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Harper was an interesting choice as something obviously went awry at NC State and she wasn't necessarily the dominant program in the Valley despite helming one of its best traditional programs (she did very well, but no reg season titles).

I think Tennessee could easily re-emerge as an SEC contender, but like all of them Harper needs to start landing the dominant recruits. I was disappointed for them that they didn't land Key or MacPherson.
The Mcphersons and Key are not the recruits she needs to re-establish UT. Ryan Howard, Treasure Hunt, Madison Hayes, Crystal Dangerfield and keep the Massengills from transferring. Thats what needs to happen on old rocky top
 
To be fair Horston was a big recruit. So were Westbrook and Z. Greene but both are gone to other schools.

UT didn't seem to be consistently winning with highly rated players and maybe a few under the radar pieces could be helpful if complimented by some big time prospects. UT has a good looking 2021 class headed their way.
 
Hmmm...not sure Oregon's fan-base is larger than Tennessee or Miss States fan base
WCBB Social Media followers by school (thanks to @CamrnCrz1974 and @SkullSparks). OR #6, SC #3
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Hmmm...not sure Oregon's fan-base is larger than Tennessee or Miss States fan base

Might be counting all the tv eyes on the West Coast?

I can't find official 2019-2020

HOME ATTENDANCE 2018-2019
1.South Carolina17 176,904 10,406
2.Iowa St.20 191,462 9,573 (I love that fanbase)
3.Louisville17 162,021 9,531
4.UConn14 124,177 8,870
5.Mississippi St.17 143,578 8,446
6.Notre Dame17 143,382 8,434
7.Tennessee17 136,471 8,028
8.Oregon17 121,511 7,148

ALL GAMES: 2018-2019
1.UConn38 288,433 (The Roadies)
2.Notre Dame39 273,063
3.South Carolina33 254,887
4.Mississippi St.36 248,267
5.Iowa St.35 244,341
6.Louisville36 241,510
7.Oregon38 229,250
8.Baylor38 225,121
 
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At least Duck fans and MSU fans have something in common.

Neither went to the University of Oregon.
And at least Washington State and Oregon State athletics has something in common. Both athletic departments are about broke. And that was before COVID.
 
My sympathies are with those Mississippi fans and players who want no part of the Confederacy but are caught in cross fire.

SC has been there.

how GA gets away with their flag, I can't imagine.


It's overwhelming the number of people who want the flag changed. All of the major coaches from all 8 state supported universities were in Jackson today to lobby for changing the flag. Looks like it is going to get done. Just a matter of time now. Hope we don't pull a Georgia and replace the old flag with one that still has references to the Old South.
 
Wow -- South Carolina. Just wow! Raven Johnson now as well? The SEC is going to be ruled by South Carolina. UCONN needs Azzi. In the planet of WCBB for the future South Carolina is a complete beast. And on the West Coast - Stanford is a beast. Its possible South Carolina can have a bit of a struggle this year but after that -- forget about it. The SEC is done - every team in the SEC is living in South Carolina's world now- excluding "maybe" this year.
 
Wow -- South Carolina. Just wow! Raven Johnson now as well? The SEC is going to be ruled by South Carolina. UCONN needs Azzi. In the planet of WCBB for the future South Carolina is a complete beast. And on the West Coast - Stanford is a beast. Its possible South Carolina can have a bit of a struggle this year but after that -- forget about it. The SEC is done - every team in the SEC is living in South Carolina's world now- excluding "maybe" this year.
With three freshmen starters a year better and returning "solid" players who played coming off the bench with no drop off.....how are they not better this year than last. You have some very quality players on that bench in Henderson, Saxon, Grissett, Amihere, and Littleton a transfer who is eligible. That team won't have a drop off and could actually be better. Amihere was the No.1 recruit before her injury.....she has had another year to mend.....come on....
 
