SEC and B12 announce inbreeding program Phase I

[RS9999X]

Big 12, SEC champs to play in bowl

New Year starting 2014. Besst available teams

Next steps. SEC announces 9-game schedule. They met on this earlier this year

SEC and Big 12 to play one cross-conference game per team each year.

Big 12 adds 2 teams

 

[Carl Spackler]

Get a grip people, I know most of you aren't old enough to have experienced or remember it, and for UConn - at the time, 99% of people were pissed off about losing to Duke in the tourney....but the exact same thing among the exact same people, happened in 1991.

It's what led to the creation of the BCS system in the first place.

The big east conference is not going to be left out of all of this, and neither is the ACC. The college football post season has been around for a long, long time. It's just changing again.

 

[RS9999X]

Carl, BE football is getting marginalized financially.

 

[WallStreetHusky]

And yet people really think that FSU is just going to sit tight in the ACC as the chasm just grows bigger between the ACC and the other four conferences???????

Yup, its a four conference future, and FSU and any other ACC team that may have a lifeboat off the ACC Titanic, is just going to sit tight in the 5th conference.

"But WSH, what about academics? What about regional rivalries? But what about blah, blah, blah......." spare me, even Stevie Wonder can see the writing on this wall......

 

[Carl Spackler]

Carl, BE football is getting marginalized financially.

The reality of what the value of the big east conference is - will be available for everybody to see in my guess.....about 7 months. Big east football, is only part of the big east conference, and the value of the big east conference.

THe problem with the big east is that there hasn't been leadership in place strong enough to manage the conference. You won't believe me, but the SEC leadership, a long time ago when UConn football was 1-AA, recognized that the big east had incredible potential to become the most powerful entity in the intercollegiate landscape. I"ll save you the explanation why. They also recognized in the early 1990s, that the division and imbalance in the parochial powers and public powers was somethign that no one had any real reason to expect to change, so the big east as a power conference and a threat of any kind, was dismissed and the conference marginalized as a whole, especially in football, by the media, and the big east did NOTHING to change it, as expected.

And that SEC opinion, was dead on from 1996 through 2011.

I've said all along, that a big east conference that has it's priorities in line, and leadership in place, is exactly where I want to be. I believe it's finally happened.

 

[jostar1]

Dennis Dodd‏@dennisdoddcbs
Big East, ACC now out on island, in case you didn't know.

 

[Carl Spackler]

All right, one more thing for today then I'm out. Just remember people - don't pay attention to anything about the Big East conference, that is coming from anything except a direct quote from a president or the acting commissioner.

My observations, and i"m only an observer, lead me to the following conclusions:

The big east has business to do, with our regular season inventory in coming months, which involve billions of dollars, and the futures of 18 different universities, and there are a lot of very powerful media forces involved that aren't going to be happy with the flow of information, so pay attention only to what matters.

The big east has business to do, with the college football post season, and this summer will be a meeting in which 12 people take place, all with equal vote and majority rule decision making.

I'm not much of a math guy, but I'm pretty sure that 5 is less than 7, and I"m very sure that 4 is less than 8.

That's what these conference commissioners that have been leading groups of colleges that have gotten really fat on a corrupt system are facing.

Have a nice day.

 

[Dann]

just another reason why if we get left out of this we need to make a stand in the NBE and not the ACC. our tv deal/$$ stuff will be better. we have national teams in that league and every school in that league is on the rise or has major potential. bball can not influence this. our bball programs are special enough where we can create ooc schedules to make up for a lack of a great conf slate. schools like cuse/pitt/bc/duke/wake are not going to live thru this in the acc. who ever of that group thats gets left out of the big 4 will die off. don't join them, watch them die. we need to be locking arms with temple/ruty/cincy/usf/ucf. none of us can bite of the acc and toegther we need to form our NBE as the 5th best and they prove on the filed that the big 4 need to let us play. just like what BSU did the past couple years and Cincy a couple years ago. the NBE may not look great acadmeic wise of bball wise, but its the best fball option and if the right couple of final pieces are added for 16, we will be the 5th best conf easy, the mac/cusa/acc will be far behind for 6/7/8. we can make a stand, we just have to make sure a couple key schools are all in with us!

sdsu/bsu//byu/uh/smu/memphis/?
uconn/ruty/temple/navy/cincy/usf/ucf/?

have to get and byu on board, have 2!!! then fill in the last 2. we can add 2 more west teams and move memphis east. we can add ecu to take a shot to the heat of tobacco road and then a west school. we can take a school near memphis and put them in the west as a travel partner also. i asume lville is going to the b12. if not that changes things and just makes us stronger.

 

[junglehusky]

step 1. 4 team playoff
step 2. 8 team playoff
step 3. 12-16 team playoff, then the Big East will be okay. Hold tight for ~25 years and we'll be fine people!

 

[ZooCougar]

The Big East could not be any more marginalized.

