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Sounds like Swoopes needs a head check, so to speak. Can't push players over the line. I agree - she needs someone like CD who the players can get with for personal issues, and also to act as a buffer or to help players acclimate with the high demands Swoopes places on them. But it also sounds like Sheryl, unlike Geno, does NOT know which buttons to push, and which ones not to. I know Geno pushes the players, and sometimes to tears, BUT the players he pushes are the top recruits who have told him they WANT to be great and they WANT to be pushed. There's a difference between driving Stewie or Moriah or Maya or Tina or KML or KLS and pushing a player like Saniya or Courtney.

Swoopes has a tendency to “cross the line” when dealing with members of the program in regards to their performances and personal lives, according to a source close to the team who chose to remain anonymous.

She really pushes them to the point of misery and to the point where they shut down,” said the source. “A lot of them feel very trapped about who they can talk to in the Athletic Department because regardless of who they choose, it usually gets back to Sheryl … And I think when it gets to that point … there is no outlet.”


The source also said Swoopes manages the players’ social lives outside of basketball. Last season, first-year player Courtney Williams decided not to return to Loyola due to off-court problems with Swoopes.


“It was a lot of stuff off the court that [Swoopes] made difficult, but as far as her coaching style, it wasn’t really a factor,” Williams told The PHOENIX last April. “It was a lot of stuff that was unrelated to basketball
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Even attempting to control a players "social life outside of basketball" is wrong by any measure. No disrespect intended to the Loyola program but what will be achieved for the program, individual, or school by pushing players beyond the limit. Sadly this sounds like Sheryl is trying to aspire to higher level program and the kids are getting trampled in the process.
 

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Even attempting to control a players "social life outside of basketball" is wrong by any measure. No disrespect intended to the Loyola program but what will be achieved for the program, individual, or school by pushing players beyond the limit. Sadly this sounds like Sheryl is trying to aspire to higher level program and the kids are getting trampled in the process.


Not sure exactly what they were referring to, but UCONN does a bit of this. It's more about how it's done, the expectations going in, and the girls you recruit and work with.
 

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Not sure exactly what they were referring to, but UCONN does a bit of this. It's more about how it's done, the expectations going in, and the girls you recruit and work with.
I'm not sure what "the bit of this that UCONN does". Control social lives outside of basketball ?- Never heard of such related to UCONN. UCONN push players beyond their limit? -absolutely but that is part of the contract of being a UCONN player.
 

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Not sure exactly what they were referring to, but UCONN does a bit of this. It's more about how it's done, the expectations going in, and the girls you recruit and work with.

UConn may in fact do this to a certain extent, but his application and approach is much different. Geno has perfected a program that many coaches wish to emulate.
1. Geno is not directly enforcing his rules & regulations. CD does that. She also acts as the "buffer" if/when conflicts arise. She (or one of the other coaches) usually can counsel a player (to everyone's satisfaction) if a conflict arises.

Before they agree to come to UConn, potential recruits already know what Geno's "marching orders" are. Either the assistant coaches tell them, or the players do (in detail) when they come on campus for their official/unofficial visit. Also remember that Geno's current set of "house rules" are a compilation of rules that have worked best for the team and the student athlete for 31 years. Example: Geno did not have a "no twitter "rule during the season 20 years ago, because twitter did not exist back then. Most of his rules and mandates changed and evolved with the times. CD has no doubt been Geno's sounding board, and had bounced ideas off of her to get a second opinion. They've been together long enough for her to know exactly what he thinks, and how he thinks. There are exceptions, i.e. no tattoos, no tee shirts under the jersey during a game, no purple hair (Dolson). :eek:

2. During his long tenure, Geno has found a happy medium. Swoopes is a relative newbie at being a head coach, and is still looking for hers. Swoopes was an assistant girls basketball coach at Mercer Island High School in 2010 and most recently served as a television analyst for Texas Tech women's basketball games during the 2012-13 season. Swoopes was named to her current position on April 12, 2013. Swoopes, who is regarded as one of the greatest female athletes of all time, is in her third season as head women's basketball coach at Loyola University Chicago.

She does not have a vast amount of experience to draw upon yet. It sounds like (as HGN mentioned) she does not have a CD on her staff that could manage/resolve these internal challenges. Geno also knows where the line is that should not be crossed. Swoopes obviously has not learned that yet (based on the article). There's nothing wrong with wanting to come into a program and wanting to change the culture, but there is a right way, and a wrong way to do it. You also must have players that will buy into your proposed changes. CD has the standing/cachet to pull Geno aside if she feels it necessary to do so. Not sure if Swoopes has someone with that same stature on her staff.

It's obvious that what she's doing, its not working. Mass defections are a "red flag" and a sure sign that there is discord within the program. If the AD can't convince her to adjust her demeanor and approach, then the AD may have no other choice than to relieve her, and find a suitable replacement. Its a good bet that this is not what the AD had in mind when Swoopes was hired.