With three freshmen starters a year better and returning "solid" players who played coming off the bench with no drop off.....how are they not better this year than last. You have some very quality players on that bench in Henderson, Saxon, Grissett, Amihere, and Littleton a transfer who is eligible. That team won't have a drop off and could actually be better. Amihere was the No.1 recruit before her injury.....she has had another year to mend.....come on....
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It's possible a soph or 2 won't be better. OFC they probably will. I didn’t say SC wouldn't. I was just being cautious while declaring you are going to be a monster overall for years 2-5. This is what you want to pick me apart on? Really? With your rival also being so damn good too? You had 2 seniors taken with the 7th and 8th picks overall while your leading experienced player the jr only got 17 minutes. And who's to say any of your pg's will fill that pg role at high level? Harris was tremendous. Now you have two pg's in which the one with the most assist had a ratio of 1.5 - to- 1. You understand that that's not very good for an elite team, right? Unless you are suggesting passing for an elite team doesn't count much? And Harrigan was tremendous. SC will probably be a beasts of beasts this year in the SEC but your rival is damn good too, aren't they?. I just posted caution because after this year-- while you still might be tremendous this year-- next year and on you are going to be "sick."

As for Amihere. You and others are more experts than I. But why wasn't she better this past year? Last year was year 2 of her injury. The 2nd year back, she is 6'4 and she shoots 41% from 2? But on the flip side she shoots 53% from 3 which is good despite not taking that many. She rebounded well it seems but she's a disaster passing. Wouldn’t a very good pg help her a lot?

**************You are certain you're 2 pg's are going to be very, very good this year and Miss State who is projected to be 3rd in the country according to ESPN. THIRD IN THE COUNTRY. THIRD IN THE COUNTRY. Yet I'm supposed to say you are UNDOUBTEDLY going to rule the SEC this upcoming year? Seriously?:

I was just offering caution. You have a tough team to compete with. That's all. If I were to bet ofc your team will probably be terrific again. Is Miss State highly overrated? That I don't know.
 
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It's possible a soph or 2 won't be better. OFC they probably will. I didn’t say SC wouldn't. I was just being cautious while declaring you are going to be a monster overall for years 2-5. This is what you want to pick me apart on? Really? With your rival also being so damn good too? You had 2 seniors taken with the 7th and 8th picks overall while your leading experienced player the jr only got 17 minutes. And who's to say any of your pg's will fill that pg role at high level? Harris was tremendous. Now you have two pg's in which the one with the most assist had a ratio of 1.5 - to- 1. You understand that that's not very good for an elite team, right? Unless you are suggesting passing for an elite team doesn't count much? And Harrigan was tremendous. SC will probably be a beasts of beasts this year in the SEC but your rival is damn good hot too, aren't they?. I just posted caution because after this year-- while you still might be tremendous this year-- next year and on you are going to be "sick."

As for Amihere. You and others are more experts than I. But why wasn't she better this past year? Last year was year 2 of her injury. The 2nd year back, she is 6'4 and she shoots 41% from 2? But on the flip side she shoots 53% from 3 which is good despite not taking that many. She rebounded well it seems but she's a disaster passing. Wouldn’t a very good pg help her a lot?

**************You are certain you're 2 pg's are going to be very, very good this year and Miss State who is projected to be 3rd in the country according to ESPN. THIRD IN THE COUNTRY. THIRD IN THE COUNTRY. Yet I'm supposed to say you are UNDOUBTEDLY going to rule the SEC this upcoming year? Seriously?:

I was just offering caution. You have a tough team to compete with. That's all. If I were to bet ofc your team will probably be terrific again. Is Miss State highly overrated? That I don't know.

I got the point that you were trying to make. From a roster standpoint, 2020-2021 "could" potentially be the weakest of a group of very strong rosters, and that happens when you have turnover at point guard and losing a do it all forward like Herbert-Harrigan. That's nothing against Henderson, she's just taking another step this season and there "could" be growing pains. That doesn't mean it's a bad roster.. it just may not be as strong as 2019-2020 or 2021-2022. 2022-2023 will be a strong year for SC as well.
 
