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I saw this in the article. I'm not a lawyer but if this is the argument are they asking that student athletes can stay in school forever and play?

"We have filed a lawsuit on behalf of Tennessee basketball standout Zakai Zeigler to allow him to play college basketball in the 2025-26 season," Andy Cofer, an attorney with Garza Law Firm, wrote in a statement to CBS Sports on Wednesday. "The lawsuit alleges that the NCAA's rule permitting only four seasons of competition within the five-year eligibility window is an unlawful restraint of trade under federal and state antitrust laws."
Yeah, this is nonsense. There are multiple pro options available, so massive competition and the NCAA doesn't have market power at all as currently situated.

No, a 5th year is a bad idea. Allowing international pros is also a bad idea. But then much of what has happened the last ten years was a bad idea, like unlimited transfers and no waiting period.
 
You're not understanding Ziegler's argument. The crux of his argument is that him playing 4 years and graduating is depriving him of the 5th year of graduate school and NIL money that comes with that.

If he had not worked as hard, taken less classes, and not graduated he'd still be able to enroll at Tennessee next year as a graduate student on scholarship. If him and Tennessee had decided had decided to hold him out and not play like other schools, he'd be able to do the same thing. That's the standpoint he's approaching it from as arbitrary
But there's no situation where he can play at an NCAA institution for 5 years. He could redshirt if he and the school want, and get 5 years of school. That's a choice. If he was a crappy student and didn't graduate, he wouldn't get a 5th year. Do we not remember our own school getting dinged because guys didn't graduate in 4 years?
 
Except it's not that simple, the NCAA just passed a ruling where anyone who played a year of JUCO now gets 5 years of eligibility. That's the basis of Zeigler's argument, which he'll probably still lose. But it is not straightforward, and it is definitely arbitrary
True - that is for non-NCAA (e.g., JUCO) year and still conforms to the 5 year rule.

This is not about Ziegler as he never played JUCO. He wants 5 years of play, while the NCAA is pretty straightforward: 4 years of play at NCAA schools within a 5 year period (conforms to redshirt and this JUCO exception)

The JUCO rule was due to Pavia so they did a blanket one year thing if JUCO was your first year. His college got an injunction so Pavia did play that year and the NCAA just didn't want to get more of those. It's a one year thing as it's if they expired their NCAA eligibility 2024-2025.
 
Yeah, the perceived inconsistencies with granting a 5th year of eligibility is frustrating. I'm not sure what to think about granting student athletes who we're fully eligible for 4 seasons. On the other hand there are some that got very little playing time during their first season or two, where why not let them have their 5th year? On the other hand, those players are taking up valuable playing and developmental time at the expense of players in their first to through 4th year of eligibility.

The one thing that I do like about it is it does give a chance for some 5th year players to further develop and improve their chances of making an NBA team while helping a college program. Granted there's the G League that can give some of these type of players an opportunity to get valuable developmental playing time, but the majority of them won't get that opportunity and either extend their career playing overseas or experience the end of their basketball road.

Not sure there's really a clear definitive answer to this. There are pros and cons to allowing a 5th year or not.
There are zero pros.. what you list is nonsense. The purpose of college sports still is not to prepare people for the NBA or if it is, it is a failure on a cosmic level since only about 1.2% of college players end up in the NBA. People need to accept that their basketball playing days will end and most need to accept that will be sooner rather than later. Plus, with the portal there is absolutely no reason why a player shouldn’t be able to find a spot that matches his talent. I have no problem with a guy redshirting. Maybe even a limited playing time redshirt as football has. Maybe you appear in 5 games and still get to keep the year. But if you don’t play in even that many you are likely hitting the portal anyway. Plus once you decide not to limit players to a number of years you have completely transitioned to a professional program. Because as others have said, why stop at 5? The same logic would apply to 6,7, 15 wouldn’t it? This kid is mad that he needs to move on, and won’t get what is effectively a salary. I guess you could argue it sucks being him but that’s what happens when the rules change. I mean imagine how many points Pistol Pete would have had with the 3 point rule. Rules changed.
 
4 years is arbitrary when someone can be in college for longer than 4 years. It's a college basketball league. Why is someone not eligible as long as they are in college? Plenty of majors and programs are longer than 4 years.
Even if that is the case, and I don’t agree it is, it isn’t applicable in this case. He will be a grad student. Not a case of being in a 6 year program. And what about a guy like Alex who graduated in 3? Based on your argument he should be done.
 
Even if that is the case, and I don’t agree it is, it isn’t applicable in this case. He will be a grad student. Not a case of being in a 6 year program. And what about a guy like Alex who graduated in 3? Based on your argument he should be done.
Grad students can write for the Daily Campus for the entire time they're on campus. Why shouldn't basketball players?
 
Grad students can write for the Daily Campus for the entire time they're on campus. Why shouldn't basketball players?
Oh please stop. Basketball players get too many special privileges to list. It isn’t and never has been comparable to what normal students, most of whom, you know, pay for their education, get. And nobody recruits writers for the daily campus. I doubt they get NIL or revenue sharing. Accept that basketball players aren’t normal students.
 
Zeigler, and others in similar situations, should not receive another year of eligibility.

Many have mentioned arguments for 5th year players ranging from redshirt freshman all the way to those attempting doctorates.

