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Going to assume tj weist must be out of the running if he contacted a firm. Too bad i would love to see what three years of weist could have done for the program. I dont doubt he can coach but not sure about recruiting
 
He knows who wants, he just needs intermediaries to talk to the for him, because they are currently EMPLOYED.

If anything this is a good sign.

ruskin said:
IMO Warde should know who his top 5-10 candidates are by now. If he doesn't then UConn has hired the wrong man for the job. He shouldn't need to pay a middleman to come up with a list, reach out to gauge interest or get permission to talk from potential candidates' current employers. He also should be savvy enough to do this below the radar.

This is a job that will likely pay $2 million plus with the usual perks plus a plush office in a $50 million facility . That is the "door opener".

Hiring an outside agency to vet finalists is 100 percent reasonable. Hiring one to provide a list of names is not.
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Srqhusky said:
Going to assume tj weist must be out of the running if he contacted a firm. Too bad i would love to see what three years of weist could have done for the program. I dont doubt he can coach but not sure about recruiting
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You can't possibly be serious. Have you ever had a head coach that you don't care for?
 
ruskin said:
IMO Warde should know who his top 5-10 candidates are by now. If he doesn't then UConn has hired the wrong man for the job. He shouldn't need to pay a middleman to come up with a list, reach out to gauge interest or get permission to talk from potential candidates' current employers. He also should be savvy enough to do this below the radar.

This is a job that will likely pay $2 million plus with the usual perks plus a plush office in a $50 million facility . That is the "door opener".

Hiring an outside agency to vet finalists is 100 percent reasonable. Hiring one to provide a list of names is not.
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wm may have his top 5-10 list.
the point of using a firm is to validate that list and determine if that really is the best options. there is nothing wrong with seeking the insight of others and using that to make the best decision. its called leadership and thats what we pay wm for.
not making decisions in a vacuum.
 
Srqhusky said:
Going to assume tj weist must be out of the running if he contacted a firm. Too bad i would love to see what three years of weist could have done for the program. I dont doubt he can coach but not sure about recruiting
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Wow. This post is why we aren't allowed to have nice things.
 
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ZooCougar said:
He knows who wants, he just needs intermediaries to talk to the for him, because they are currently EMPLOYED.
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IMO you don't need a search firm to reach out to candidates who are under contract. Getting permission from the employer, certainly, although less-ethical ADs might consider skipping that step.

I was going to use the Fickell-FAU situation as an example but I just saw Urban Meyer wasn't really happy about it. In this instance don't see how a search firm would have made any difference in initiating the contact. Meyer would have been pissed either way.
 
ruskin said:
IMO you don't need a search firm to reach out to candidates who are under contract. Getting permission from the employer, certainly, although less-ethical ADs might consider skipping that step.

I was going to use the Fickell-FAU situation as an example but I just saw Urban Meyer wasn't really happy about it. In this instance don't see how a search firm would have made any difference in initiating the contact. Meyer would have been pissed either way.
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Search firms - it's how the world works and should be money well spent.

Warde was hired to be an executive and make tough decisions. Executives don't always have the skills or the time necessary to do every aspect that their department handles -- they just to put the right people in place in order to get the job done and have information at their disposal to make informed decisions. He most likely has a short list for the firm to pursue and vet. The firm will also be hearing from candidates that have interest in UConn that Warde may not think are tangible targets. It's incumbent upon Warde to have all the information to make the best decision of his and UConn's life.

Hiring a football coach at a top university is a special task and hiring a search firm is money well spent!
 
More pressing question is when does the new guy start? It better be less than 10 days after Memphis. None of this staying through the bowl game crapola.
 
ruskin said:
IMO you don't need a search firm to reach out to candidates who are under contract.[/B] Getting permission from the employer, certainly, although less-ethical ADs might consider skipping that step.

I was going to use the Fickell-FAU situation as an example but I just saw Urban Meyer wasn't really happy about it. In this instance don't see how a search firm would have made any difference in initiating the contact. Meyer would have been pissed either way.
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I disagree. BC fired Jags because he flirted with another job. Coaches under contract will not speak with you unless it has been made clear from their employer it is OK or if they are CERTAIN they are leaving one way or another . You use the search firm to reach out to their representatives .

