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bballnut90 said:
Update: Crème updated the list, they’re still on the next 4 out. Kind of shocked Mississippi State is in the field after finishing 5-11 in SEC play. That UTA loss really must be looming large.
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Seems like he doesn't really know what to do with Mississippi State (can also add Texas A&M, Nebraska, and the ACC schools with 11+ wins) because he doesn't know what the committee will emphasize. Once he gets in contact with his committee sources, he'll start to piece together a bracket that's going to be closer to the real thing.

That said, his is probably closer than the oddball brackets that are circulating at this time because he's at least trying to use more of the metrics (WAB being one of them). I have no idea what Mitchell Northam, Autumn Johnson, Megan Gauer and the dude from The Athletic are doing except trying to out-clown each other.
 
bballnut90 said:
Prior to today they were on Charlie’s next 4 out list. Beating Ole Miss and ending the season on a 5 game win streak probably jumps them to at least top 4 out which puts them squarely as a bubble team.

Update: Crème updated the list, they’re still on the next 4 out. Kind of shocked Mississippi State is in the field after finishing 5-11 in SEC play. That UTA loss really must be looming large.
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I'm not attacking you, but that is just CRAZY to me that A&M is even in the conversation. But also crazy that Mississippi St. is with their 5-11 conference record.

I would really rather see any of Utah/Colorado/Arizona St./BYU in there than those 2 SEC schools. No I haven't looked at all the metrics, so maybe I'm way off, but that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

Or a few mid major conferences like the A-10 getting more than 1 bid, which they probably won't.
 
nwhoopfan said:
I'm not attacking you, but that is just CRAZY to me that A&M is even in the conversation. But also crazy that Mississippi St. is with their 5-11 conference record.

I would really rather see any of Utah/Colorado/Arizona St./BYU in there than those 2 SEC schools. No I haven't looked at all the metrics, so maybe I'm way off, but that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

Or a few mid major conferences like the A-10 getting more than 1 bid, which they probably won't.
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Strictly going by NET, yes, you are way of regarding Miss. State who is at #39.

Colorado: 46
Arizona State: 52
Utah: 55
BYU: 57
A&M: 61

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southie said:
Strictly going by NET, yes, you are way of regarding Miss. State who is at #39.

Colorado: 46
Arizona State: 52
Utah: 55
BYU: 57
A&M: 61

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And that brings me back to: I really don't trust NET. I think it's a flawed formula.
 
visitingcock said:
All part of the sec/espn conspiracy to sell more advertising during the sec tournament.

Will Texas and SCar lose their 1 seeds if they lose a game before the SEC championship?
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Possibly both, but not likely. There are some committees who are guilty of recency bias, and I think this is one of them. Some committees like to reward conference tourney champions more than regular season conference champions.

If Texas and South Carolina lose before the championship, and Vanderbilt beats Texas and let's say LSU, they could claim a 1-seed. If Michigan win the B1G conference tourney including a win over UCLA, the Wolverines could vault up. UCLA won't lose a 1-seed.
 
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southie said:
What matters in the end is if the committee trusts NET . . .
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When it suits them I think. They also can choose to ignore or downplay it.
 
What am I missing with the seeding for the tourney? Whole bunch of teams at 8-8. Kentucky is at 9, having lost to both Georgia #8 and Tennessee #6. But Kentucky beat Ole Miss who is #7? I thought the first tiebreak was the head to head record? But I'm guessing this was more complicated becuase all four of them were tied?
 
Gamecockfan77 said:
The NET is supposed to give them a tool for evaluating resume, not serve as a de facto seeding.
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I would say they are using NET much more than RPI. Their Top 16 seeds consisted of 15 teams in the NET Top 16, not in exact order, obviously. And, I am looking at current NET versus what the committee looked at as of February 28.
 
southie said:
I would say they are using NET much more than RPI. Their Top 16 seeds consisted of 15 teams in the NET Top 16, not in exact order, obviously. And, I am looking at current NET versus what the committee looked at as of February 28.
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Maybe the resume aspect supports that?

But if they are viewing it as a ranking that's not really what they're supposed to do.

Just to subject at hand...what has Mississippi State done to deserve a bid?

That's a lot of weight to put on one win vs injured Kentucky and a win against Tennessee, another team whose bubble status seems a little questionable.
 
How do you spell the Miss State coaches name? W-N-I-T 😂

Beat down by Florida which probably saved Kellie Rae Finlay's job although she does have a good class of recruits coming in next year. Why am I happy? Well this should clear a spot on the bubble for either Rhode Island or Richmond to make the NCAAT vs. the whole of the SEC conference. I am for "David" not "Goliath"...
 