Those arguing that redshirting and injury ought to guarantee “5th year eligibility” both understand that the player is still only playing 4 years of basketball. One being intentional and the other unintentional. In both of those scenarios though, the player is getting their 4th year of play, during their 5th year in college. Those players are still in college, to play basketball. That’s why they are still enrolled.

NIL has turned players into employees. On the surface, that is a fact. Calling them student athletes, is solely because they still enroll at the school. NIL isn’t for the guy playing in the Horizon League. It’s to benefit the guys playing power conference teams, with power conference profits. That they should get their fair share.

Zeigler arguing that he needs to play 5 years for a graduate degree is very different than players asking to play 4 years over a 5 year span. His argument that “hey I’m still in school, let me play” is disingenuous. He wants the check. Better to try and get that money this year than have to attempt the pros and most likely have to play overseas.

College is changing significantly with NIL. And that has created some exciting changes and some not so exciting changes. But there needs to be something that the schools can retain, so we can keep calling this college basketball. Keeping 4 years on the court keeps the age of players similar. Keeps the playing field more even. We don’t need players masquerading as doctors, on the court making millions, at an age so disparate to the competition that it becomes unfair.

Everyone gets 4 years to play. That is fair. Zeigler doesn’t deserve more.
 
4 years isn’t arbitrary it’s the normal amount of time if should take a student to graduate. Would rather grant a second red shirt year than auto five.

If collectives are willing to pay a guy to sit out 2/6 years then good enjoy the NIt.
 
Only 49% of students graduate within 4 years. 20 years ago, only about 38% did. This is so common that schools rate themselves on 6 year graduation rates, not 4.




I'm fine with 5 years of playing if it is applied to everyone, no more redshirts / Juco loopholes, but spare me with the you should graduate college in 4 years BS.
 
Oh please stop. Basketball players get too many special privileges to list. It isn’t and never has been comparable to what normal students, most of whom, you know, pay for their education, get. And nobody recruits writers for the daily campus. I doubt they get NIL or revenue sharing. Accept that basketball players aren’t normal students.
Why does special privileges mean they should have to give up on playing college basketball despite still attending school? What parts of that changes why they should have defined eligibility instead of just throughout their college career?
 
I’d vote for everyone gets 5 years, but no more injury or redshirt waivers. Maybe only award the 5th year to players that graduate as an incentive to take school seriously.
It would be interesting to see a national report on the types of degrees being awarded to players in basketball and football. How many of the players earn a meaningful degree that leads to a well paying and interesting job after their playing careers? Sure, a few don't need to work, but then there's the journeymen and the Antoine Walkers of the world.

The whole idea of student athletes has become a joke. Charlie, the fraudster, Baker is being paid millions and won't make a decision because he was a politician before he was given the NCAA job. He's openly denying he has any power or ability to make positive changes and keeps harping on his mantra that Congress needs to act.

The NCAA got to where it is today due to the failed leadership of Mark Emmert and Baker is proudly carrying on his legacy of doing nothing, running out the clock on issues and hoping there are enough people who want to preserve college athletics that he'll skate by.
 
Why does special privileges mean they should have to give up on playing college basketball despite still attending school? What parts of that changes why they should have defined eligibility instead of just throughout their college career?
So they can play in college for 20 years Because you can be a student as long as you want if you can afford it, and that’s not an issue if the school is paying you.
 
Allowing someone to play five years because they didn’t graduate in 4 discriminates against a student who graduated in 4 years . They’re being rewarded for being a less than stellar student .
 
Grad students can write for the Daily Campus for the entire time they're on campus. Why shouldn't basketball players?
Aren't basketball players allowed to write for the daily campus?
 
I like it because it would likely benefit UConn. The teams at the top of the sport would benefit the most. We did very well with players getting their 5th covid year. I don't see a downside. I also hate seeing guys at the end of the bench losing a redshirt because they played garbage time minutes.
 
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College is structured to mirror High School - Freshman, Sophomore, Junior, Senior.

5th year is valid for red shirt reasons and now for 1st year as JUCO (read as non-NCAA schools).

Appalling to watch athletes want to play 5, 6 years just because they want to and want to sue for this right. But it's not a right. Else everyone would get to play college sports. It's an honor and privilege to play for your College/University. But then you need to grow up - face realities like the need to work and support your family.

If you are not capable of making money in sports professionally - maybe it's time to realize that your degree better be in a field you want to work in.
 
A fifth year is a great idea.
  • Allows more kids to earn more money via NIL instead of a race to the league.
  • Increases the level of play in college.
  • Increases the chance that players who make the jump to the pros are more ready.
  • Allows kids to have a little more academic flexibility.
I think it would also help small and mid-major schools. If you get a high-performing freshman in the door now, they're almost always gone after one season. But if that kid has five years to use he's more likely to stick around for Year 2 and really grow as the focal point of the team before entering the portal in search of a bigger platform.

It's just such an obvious win – a way for college athletics to gain relevance after decades of slowly losing relevance – and not just in hoops. Look at what the baseball team's done over the past few years with super-seniors, or how important 5th and 6th-year QBs have become to programs like ours.

I've yet to see a single compelling argument against it, and no, "it's always been that way" is not compelling.
 
Lpl

This must have been a terrible case if the NCAA won!
Based on my reading of the denial, someone challenging this now that revenue sharing is a thing may have had a different result (or a better chance at least).
 
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