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With three freshmen starters a year better and returning "solid" players who played coming off the bench with no drop off.....how are they not better this year than last. You have some very quality players on that bench in Henderson, Saxon, Grissett, Amihere, and Littleton a transfer who is eligible. That team won't have a drop off and could actually be better. Amihere was the No.1 recruit before her injury.....she has had another year to mend.....come on....

South Carolina loses its two best players. Harris was masterful as a senior and there is no one like Herbert-Harrigan to pair with Boston.

gamecocks will be very good but it's reasonable to wonder if there will be a step back
 
I got the point that you were trying to make. From a roster standpoint, 2020-2021 "could" potentially be the weakest of a group of very strong rosters, and that happens when you have turnover at point guard and losing a do it all forward like Herbert-Harrigan. That's nothing against Henderson, she's just taking another step this season and there "could" be growing pains. That doesn't mean it's a bad roster.. it just may not be as strong as 2019-2020 or 2021-2022. 2022-2023 will be a strong year for SC as well.


Yes yes. That's all I meant. No bad intent meant against your terrific basketball team.
 
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It's possible a soph or 2 won't be better. OFC they probably will. I didn’t say SC wouldn't. I was just being cautious while declaring you are going to be a monster overall for years 2-5. This is what you want to pick me apart on? Really? With your rival also being so damn good too? You had 2 seniors taken with the 7th and 8th picks overall while your leading experienced player the jr only got 17 minutes. And who's to say any of your pg's will fill that pg role at high level? Harris was tremendous. Now you have two pg's in which the one with the most assist had a ratio of 1.5 - to- 1. You understand that that's not very good for an elite team, right? Unless you are suggesting passing for an elite team doesn't count much? And Harrigan was tremendous. SC will probably be a beasts of beasts this year in the SEC but your rival is damn good too, aren't they?. I just posted caution because after this year-- while you still might be tremendous this year-- next year and on you are going to be "sick."

As for Amihere. You and others are more experts than I. But why wasn't she better this past year? Last year was year 2 of her injury. The 2nd year back, she is 6'4 and she shoots 41% from 2? But on the flip side she shoots 53% from 3 which is good despite not taking that many. She rebounded well it seems but she's a disaster passing. Wouldn’t a very good pg help her a lot?

**************You are certain you're 2 pg's are going to be very, very good this year and Miss State who is projected to be 3rd in the country according to ESPN. THIRD IN THE COUNTRY. THIRD IN THE COUNTRY. Yet I'm supposed to say you are UNDOUBTEDLY going to rule the SEC this upcoming year? Seriously?:

I was just offering caution. You have a tough team to compete with. That's all. If I were to bet ofc your team will probably be terrific again. Is Miss State highly overrated? That I don't know.
Amihere got injured her Junior and Senior year in high school. This season was her first full season back since she was a Sophomore in high school. She graduated early because of the injury and enrolled at SC but did not play.
 
Amihere got injured her Junior and Senior year in high school. This season was her first full season back since she was a Sophomore in high school. She graduated early because of the injury and enrolled at SC but did not play.


In 2017 she tore up her knee. What happened to her in 2018?
 
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It's possible a soph or 2 won't be better. OFC they probably will. I didn’t say SC wouldn't. I was just being cautious while declaring you are going to be a monster overall for years 2-5. This is what you want to pick me apart on? Really? With your rival also being so damn good too? You had 2 seniors taken with the 7th and 8th picks overall while your leading experienced player the jr only got 17 minutes. And who's to say any of your pg's will fill that pg role at high level? Harris was tremendous. Now you have two pg's in which the one with the most assist had a ratio of 1.5 - to- 1. You understand that that's not very good for an elite team, right? Unless you are suggesting passing for an elite team doesn't count much? And Harrigan was tremendous. SC will probably be a beasts of beasts this year in the SEC but your rival is damn good too, aren't they?. I just posted caution because after this year-- while you still might be tremendous this year-- next year and on you are going to be "sick."