When this is all said and done, there may not be much difference between the Big East and the ACC.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I don't get what the point of these arrangements are, other than to freeze out the Big East and ACC. 10 games of every major conference team's schedule is booked with conference games and then a game against a partner conference. How can anyone determine SOS in an environment where there are so few games outside of the conference circle?

And why go through all this trouble to freeze out the Big East and ACC? After taking the top programs from both, neither will be a regular threat to make the playoff anyway. Now, by not even playing the Big East and ACC, the 4 majors raise the specter that Cincinnati or someone goes undefeated, gets locked out of the playoff, the championship game is a 14-10 snoozer and Cincinnati wins the AP National Championship.

And this is a huge anti-trust violation. Competitors can not allocate the market between them or collude to freeze out competition.

 

[HartbeatHusky]

Damn, Check Mate! ACC is essentially dead with this agreement. BE has been pretty dead for a while, but this ensures that the ACC will never catch up to the Big 4 and will be frozen out. The best programs from the Big 12 are going to be on the move soon. I honestly think this also means that the unfortunate left-overs from the ACC will pretty much be forced to join the BE when all is said and done. Cuse and Pitt better be on the phone with the B!G and B12. UConn isn't going anywhere folks, neither is Louisville.

 

[CTMike]

step 1. 4 team playoff
step 2. 8 team playoff
step 3. 12-16 team playoff, then the Big East will be okay. Hold tight for ~25 years and we'll be fine people!

Step 4. Steal Underpants
Step 5. ??????
Step 6. PROFIT!

 

[HartbeatHusky]

I think those who are saying that most years this bowl will pit the #2 SEC vs the #2 B12 team are forgetting that there is still a very real possibility that the new playoff model adopts a conference champs only format. If such a format is adopted the Rose Bowl and this new B12/SEC bowl will be the playoff games in most years. Anyone who thinks they don't have a chance at making it into one of these big 4 conferences needs to pray that the conference champs model is not adopted.

 

[Kevin Caliendo]

The ACC HAS to get ND now. they have no choice. VaTech, FSU and Miami a well as Clemson have to realize tehir place in the college football world is at risk. Swofford needs to fly to Bristol, get them to open up their checkbooks and give ND whatever they want. Then invite RU, UConn and Louisville.

ACC North: BC, UConn, ND, RU, Syracuse, Pitt, Maryland, VaTech, Louisville
ACC South: UNC, Duke, Wake, GTech, UM, Clemson, FSU, UVa, NCS

The schools play 9-game schedules, eight against your division and one against the other side. Or just against your own division, with division winners playing in ACC championship game. tis allows ND to play USC and Michigan. yes, i know UVa has to play VaTech...that is why i suggested 9 games, but may want to keep it at 8 to increase chances of having team in 4-team playoff (if not only conference champs model). and this conference basically forces its way into the discussion for title and probably kills conf champs model.

Needless to say, this conference would dominate basketball inventory. Play every team once and one "rival"
team twice (duke v Carolina, Uconn v Syracuse, FSU vs UM, BC vs ND, Va v VTech, Pitt v Maryland, NCS v Wake, etc). its not perfect, but is perhaps ACC's only hope. there is no way FSU is styaing in ACC unless they do soemthing taht will get them more $$ to compete

thoughts? pipe dream?

 

[Chin Diesel]

The ACC HAS to get ND now. they have no choice. VaTech, FSU and Miami a well as Clemson have to realize tehir place in the college football world is at risk. Swofford needs to fly to Bristol, get them to open up their checkbooks and give ND whatever they want. Then invite RU, UConn and Louisville.

ACC North: BC, UConn, ND, RU, Syracuse, Pitt, Maryland, VaTech, Louisville
ACC South: UNC, Duke, Wake, GTech, UM, Clemson, FSU, UVa, NCS

The schools play 9-game schedules, eight against your division and one against the other side. Or just against your own division, with division winners playing in ACC championship game. tis allows ND to play USC and Michigan. yes, i know UVa has to play VaTech...that is why i suggested 9 games, but may want to keep it at 8 to increase chances of having team in 4-team playoff (if not only conference champs model). and this conference basically forces its way into the discussion for title and probably kills conf champs model.

Needless to say, this conference would dominate basketball inventory. Play every team once and one "rival"
team twice (duke v Carolina, Uconn v Syracuse, FSU vs UM, BC vs ND, Va v VTech, Pitt v Maryland, NCS v Wake, etc). its not perfect, but is perhaps ACC's only hope. there is no way FSU is styaing in ACC unless they do soemthing taht will get them more $$ to compete

thoughts? pipe dream?

Couple of things.

ACC isn't going to be an 18 team conference, even with NDU. A few of the southern schools are gone.

Secondly, geography aside, no way the Carolina schools vote in ND and then put them in the opposite division. If the ACC gets ND, ND is going to be in the division with the southern schools. The northern division will be an amalgamation of old BE schools and Maryland and VT.

 

[UCFBfan]

Couple of things.

ACC isn't going to be an 18 team conference, even with NDU. A few of the southern schools are gone.