Just as important in all of this, you use the search firm to determine if in fact a potential coach is interested. We all assume that any coach we offer will want to come here but, that may not be the case. The last thing UCONN can afford to do is be embarrassed publically by having a line of targets turn us down and have the public perceive that we settled for our 4yh or 5th choice
 
UConn Dan said:
Search firms - it's how the world works and should be money well spent.

Warde was hired to be an executive and make tough decisions. Executives don't always have the skills or the time necessary to do every aspect that their department handles -- they just to put the right people in place in order to get the job done and have information at their disposal to make informed decisions. He most likely has a short list for the firm to pursue and vet. The firm will also be hearing from candidates that have interest in UConn that Warde may not think are tangible targets. It's incumbent upon Warde to have all the information to make the best decision of his and UConn's life.

Hiring a football coach at a top university is a special task and hiring a search firm is money well spent!
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I guess I'm outnumbered here I guess but I think the "search firm" thing is a racket like more than half of the "consulting" world. And now that I'm seeing more of the spectacular search firm fails like Julie Herrmann (although you had an RU big wig who was pushing her to push a political agenda) Im even more skeptical. Hiring a firm to vet Warde's top 10, that is a necessary part of the operation.

Geez if as a group this board can come up with a list of who are plausible candidates (Lembo) and those who might be reaches (Mullen, Frost, Herman) how hard can it be to just come up with the names? It's paying someone to do that I have a problem with.
 
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bobbyinaz said:
The last thing UCONN can afford to do is be embarrassed publically by having a line of targets turn us down and have the public perceive that we settled for our 4yh or 5th choice
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Agreed, but at $475K a year Warde should be fully capable of pulling this off on his own under the radar.

No pun intended here -- Warde should have nothing else on his plate other than the football hire for the next seven weeks. There's enough staff at UConn to keep things running in the interim.
 
ruskin said:
And now that I'm seeing more of the spectacular search firm fails like Julie Herrmann (although you had an RU big wig who was pushing her to push a political agenda) .
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FWIW - Hermann wasn't even on PES' initial list. She was added by BOT Sweeney. Parker still found and notified RU of the two lawsuits (albeit they never interviewed student athletes) - Sweeney pushed it through the search committee and RU still hired her.

Schools are more @ risk by taking shortcuts and doing it themselves as you would like. When AD's like Jack Swarbrick, Tom Osborne and Joe Castiglione with boodles more connections and experience than WM use them - it sez something.

The hire is still the responsibility of the school in the end.
 
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ruskin said:
IMO you don't need a search firm to reach out to candidates who are under contract. Getting permission from the employer, certainly, although less-ethical ADs might consider skipping that step.

I was going to use the Fickell-FAU situation as an example but I just saw Urban Meyer wasn't really happy about it. In this instance don't see how a search firm would have made any difference in initiating the contact. Meyer would have been pissed either way.
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Well, someday when a major university hires you to be an AD, you can get a chance to do it your way. Until then you may want to consider that there is more going into this effort than you realize.
 
UConn Dit's s post: 746240 said:
Search firms - it's how the world works and should be money well spent.

Warde was hired to be an executive and make tough decisions. Executives don't always have the skills or the time necessary to do every aspect that their department handles -- they just to put the right people in place in order to get the job done and have information at their disposal to make informed decisions. He most likely has a short list for the firm to pursue and vet. The firm will also be hearing from candidates that have interest in UConn that Warde may not think are tangible targets. It's incumbent upon Warde to have all the information to make the best decision of his and UConn's life.

Hiring a football coach at a top university is a special task and hiring a search firm is money well spent!
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Well said and it's amazin that this isn't apparent to everyone on this board.
 
bobbyinaz said:
I disagree. BC fired Jags because he flirted with another job. Coaches under contract will not speak with you unless it has been made clear from their employer it is OK or if they are CERTAIN they are leaving one way or another . You use the search firm to reach out to their representatives .

