round pick on Manti Teo should fire their GM on draft day

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Hes a mid to late 2nd at best

 

[Huskyfan990411]

T'eo is beyond overrated. He was a great college player but he is slow and we all saw what happened when they went up against a legit OL. He cant make plays unless the DL completely man handles the OL in front of him. Well that's not happening in the NFL.

Plus majority of those INTs he had this year were either blatanly thrown right to him or it was a tipped ball. I can't think of a time he fought off a block to make a play.

 

[Sportsman5]

Have to disagree with some of this. Yes, measurables are great, but game IQ is most important, and it isn't in the measurables.

Game IQ is great, but if you are not big and fast enough to make a play, than it does you no good. Game IQ and work ethic can make you successful up to the college level. The NFL is an entirely different animal. Which points do you disagree with?

 

[uconndogs]

I've been saying all last season that Sio and Yawin were taking over big parts of games. Yawin may very well be the best LB to go through the program by the time he is done. The kid from BC, Luke K., is about as good as I've ever seen. None of these guys ever got the attention and hype that MT got and all may very well be better NFL LBs than he is imho.

 

[Husky68]

Kuechly @ about 4.5 40 and 38 verticle was impact player to draft. Teo just isn't. Could Teo be a Harry Carson, maybe, but so could Sio. Don't think either is 1st round guy. Sio is closer to Kuechly's time in 40 than Teo is to Sio. At some point in time you can't get there fast enough no matter what your instincts. Not sure how Teo got 7 interceptions last year based on how stiff he looked running the shuttle. He is an example on "non swivel hips".

 

[huskysupporter]

I'll take on-field production and what's on the tape over 40 times all day long. Brandon Spikes ran a 5.06 40 at the Combine and he's been an absolute terror when healthy. Te'o still moved really well in space and will be a very productive MLB in the NFL.

I completely disagree on Spikes. Very overrated at Florida.

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[upstater]

I completely disagree on Spikes. Very overrated at Florida.

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Several teams had him rated as a 1st round pick based on his play at Florida. The Patriots weren't even looking for a MLB since they were set there but they jumped on value in the second round. He has played pretty well in the NFL.

 

[Sportsman5]

Spikes is basically a DL playing off the line of scrimmage on some plays. He can't cover anyone fast, but is great at stopping the run. Saying spikes is slow, but is a really productive linebacker in the NFL is not exactly true. He's a specialist that can be effective at eating up blockers and making plays on runs up the middle. He is definitely not a 3 down player that can be effective against both the run and pass. I'm a patriots fan and like having him on the team, but he is definitely not the type of player you want to take in the first, and in most cases the 2nd round. a similar player would be a really good 3rd or 4th round pick if he's playing with a good group of linebackers. I think Teo will be a similar linebacker in the NFL that is a little worse against the run, but a little better in coverage. If a team takes him in the first round, than I feel bad for their fans. I think Sio is more of a wild card. If he turned out to be a pro bowl player 3 years from now, than I don't think anyone would be shocked. If he's not quite good enough to stay in the league past his initial contract, than I don't think that would be crazy either.

 

[noeynox]

Several teams had him rated as a 1st round pick based on his play at Florida. The Patriots weren't even looking for a MLB since they were set there but they jumped on value in the second round. He has played pretty well in the NFL.

He really is exposed sometimes when the,rb takes it to the,outside.

He is physical down hill run defender but he is slowwww on some of the perimeter stuff. Mayo on,the,other hand is underrated.

 

[mattp]

from NFL.com:
NFL Network's Mike Mayock said UConn linebacker Sio Moore leveraged a strong East-West Shrine Game and Senior Bowl into a great combine. Moore is moving up draft boards and looks like a second-round pick.

 

[upstater]

You're underselling Spikes. The guy simply disrupts opposing offenses. Lots of impact players come out on 3rd down or passing downs, like Vince Wilfork. He's not playing DL either. He is strictly MLB.

 

[Sportsman5]

You're underselling Spikes. The guy simply disrupts opposing offenses. Lots of impact players come out on 3rd down or passing downs, like Vince Wilfork. He's not playing DL either. He is strictly MLB.

Vince plays a lot on 3rd down. Spikes did line up some at DE. Spikes is not the type of player you want in rounds 1 or 2. you want an all around player that is a major difference maker on your team. the type of player that has a physical matchup advantage with most people he is put up against. Obviously the top of rounds 1 and 2 are going to yield better opportunities to pick up an impact player than the bottom of the rounds.

 

[YearoftheHusky]

Didn't I click on the Sio Moore thread?