As for Amihere. You and others are more experts than I. But why wasn't she better this past year? Last year was year 2 of her injury. The 2nd year back, she is 6'4 and she shoots 41% from 2? But on the flip side she shoots 53% from 3 which is good despite not taking that many. She rebounded well it seems but she's a disaster passing. Wouldn’t a very good pg help her a lot?

**************You are certain you're 2 pg's are going to be very, very good this year and Miss State who is projected to be 3rd in the country according to ESPN. THIRD IN THE COUNTRY. THIRD IN THE COUNTRY. Yet I'm supposed to say you are UNDOUBTEDLY going to rule the SEC this upcoming year? Seriously?:

I was just offering caution. You have a tough team to compete with. That's all. If I were to bet ofc your team will probably be terrific again. Is Miss State highly overrated? That I don't know.
I do agree with most of your points. We have a couple of unknown but from a talent stand point we could be better. If you go by rankings and on paper both Henderson and Amihere are more talented than Harris and Harrigan. I am confident Dawn can get them to reach their full potential.
 
In 2017 she tore up her knee. What happened to her in 2018?
She injured the other knee. The knee she had the brace on.

This is the story in her own words if you care to listen:
 
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I do agree with most of your points. We have a couple of unknown but from a talent stand point we could be better. If you go by rankings and on paper both Henderson and Amihere are more talented than Harris and Harrigan. I am confident Dawn can get them to reach their full potential.


I am not arguing. And I know your team is terrific -- but why do you say "More talented?" You lost two 1st round WNBA picks. Unless you are going to say that one or both the seniors weren't really "as talented" as the younger players?

I cant believe Harrigan didn't get at least HM A/A. Her EFG% was 63/19%.

You didn't pick up much this season. So you had all the talent last year and you lost two imo extremely "talented" players.
 
I am not arguing. And I know your team is terrific -- but why do you say "More talented?" You lost two 1st round WNBA picks. Unless you are going to say that one or both the seniors weren't really "as talented" as the younger players?

I cant believe Harrigan didn't get at least HM A/A. Her EFG% was 63/19%.

You didn't pick up much this season. So you had all the talent last year and you lost two imo extremely "talented" players.

Henderson was a McDonalds All American and was ranked the #1 point guard in the class of 2018. She is quicker, faster and a much better athlete than Harris . Ty was the better overall player because she was solid in all phases of being a point guard. The same thing could be said about Amihere who was rated the top prospect before the injury. That being said the more talented player are not always the best player. We will have to wait and see how that turns out. The funny thing is coming into last season Ty and Kiki was getting hardly no love from the media and this board when we were discussing what SC was bringing back. Ty was projected to go in the third round and Kiki was not even on the draft boards.

We are adding two McDonald's All Americans that we did not have last year in Littleton and Russell. If we were to base talent on rankings an accolades then we will be more talented this season than last year. However that does not mean we will be a better team.

We are not arguing just having a discussion based on different views. I am not saying you are wrong but I am looking at it from a potential standpoint.
 
Just saw that Matthew Mitchell had brain surgery. He suffered a concussion in March, had continuing headaches, and was diagnosed with a subdural hematoma. He is recovering now.
 
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It's possible a soph or 2 won't be better. OFC they probably will. I didn’t say SC wouldn't. I was just being cautious while declaring you are going to be a monster overall for years 2-5. This is what you want to pick me apart on? Really? With your rival also being so damn good too? You had 2 seniors taken with the 7th and 8th picks overall while your leading experienced player the jr only got 17 minutes. And who's to say any of your pg's will fill that pg role at high level? Harris was tremendous. Now you have two pg's in which the one with the most assist had a ratio of 1.5 - to- 1. You understand that that's not very good for an elite team, right? Unless you are suggesting passing for an elite team doesn't count much? And Harrigan was tremendous. SC will probably be a beasts of beasts this year in the SEC but your rival is damn good too, aren't they?. I just posted caution because after this year-- while you still might be tremendous this year-- next year and on you are going to be "sick."