Just as important in all of this, you use the search firm to determine if in fact a potential coach is interested. We all assume that any coach we offer will want to come here but, that may not be the case. The last thing UCONN can afford to do is be embarrassed publically by having a line of targets turn us down and have the public perceive that we settled for our 4yh or 5th choice
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BC fired Jags because he got caught flirting. One more reason to have agents and search firms working outside the normal channels.
 
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ruskin said:
Agreed, but at $475K a year Warde should be fully capable of pulling this off on his own under the radar.

No pun intended here -- Warde should have nothing else on his plate other than the football hire for the next seven weeks. There's enough staff at UConn to keep things running in the interim.
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So much ignorance written. To think the AD can delegate all of his other dut.ies to existing staff and start a hiring process using his existing staff is incredulous.
 
ZooCougar said:
What? You don't think Warde has time to personally quibble with agents and conduct thorough background checks? I though he just had make a list and google their names?
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He should know his top 10 candidates. I get he doesn't have the time to connect with the NSA and check every social media post or IP address potential candidates have made in the last 15 years.
 
Chin Diesel said:
So much ignorance written. To think the AD can delegate all of his other dut.ies to existing staff and start a hiring process using his existing staff is incredulous.
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You guys are making his job A LOT harder than what it is. It's not like he has to paint the ice at the Frietas and sell popcorn at Gampel, too. Take a look at the UConn athletic directory staff directory some time.

It's a short term 5-6 week project we're talking about here.
 
ZooCougar said:
Maybe he should just friend Lembo and Herman on Facebook. "Hey bro, do you want to coach at UConn?"
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Nah, do it your way and give Chuck Neinas or one his proteges 50-100K of UConn donor money to do it.
 
ruskin said:
You guys are making his job A LOT harder than what it is. It's not like he has to paint the ice at the Frietas and sell popcorn at Gampel, too. Take a look at the UConn athletic directory staff directory some time.

It's a short term 5-6 week project we're talking about here.
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Maybe you should just say "uncle" on this one dude...:D
 
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ZooCougar said:
Wow. This post is why we aren't allowed to have nice things.
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Most impressive thing weist has done so far is show up on the sidelines sleeveless. That made me question his smarts, but then it made me realize why he continues to trot McCombs out to field kicks.
 
ZooCougar said:
Maybe he should just friend Lembo and Herman on Facebook. "Hey bro, do you want to coach at UConn?"
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I was gonna use the social media quip in one of my posts. But I'm sure Warde uses LinkedIn, Monster or professional social media sites.
 
ruskin said:
He should know his top 10 candidates. I get he doesn't have the time to connect with the NSA and check every social media post or IP address potential candidates have made in the last 15 years.
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Nobody is arguing that. But almost everything Warde would do falls under FOI requests and some candidates don't want that paper trail. And as someone else pointed out the search firms may have some names that Warde doesn't know are interested.
You have a point that some of these services are borderline extortion. But they do a great job of finding a niche as middle men. Once they have enough success stories they become a standard hire.
But there isn't an athletic dept in the country that has the in-house talent and time to do this as well as the search firms.
PES has financial and time comparative advantages and that's how they sell themself.
 
ruskin said:
Nah, do it your way and give Chuck Neinas or one his proteges 50-100K of UConn donor money to do it.
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In the grand scheme of things, 50-100k, is not going to make or break UConn athletics. Why would you be so vehemently opposed to the standard practice in trying to get this right?
 
ruskin said:
He should know his top 10 candidates. I get he doesn't have the time to connect with the NSA and check every social media post or IP address potential candidates have made in the last 15 years.
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We get it. You think hiring a football coach doesn't require a search firm. (Which is insane.) Now will you please just stop.
 
huskymedic said:
Maybe you should just say "uncle" on this one dude...:D
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This search firm stuff is no different than Calipari being buddies with World Wide Wes. It's just dressed up in a fancy Brooks Brothers suit.

Just curious when did search firms become such an indispensable part of the hiring process? Did UConn use one to hire Calhoun or Auriemma? Did Ohio State use one to hire Meyer?
 
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