SEC and B12 announce inbreeding program Phase I

[Dann]

OK, but the B1G offers far better academics which would be an important consideration.. Plus a much better regional fit.

ok but nd can add who they want in the b12. so if academics are that important then they can take fsu/miami/gt/vt/md or something like that. those are good schools and those give them east coast markets to play away games in. regional fit vs alum fit? hasn't all the talk been that nd needs to touch east coast mk's for away games. we know they can sell home games out like dunkin coffee on a monday morning. if they goto the b10 then those last 3 need to give them dc/ny for sure to go with phili(psu) at least....

 

[speedoo]

ok but nd can add who they want in the b12. so if academics are that important then they can take fsu/miami/gt/vt/md or something like that. those are good schools and those give them east coast markets to play away games in. regional fit vs alum fit? hasn't all the talk been that nd needs to touch east coast mk's for away games. we know they can sell home games out like dunkin coffee on a monday morning. if they goto the b10 then those last 3 need to give them dc/ny for sure to go with phili(psu) at least....

So they go to the B1G, and they take with them Uconn and RU for NY and Maryland for DC.. With PSU for Philly, they have the NY to DC corridor well covered.. Alums are very happy.

 

[Dann]

So they go to the B1G, and they take with them Uconn and RU for NY and Maryland for DC.. With PSU for Philly, they have the NY to DC corridor well covered.. Alums are very happy.

no

they will take MD, 1 of uconn or ruty and then uva i think. with vt talking to the b12, i think unc and ncst may be a package deal to the sec now for 16. it comes down to uconns on field/court winning vs nj tv sets.

 

[RS9999X]

OK, but the B1G offers far better academics which would be an ir mportant consideration.. Plus a much better regional fit.

Their football contract is for $15 mil plus the BE basketball and bowl payments.

I think they have some options depending on NBC. They have a separate Hockey contract and big plans there with all Home games on Versus.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/s...sh-increase-national-exposure-ncaa-men-hockey

They do need to work out a new bowl agreement.

 

[speedoo]

no

they will take MD, 1 of uconn or ruty and then uva i think. with vt talking to the b12, i think unc and ncst may be a package deal to the sec now for 16. it comes down to uconns on field/court winning vs nj tv sets.

OK, but I am not convinced that RU can deliver NY tv that much better than UConn can. I recall some data that said so, but it was very limited. Meanwhile UConn has good bball coverage through SNY, and I don't think that impact has been taken into account yet.

 

[Dann]

OK, but I am not convinced that RU can deliver NY tv that much better than UConn can. I recall some data that said so, but it was very limited. Meanwhile UConn has good bball coverage through SNY, and I don't think that impact has been taken into account yet.

we will see in due time

 

[speedoo]

we will see in due time

Yes, we will. I want so badly to be right because the B1G would be like heaven for UConn.. Best possible outcome by far.

 

[HartbeatHusky]

“This game is intended to work successfully within the new postseason structure,” Slive told CBSSports.com. “Once we understand what the structure is, we’ll figure out exactly how our game fits.”

http://chronicle.augusta.com/conten...-18/secb12-pact-game-changer-acc?v=1337364680

I honestly don't see anyway that the ACC's survives this. I also don't see any chance of UConn getting a promotion, unfortunately. We're going to have to make the best of being in the 5th best football conference. We better try to make sure it stays one of the top 2 or 3 hoops leagues just so it has something to brag about. If the ACC does fall apart there are simply too many schools that would get into one of the Big 4 conferences ahead of us and the ACC won't be a viable option. There would be no point walking away from the hoops schools if only like 2 or 3 stragglers are left when the smoke clears with the ACC.

Too bad we came so late to the Big time football party. Things could have been different for us.

 

[Carl Spackler]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...ns-bowl-changes-college-footballs-big-picture

Anyone else a little disturbed by this article? I'm not even referring to the diminished quality of the BE or ACC. The whole article is focusing on how this bowl game is going to be bid on like a construction contract. I know the NCAA has lost control but this may just be the end.....at what point does the nCAA try and do something to save face and make this not all about money. Or is it just too late to even do that? However, how can teams follow enforced penalties from a "governing body" that can't even govern!! What a load of crap this whole thing has become! It seems like it will be sooner rather than later that we see the power teams break away from the NCAA and become a major money making entity that cares little about it's "student-athletes".

CBS is the company that has the most to lose in all of this mess. I wasn't quite sure which way the most media backlash might be coming from, but it makes sense now, that it would be CBS.

CBS has had broadcasting ties with Big East basketball since 1981. CBS doesn't have the NFL. CBS's only tie in to intercollegiate football I believe, is the SEC. Might be wrng about that.