Secondly, geography aside, no way the Carolina schools vote in ND and then put them in the opposite division. If the ACC gets ND, ND is going to be in the division with the southern schools. The northern division will be an amalgamation of old BE schools and Maryland and VT.

I'll add one more to this....there's looking like there's little to no room left at the big boy table for another conference. Why would ND tie itself to a conference that's on the outside in regards to the ACC? If anything, ND is pushing really hard now to have the B1G let them in after holding out for so long...

 

[UCFBfan]

If UConn is out of this whole thing and will be a "mid-major" I'd rather see them join forces with our natural rivals. That includes BC....if we can't get the Big Boy seat, why not at least get local/regional rivals to make football interesting to people in the Northeast. Clearly, the current alignment of having schools in the Northeast in the ACC or BE is worthless.

 

[MattMang23]

Carl, you live in the past more than Syracuse and BC fans. Combined.

 

[UCFBfan]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...ns-bowl-changes-college-footballs-big-picture

Anyone else a little disturbed by this article? I'm not even referring to the diminished quality of the BE or ACC. The whole article is focusing on how this bowl game is going to be bid on like a construction contract. I know the NCAA has lost control but this may just be the end.....at what point does the nCAA try and do something to save face and make this not all about money. Or is it just too late to even do that? However, how can teams follow enforced penalties from a "governing body" that can't even govern!! What a load of crap this whole thing has become! It seems like it will be sooner rather than later that we see the power teams break away from the NCAA and become a major money making entity that cares little about it's "student-athletes".

 

[RS9999X]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...ns-bowl-changes-college-footballs-big-picture

Anyone else a little disturbed by this article? I'm not even referring to the diminished quality of the BE or ACC. The whole article is focusing on how this bowl game is going to be bid on like a construction contract. ".

Nope. I called this months ago including the name "Champions Bowl}. It was so obvious as to what these little pricks were up to. They should just hire me

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  RS9999X They can contract their own Conference Championship game. No one argues that. No bowl committees to fuss with.
  
  Marketing 4 top tier bowls as "Champions" Bowls from the PAC-12, BiG, B12, and SEC and adding it to their conference contracts to the tune of $50 million a year per bowl? Easy (The Rose went for $30 mil a year in 2004).
  
  Selecting any at-large teams they want and inbreeding? Perfectly legal. Select the best available #2 teams (from the Big 4 of course) The Conferences can bid the games out to the highest stadium deals and get rid of the Bowl Committee fiascos and old facilities like the Orange Bowl.
  
  If ESPN pays for the Champion Bowls and markets it, it will replace the BCS name in one year.
  
  Skimming the Top 2 teams off for a National Bowl based on the BCS ranking system? Perfectly legal. Then the BCS manages the bowl, not a Bowl Committee. They could wait until after the Champions Bowls are played and take the best two team based on the BCS polls at that point and perfect their inbreeding.
  
  I'd propose that in a heartbeat if EPSN pays.

Dec 7, 2011

 

[speedoo]

One thing I don't get. Why are people talking about ND being pressured to join the B12?. If ND wants into a conference, don't they prefer the B1G?. And is it not likely the B1G would take them?

 

[Kevin Caliendo]

UNC and Duke and anyone else can complain all they want, the fact is they become a non-factor if they don't get ND. Why? Because there is nothing stopping the big12 from inviting ND and FSU. if they succeed in getting those two schools, its game over for east coast football. Now, there are a couple things here that are in teh favor of the ACC. For one, ND would prefer to be in the ACC for its fan base and academics. two, ESPN has a vested interest in keeping the ACC alive and relevent. ogf course, ESPN also has the big 12 contract.

 

[Dann]

One thing I don't get. Why are people talking about ND being pressured to join the B12?. If ND wants into a conference, don't they prefer the B1G?. And is it not likely the B1G would take them?

If nd finally feels it has no choice but to join a conf, they can do 1 of 2 things right now.

1) they can join the B1G. they can have some control over the last 3 members. a random guess would be some combo of md/uva/unc/ruty.

2) they can join the B12. that would give the league 11 team on its way to 16. they can control the other 5 added and create there own division to play in basically. they will take one of the catholic texas schools maybe 2, then wvu and pluck some acc schools for a eastern division of there dream. nd would always get a tex or ok cross game to boot...

thats the pickings now...

 

[speedoo]

If nd finally feels it has no choice but to join a conf, they can do 1 of 2 things right now.

1) they can join the B1G. they can have some control over the last 3 members. a random guess would be some combo of md/uva/unc/ruty.

2) they can join the B12. that would give the league 11 team on its way to 16. they can control the other 5 added and create there own division to play in basically. they will take one of the catholic texas schools maybe 2, then wvu and pluck some acc schools for a eastern division of there dream. nd would always get a tex or ok cross game to boot...

thats the pickings now...

OK, but the B1G offers far better academics which would be an important consideration.. Plus a much better regional fit.