As for Amihere. You and others are more experts than I. But why wasn't she better this past year? Last year was year 2 of her injury. The 2nd year back, she is 6'4 and she shoots 41% from 2? But on the flip side she shoots 53% from 3 which is good despite not taking that many. She rebounded well it seems but she's a disaster passing. Wouldn’t a very good pg help her a lot?

**************You are certain you're 2 pg's are going to be very, very good this year and Miss State who is projected to be 3rd in the country according to ESPN. THIRD IN THE COUNTRY. THIRD IN THE COUNTRY. Yet I'm supposed to say you are UNDOUBTEDLY going to rule the SEC this upcoming year? Seriously?:

I was just offering caution. You have a tough team to compete with. That's all. If I were to bet ofc your team will probably be terrific again. Is Miss State highly overrated? That I don't know.

I agree there's no guarantee the team will be better from the positions that lost Harris at PG and Herbert-Harrigan at the 4. Both had too much experience and played such huge roles in the team's success this past season. I am expecting drop-offs in consistent production at both positions for 2020-21.

But the potential and prospects for the season are still excellent. At the Guard positions, we'll have 4 very talented former McDonald's AAs in Henderson, Cooke, Littleton, and Beal. It's likely that none of these will show the savvy and maturity to lead the team on game-by-game basis, and to expect them to may be a bit unfair to them, but all with the exception of Littleton - who red-shirted last season - have shown at times that they can.

Both Cooke and Littleton are tough physical guards who both played recreational league football in their states with the boys before taking up basketball. Littleton's freshman year at Texas was a total wash, with injuries and overcoming the shock of college life away from home. Her sophomore season was a major step forward, while she hoped to continue that last year at USC, the transfer red-shirt year was productive in that she was able to get some corrective surgery done on her feet, and she was also able to settle into her new life in Columbia, so this season she should be able to focus 100% on contributing to the team.

And I expect Beal to be a bigger offensive producer in 2020-21: she averaged 26 ppg her final year in high school, and finished as the all-time top scorer in her high school conference. She was a bit hesitant contributing offensively this past season, but a player like that usually isn't uncomfortable with putting the basketball in the hoop. She became the #2 rebounder on the team behind Boston however, and defensively earned the role as the top lock-down choice for the opposing team's top scorer.

Henderson has 9 total starts under her belt at PG, but they all came during her freshman season. She averaged just under 9 ppg last season coming off the bench, and I expect her to improve on that as the starting PG next season. Her assist-to-ratio wasn't great last season, but Destannie improved as the season progressed, where she had 64 assists (3.4 apg) to 33 turnovers during the 16 conference and 3 SECT games, and averaged 13.0 ppg in the SECT, so her potential for improvement there is sound.

I am very excited to see how the threesome of senior Grissett, junior Saxton, and sophomore Amihere develop their games over the extended off-season. Both Grissett and Saxton shot a combined 151-252 (.599) from the field coming off the bench, and averaged 11.7 ppg, 7.7 rpg, 2.0 bpg, and 1.8 spg in just 32.5 combined mpg. (about 16.0 mpg each). Both are very athletic and physical defenders - Grissett seemed to flourish after moving to the G position as a 6-2 G, while Saxton played as a 6-2 F. Both players can fill in for Beal or at the 4 where Herbert-Harrigan used to roam, although neither have the perimeter game from the 3 that Kiki had.

This is where Amihere may come in: Although she would most likely fill in for Boston at the 5, Amihere shot 7-13 (.538) from the 3 last season, including 5-8 (.625) in SEC gms. That's a small sample size, but it shows that Amihere has confidence in her perimeter game where she could provide the outside scoring that Herbert-Harrigan contributed, to a degree. Otherwise, she averaged 4.7 ppg that improved to 5.6 ppg in SEC gms, and 3.9 rpg in just 13 mpg, and 33 blocks over 29 gms. Hopefully the pandemic allows her to spend some time in the weight room this off-season, and strengthening her legs so she comes back more sure of herself for next season.