On every corner for the past few weeks, has been cbssports reporting. I think the Big East under new management has been cleaning house of media moles, but that's just my opinion, and CBS is scrambling because they've been cut off from their info.

Because when you have a break down in a command structure like the Big East had 8 mnths ago, the first thing you do , is flush a bunch of down the toilets and see what comes out the other side.

THe media is going to get worse on the big east, before it gets better.

The reality of the value of the big east will be known to everybody in less time than it takes to have a baby.

And make no mistake, Annapolis has tied he future of their program, and he financial security that their academy would get with it in our government structure, to the Big EAst.

 

[UCFBfan]

CBS has had broadcasting ties with Big East basketball since 1981. CBS doesn't have the NFL. CBS's only tie in to intercollegiate football I believe, is the SEC. Might be wrng about that.

CBS DOES have the NFL.....In all honesty, I find that they are the only major sports news site to have any relevant info on all this. ESPN is useless and usually doesn't have an article up for a day after CBS reports it.

 

[HartbeatHusky]

The schools that should really be worried are all current and future BE members, including Cuse and Pitt, and BC, WF, and Maryland. I think the rest of the ACC would be assured a spot at the table. There will be room for 2 or 3 of the potentially left-behind schools I mentioned depending on what ND decides.

 

[UCFBfan]

The schools that should really be worried are all current and future BE members, including Cuse and Pitt, and BC, WF, and Maryland. I think the rest of the ACC would be assured a spot at the table. There will be room for 2 or 3 of the potentially left-behind schools I mentioned depending on what ND decides.

You think Duke would get a spot over Maryland???

 

[alexrgct]

OK, but the B1G offers far better academics which would be an important consideration.. Plus a much better regional fit.

I'd guess there are far more important factors to ND than geographic proximity and academic standing of its intraleague counterparts:

• Possibly joining a league with Texas and Florida (if FSU does bolt for the XII) footprints? Other southeastern locations possibly? Yes, please. Those are significant recruiting hotbeds and growing markets. The midwest...not so much.
• Ability to retain Tier 3 rights without some dumb conference network or revenue sharing scheme.
• Texas and Notre Dame are more closely allied than a lot of people realize. In an ideal world, they'd be in the same conference should ND have to join one.
• Given ND's football schedule and non-football affiliation with the Big East, they're very used to travelling.
• The Big XII team-up with the SEC is more attractive than the B1G-Pac. The PAC overplayed its hand, failed to get Texas to budge or poach anyone out of the XII other than the relatively useless Colorado, and now they have no good way to expand. The B1G is an amalgum of unpleasant Rust Belt states. The Big XII and the SEC, conversely, hold a lot of cards.

I mean, I guess they could join the B1G, but if they really wanted to, they could have done so any number of times already. The B1G should be on its knees begging them.

 

[HartbeatHusky]

You think Duke would get a spot over Maryland???

I do. Maybe they wouldn't but I feel that UNC would lobby hard for them to get into the B!G if that is where they decide to go. I know it's about football, but if any undeserving football program is going to squeak into one of the Big 4 conferences it'll be Duke.

Ultimately, I think Maryland would be OK since I think they'd get picked ahead of Cuse, Pitt, WF, or BC for inclusion into the B12.

 

[coachcap]

An analogy once the dust finally settles in baseball terms: The Big-4 (each at 16 teams)=MLB What's left of the Big East & ACC=Federal League

 

[observer]

The #2 bowl is all that they have agreed to set up

This bowl is not as big a deal as people make it out to be. OK, guaranteed matchup between the SEC/Big12 but in just about every year the winners of those conferences will be in the 4 team BCS playoff so this bowl will be a matchup between the #2s of those conferences. Hence the #2 bowl.

Still easier for a team from the ACC like FSU to go 12-1 0r 13-0 and make the four team BCS playoff than to do so as a member of the SEC or Big 12.

Once the BCS playoff of four starts it will not be long before it grows to eight and this bowl will have a short life span.

 

[WallStreetHusky]

The #2 bowl is all that they have agreed to set up

This bowl is not as big a deal as people make it out to be. OK, guaranteed matchup between the SEC/Big12 but in just about every year the winners of those conferences will be in the 4 team BCS playoff so this bowl will be a matchup between the #2s of those conferences. Hence the #2 bowl.

Still easier for a team from the ACC like FSU to go 12-1 0r 13-0 and make the four team BCS playoff than to do so as a member of the SEC or Big 12.

Once the BCS playoff of four starts it will not be long before it grows to eight and this bowl will have a short life span.

To John Swoffords Mom, you still don't get it!! This bowl alone will pay each B12 member $2m per year. In other words $2m more than FSU will ever see by staying in the ACC. Giving them even more reasons to bolt for the B12.