A player can be completely honest with the AD and other administrators during their exit interviews. They don't have anything to lose. They can be totally forthright and honest. If a coach appears/perceived to be too toxic for the good of the program, then the AD must step in and correct the situation like AD Pat Haden did with head football coach Steve Sarkisian at USC last year. Its not suggested that the tail be allowed to wag the dog, but a conducive and mutual (respect) relationship between coach and player is a must.
 
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A lot of times the great BB players do not make the best coaches. They demand as much out of players as they did of themselves. Which only the greats are ready and able to give.
It is one of the concerns with Shea as a head coach for me - her intensity might be overpowering and she will need to find the 'contrast' in one of the assistants she hires. I like what CD said about how the whole coaching staff works together so that at no time does a player only get negative in-put - she was speaking about specifically Geno and herself, but also mentioned they try to counterbalance either of the assistance as well when one of them is riding a player hard.
It gets to making sure a player never feels 'the whole is against me' sort of thing.
 

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This is the reason some do not come to UConn... they want that social life, then they're not as dedicated to basketball. The reason they're at the school
 

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It is one of the concerns with Shea as a head coach for me - her intensity might be overpowering and she will need to find the 'contrast' in one of the assistants she hires. I like what CD said about how the whole coaching staff works together so that at no time does a player only get negative in-put - she was speaking about specifically Geno and herself, but also mentioned they try to counterbalance either of the assistance as well when one of them is riding a player hard.
It gets to making sure a player never feels 'the whole is against me' sort of thing.
Shea is understanding that right now, with the best teacher in the game... CD.
Swoopes may not have gotten that type of teaching. Shea doesn't get enough credit but ask Geno... better yet, ask Moriah!
 

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1. Geno is not directly enforcing his rules & regulations. CD does that. She also acts as the "buffer" if/when conflicts arise. She (or one of the other coaches) usually can counsel a player (to everyone's satisfaction) if a conflict arises. Before they agree to come to UConn, potential recruits already know what Geno's "marching orders" are. Either the assistant coaches tell them, or the players do (in detail) when they come on campus for their official/unofficial visit. Also remember that Geno's current set of "house rules" are a compilation of rules that have worked best for the team and the student athlete for 31 years. CD has no doubt been Geno's sounding board, and had bounced ideas off of her to get a second opinion. They've been together long enough for her to know exactly what he thinks, and how he thinks. There are exceptions, i.e. no tattoos, no tee shirts under the jersey during a game, no purple hair (Dolson).

Just to note, a lot of the 'house rules' actually come directly from CD. She cares more than he does RE that kind of thing.
 

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I'm not sure what "the bit of this that UCONN does". Control social lives outside of basketball ?- Never heard of such related to UCONN. UCONN push players beyond their limit? -absolutely but that is part of the contract of being a UCONN player.

See the rest of the thread. There's others as well: how the kids carry themselves in public, how they should treat fans, etc etc
 

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See the rest of the thread. There's others as well: how the kids carry themselves in public, how they should treat fans, etc etc
That sort of thing isn't unusual. Even the players you would least expect that played for RU in the CViv era were extremely polite, respectful and accommodating to fans. Matching "team" clothing when traveling or appearing as a team. I'm sure there are individuals on some teams that may not behave to UConn's standards, but I think UConn fans tend to undervalue the standards of other teams.

What UConn has done with its off-court expectations of players has been both to create a "brand", to build teamwork, and to reinforce the expectations for behavior in practice and the court. All good things, but I'm not convinced some of the individual rules "really" have major significance.

While I'm ranting, Rutgers and UConn (among many programs) do not put names on player's jerseys. I have yet to see any evidence that players somehow play different because they do or do not have names on their jerseys. While I might recognize and know the starters, having names on the jerseys is really helpful when the subs are in.
 

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That sort of thing isn't unusual. Even the players you would least expect that played for RU in the CViv era were extremely polite, respectful and accommodating to fans. Matching "team" clothing when traveling or appearing as a team. I'm sure there are individuals on some teams that may not behave to UConn's standards, but I think UConn fans tend to undervalue the standards of other teams.

What UConn has done with its off-court expectations of players has been both to create a "brand", to build teamwork, and to reinforce the expectations for behavior in practice and the court. All good things, but I'm not convinced some of the individual rules "really" have major significance.

That may be, but I've yet to see another school have a full fledged program on how to be professional athletes. They go through stuff in how to handle the media properly, how to answer questions in the right way, etc. You just don't see it that much. Heck, you don't see it at most Men's programs either.
 

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That may be, but I've yet to see another school have a full fledged program on how to be professional athletes. They go through stuff in how to handle the media properly, how to answer questions in the right way, etc. You just don't see it that much. Heck, you don't see it at most Men's programs either.
do we really want "our girls" to act like professionals? :oops:
 

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do we really want "our girls" to act like professionals? :oops:
In some respects yes. To protect themselves as much as anything. They're 'not in Kansas anymore' pretty much as soon as they arrive on campus and a certain 'professionalism' in their approach to the media glare is a great skill for them to learn quickly.
Attendance at this week's event showed me how much pressure is involved away from the basketball court. :)
 
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