Finally there's not much to say about Boston, except she was a bit out of condition last season, but that's not too surprising for a true freshman center who started for her college team from day one. Still, she improved as she went along - averaging 12.5 ppg, 9.4 rpg, and shooting .608 for the season, but averaging 13.1 ppg, 10.3 rpg, and .621 during the conference season at the end of the schedule. As with Amihere, Aliyah could stand to spend some time with the S&C staff, and see if they can improve her stamina and conditioning.

It wouldn't surprise me to see either or both Cooke and Boston average upwards of 15 ppg this season, with Henderson, Beal, and perhaps either Grissett or Saxton - whoever takes over for Herbert-Harrigan - average around 10 ppg. Even Littleton could approach 10 ppg if her feet are totally recovered, which they should be after the long off-time from the red-shirt. I'm not sure what Russell would bring to the table, but I am excited to see her as well.....

So while I wouldn't say there are individual players that can fill Harris' or Herbert-Harrigan's shoes for 2020-21, I do expect to see some improvement via development, experience, and maturity in several players that combined may do the trick, and overall may even make the team stronger. We won't know until we can play basketball again......
 
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I am not arguing. And I know your team is terrific -- but why do you say "More talented?" You lost two 1st round WNBA picks. Unless you are going to say that one or both the seniors weren't really "as talented" as the younger players?

I cant believe Harrigan didn't get at least HM A/A. Her EFG% was 63/19%.

You didn't pick up much this season. So you had all the talent last year and you lost two imo extremely "talented" players.

Yep, and there's more to it that just talent. Those two first-rounders were LEADERS on and off the court. One was Ms. Dependable and Calm. The other was Ms. Fire. Frankly, Kiki surprised me with her leadership. Their leadership allowed out freshmen to survive on talent alone.

I don't expect us to develop that type of leadership in 2020. Possibly the leaders will emerge by post season. I hope so, but I do not expect another one loss season. We'll see.
 
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Yep, and there's more to it that just talent. Those two first-rounders were LEADERS on and off the court. One was Ms. Dependable and Calm. The other was Ms. Fire. Frankly, Kiki surprised me with her leadership. Their leadership allowed out freshmen to survive on talent alone.

I don't expect us to develop that type of leadership in 2020. Possibly the leaders will emerge by post season. I hope so, but I do not expect another one loss season. We'll see.

You have to give the Freshman more respect than that. They were a major reason why Harris and Herbert Harrigan were so successful because how good they were when they came in. I honestly think they’ll be just fine next year. I don’t think it’ll be a one loss season either but I do expect them to win 30+ games again.
 
But the potential and prospects for the season are still excellent.

I agree with all you said.

No doubt this is the best South Carolina has looked long-term -- ever.
Another beast is Stanford.
 
Yep, and there's more to it that just talent. Those two first-rounders were LEADERS on and off the court. One was Ms. Dependable and Calm. The other was Ms. Fire. Frankly, Kiki surprised me with her leadership. Their leadership allowed out freshmen to survive on talent alone.

I don't expect us to develop that type of leadership in 2020. Possibly the leaders will emerge by post season. I hope so, but I do not expect another one loss season. We'll see.

Doesn't sound like, from your post, that you expected Kiki to develop her leadership, but she did. Maybe someone else will surprise you this season. Saxton is one that is high up on my list....
 
Doesn't sound like, from your post, that you expected Kiki to develop her leadership, but she did. Maybe someone else will surprise you this season. Saxton is one that is high up on my list....

During her first three seasons Kiki was often firey. . . too much so at times. She could act petulant in certain instances like questionable calls. Then, she was ready to transfer out - like an individual. However, she stayed and became like a big sister to the freshmen, particularly Boston. She started showing the maturity to keep her fires from getting out of control and appeared to teach that to the frosh.

I hope Zia Cook develops into a true leader on and off the court - a Dawn type point guard.
 
In 2017 she tore up her knee. What happened to her in 2018?
Maybe this helps..lol She did not play again to Fall 2019. She graduated early and red shirted at South Carolina part of 2018. She was on the bench with the 2018 Team
 
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