It's too bad FSU won't stay in the ACC, you would have liked the Cuse and BC fans......all of you guys, and ostriches, have a lot in common......

 

[observer]

Nice made up numbers; now for some reality.

Using your number, whole cloth and all, $2 mil per Big 12 member equals 20 mil, assume the SEC will want the same 2 mil per team so 14 times two is 28 million...drum roll please...for a grand total of 48 million dollars.

Let's see, the 2011 Capital One bowl (SEC2 vs Big 10 2) payout was 9.2 mil. Comparable game but for some reason you think that the new game is suddenly worth FIVE TIMES AS MUCH.

Or ponder this, the 2011 Rose Bowl, a BCS GAME, the payout was 36 million.

Now the SEC/Big12 bill the game as a match-up between their champions but the reality is again otherwise. In the last nine years this game would NOT have been a matchup between the conference champions because one, or both, were in the BCS title game, and that was when there were only two slots in the BCS playoff. Starting in 2014, when this game also starts, the BCS will likely be a four team playoff thus further diminishing the chances that this game will be a matchup of conference champions.

But then, of course, I never really understood 'wall street' numbers and it is really hard to see and do math with my head in the sand anyway.

 

[TuxedoYoda]

Still easier for a team from the ACC like FSU to go 12-1 0r 13-0 and make the four team BCS playoff than to do so as a member of the SEC or Big 12.

I couldn't disagree more. It will be much easier to make the 4 team playoff as the 2nd team from the Big12 than it will be as the first place team from the ACC.

 

[Jericho]

While this is somewhat big news, I don't think the news is as big as some would lead you to believe. The Big 12-SEC Bowl may never even see the actual champions of each conference in asingle season. A lot of it will depend on how the new playoff is structured. Really there are only two options:

(1) A true 4 team playoff, in which case the 4 qualifying teams are removed from the Bowl process. In this scenario, if either the SEC or Big 12 champ is in the top 4, they don't play in this bowl. Most years, both conference champs would be Top 4 and not make this new Bowl. I would think nearly all years at least one champ would not make it. This Bowl then becomes more like the Capital One Bowl, which had previously matched the SEC's and Big 10's top non-BCS schools. A good Bowl, but not a game changer.

(2) A Bowls, +1 scenario. Bowls revery back to pre-BCS, pre-Bowl Alliance days. Conference tie-ins rule who goes where. The Bowls get played and then a championship game is played by the two top remaining teams. Some people believe the Big Conferences favor this method since it wouold turn the Rose Bowl and this new Bowl into de facto conference championships. The problem?

It stinks as a plan. Really does not change the existing system much. Still does not really "settle it on the field" and cuts off access to most everyone else, including Notre Dame. For those that are old enough to remeber the pre-Bowl Alliance days, many Bowl match-ups stunk. And you don't need to look further then last season to see the potential problems with this format.

Had this system been in place last year, the Rose Bowl would have been Oregon v. Wisconsin (same as it was and niether team in the top 4). This new bowl would have been LSU v. Oklahoma State (both top 4 teams). The latter bowl is a good match-up, but the Rose would be irrelvant for championship urposes. And Alabama? As the SEC #2, it likely would have pulled a Big 10 team (the SEC and Big 10 currently match their top non BCS teams in a Bowl). Maybe Michigan?

Under this hypthetical, what if OSU won and Alabama won? Who plays in the championship? OSU has to go, right? But does Alabama or LSU go as the other team? Comparable records, but LSU has every advantage - they beat Alabama @ Alabama, won the conference both are members of, and had a stronger schedule overall (Playing Oregon out of conference, playing the SEC title game, and playing a tougher bowl opponent). But LSU v. OSU would be a rematch and who wants that? And yet if you pass on LSU, you take a team that could not even win its conference and backed in by playing a much weaker Bowl opponent. That's a mess and everyone complains...

 

[Jericho]

I couldn't disagree more. It will be much easier to make the 4 team playoff as the 2nd team from the Big12 than it will be as the first place team from the ACC.

Why do you say that? Even the year Cincinnati went undefeated, they got ranked ahead of a 1 loss Florida team (that they then played in the Bowls and were huge underdogs despite being ranked higher). I don't know how the new playoffs will work or how teams will be selected. But in the past, the rankings essentially listed the zero loss teams, then the one loss teams, then the two loss teams, etc... Strength of conference only seemed to matter as a tiebreaker (i.e. a one loss SEC team would be ranked over any one loss ACC team or Big East team). I have a hard time seeing a 12-1 ACC team being picked over a 11-2 SEC team with the SEC already having one school in.