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Stagnant said:
I think the SEC just lost a bid for the NCAA tournament. There is no way Miss State should be in
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This loss to Florida could hurt Miss. State. But, lots of other teams on the bubble will be losing this week. So, don't count out the Bulldogs yet. They have wins over Tennessee, Georgia and Kentucky; that will be more impressive than most other bubble teams.
 
adamspt2 said:
What am I missing with the seeding for the tourney? Whole bunch of teams at 8-8. Kentucky is at 9, having lost to both Georgia #8 and Tennessee #6. But Kentucky beat Ole Miss who is #7? I thought the first tiebreak was the head to head record? But I'm guessing this was more complicated becuase all four of them were tied?
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In an event that there's a 3 way tie or more, the best record amongst the tied teams are used. Tennessee had the best record going 2-1 against Georgia, Kentucky and Ole Miss.
 
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Stagnant said:
I think the SEC just lost a bid for the NCAA tournament. There is no way Miss State should be in
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They're out. They got blown out by a Florida team that's not going to make the field.

The eye test is a criterion that the committee uses in their selections. So is "competitive in losses". When you consider that Mississippi State is 3-12 in Q1/Q2 games and is currently on a five-game losing streak...
 
Again A&M missed out on 3-4 patsy NC wins that would likely have also helped Net, not to mention record.
 
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Stagnant said:
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So, Kentucky’s biggest tournament win came today against 16th seed Arkansas.

I guess Their Ryne Howard-led 2022 SEC championship game win over eventual national champion SCar falls to number 2 on their list.

Okay. Girl, are you eleven or twelve?
 
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Florida played a tight game against Oklahoma in the regular season. A possible upset watch for the second round of the SEC tournament?
 
WBBTakeover said:
That's exactly what they meant. It was pretty obvious.
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Not always. Biggest can be interpreted as most impactful/significant. The word has been used in that manner for important games. I can see how one could see it the other way.
 
cancontent said:
Not always. Biggest can be interpreted as most impactful/significant. The word has been used in that manner for important games. I can see how one could see it the other way.
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Context matters. And, based on the context, it was pretty obvious what the announcer meant.
 
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WBBTakeover said:
They're out. They got blown out by a Florida team that's not going to make the field.

The eye test is a criterion that the committee uses in their selections. So is "competitive in losses". When you consider that Mississippi State is 3-12 in Q1/Q2 games and is currently on a five-game losing streak...
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You could be right. But, you state "competitive losses" and are only using today's loss against Florida to make your point. I'm sure they have other losses where they weren't competitive (like at Texas recently), but you will find that to be the case for just about every bubble team. And, Florida actually has a NET of 50, so it's not like MSU lost to some team with a NET in the 100-200 range.

The committee will compare MSU's resume' to other bubble teams; the loss today won't be the only factor, although it could end up being detrimental.
 
southie said:
You could be right. But, you state "competitive losses" and are only using today's loss against Florida to make your point. I'm sure they have other losses where they weren't competitive (like at Texas recently), but you will find that to be the case for just about every bubble team. And, Florida actually has a NET of 50, so it's not like MSU lost to some team with a NET in the 100-200 range.

The committee will compare MSU's resume' to other bubble teams; the loss today won't be the only factor, although it could end up being detrimental.
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I don't think that most bubble teams have a 48-point loss, a 43-point loss, and a 50-point loss, let alone a near 20-point loss (and the game wasn't even this close) during the first round of a conference tournament to a team that isn't going to make the field. Mississippi State is unique in that regard.

Never said that Florida had a poor NET. I said that they aren't going to make the field. They're not even a bubble team.

The committee will compare Mississippi State's resume to other bubble teams. What the committee will find is that Mississippi State does not have much of a resume to speak of.

2-9 in Q1 games (3-12 Q1/Q2)
39 NET
3-7 in last 10 games (lost five straight)
18-13 (5-11 SEC)
0.10 WAB (not a typo)
308 nonconference SOS

That's why they're going to be left out.
 
WBBTakeover said:
I don't think that most bubble teams have a 48-point loss, a 43-point loss, and a 50-point loss, let alone a near 20-point loss (and the game wasn't even this close) during the first round of a conference tournament to a team that isn't going to make the field. Mississippi State is unique in that regard.

Never said that Florida had a poor NET. I said that they aren't going to make the field. They're not even a bubble team.

The committee will compare Mississippi State's resume to other bubble teams. What the committee will find is that Mississippi State does not have much of a resume to speak of.

2-9 in Q1 games (3-12 Q1/Q2)
39 NET
3-7 in last 10 games (lost five straight)
18-13 (5-11 SEC)
0.10 WAB (not a typo)
308 nonconference SOS

That's why they're going to be left out.
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You're kind of selective with your facts, and seem to leave out important data purposely. Those 40+ point losses were to Texas, South Carolina, and Oklahoma all on the road; two of those are Top 5 teams, and the other is a Top 12 team

What about their 9-point loss to Top 10 LSU ? As I mentioned, they have 3 wins against Kentucky, Georgia, and Tennessee (all Top 25 in NET) that will probably stack up very well against other bubble teams.

And, Miss. State had already lost once to Florida at home; so, this loss at a neutral site isn't some eye-opener as bracketologists like Creme already knew about that prior loss and it didn't stop him from including MSU in the field.

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